Animation Thread 2k24: AI Frustration Station

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Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

https://twitter.com/BayouBomber/status/1747645424666587611?t=0NgrgrOo4UMuXSyLQZGFrQ&s=19
I thought this series had come out already. Seemed too twee edgy for me, then again imagine if they tried to release Invader Zim in this day and age with Twitter and the internet peanut gallery and all that. Also lots of trad nerds getting offended at the religious imagery :byodood:

"THAT'S NOT HOW HEAVEN WORKS! THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF IT WORKS!"

# ¿ Jan 18, 2024 13:13

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 19:55

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

drat I didn't know the show was THAT bad?
https://twitter.com/CocoaFox023/status/1748440515488731646?t=0dEs3AkPxzeKR0R5W3ggmQ&s=19

# ¿ Jan 19, 2024 23:58

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Yeah but calling it porn is being really generous

# ¿ Jan 20, 2024 02:30

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

My younger daughter has been on a dinosaur kick and has gotten obsessed with the How to Train Your Dragon series. She's been watching the TV series lately and it's not bad. While not explicitly intended to be educational the recurring theme of the episodes is observing behaviors in dragons and trying to figure out why/how to correct it.

I hear they're gonna make a live action movie of it but from the info I've seen I'm not super impressed with the casting of Fishlegs and Snotlout.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2024 13:16

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

What is up with fanbases that seem to drive people to suicide? It seems more common with some shows than with others. Like were people harassing each other into committing suicide over their unpopular opinions about Bugs Bunny fifty years ago?
https://twitter.com/Fenrirtheicewo1/status/1757051734520627406?t=DQed5CGB1Ea0TqYDUhI9fA&s=19

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 02:55

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Hihohe posted:

Spiritually rotten? Lol. gently caress off.

Im honestly tired of this general tendency to be like "The fanbase is bad" using it like a cudgel to talk poo poo about shows and such.
Its such a nothing criticism. Its like complaining about the weather while watching something.

Honestly this is more a fault of the internet to me.
Never have we been able to stalk, bully, and harrass so efficiently.
and honestly poo poo heads always use these tradegies to talk poo poo about and harrass nuerodivergent people.

Sure, but why some shows and genres and not others? I was active in the transformers Fandom back in the late nineties and don't remember people getting bullied into killing themselves because they disagreed about Starscream and Megatron's relationship. There's lots of animated Fandoms full of terminally online nerds that are not doing stuff like this.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 03:31

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

mycot posted:

1) You were blessed if you did not see ship wars over Starscream/Megatron or petty rivalries between different fancreators on forums or early fandom sites like DeviantArt or Livejournal
2) Trolling always existed of course but it didn't really get codified into an entire harassment�industrial complex until fairly recently, being an edgelord on the internet is basically a lot of people's primary hobby these days. It's not really about the show or the content at that point, the "discourse" IS their main activity.

Oh it was always heated, sure. But never "Barry says he got a package of deception logo cookies full of sewing needles inside them in the mail today" or "Gina drew Elita -1 too Caucasian looking and other people in the community kept messaging her telling her to kill herself" level of extreme I hear from these other shows.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 04:01

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The trick is there's a very big difference between 'the discourse' and people actually talking about the show. The latter are usually actually enjoying themselves, and talking about actual things, like the character dynamics, the implicit worldbuilding and foreshadowing, the silly visual running gags and what their favourite songs are. The Discourse tends to be people talking about fans and how dare they talk about things, with the actual media itself being almost peripheral beyond judging whether the show presents the correct moral values based on reading its Wikipedia article, and in general on the level of the guy who went after the poster with the username of the villain from Revolutionary Girl Utena.

I'm curious as to why it tends to happen to particular genres over others. Are there just some Fandoms that attract people prone to getting overly invested in these things to the point of giving people death threats or hoping they unalive themselves? Why do the stakes get so high for a work of animated fiction?

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 13:04

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It doesn't, it's just what gets the lurid focus because lol weird stupid nerds and/or queers.

Counterpoint: Sports.

So there's just as many Simpsons fans getting bullied into committing suicide as other cartoons? And people just ignore it/cover it up because it doesn't play into the narrative they are trying to push?

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 16:55

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

DoctorWhat posted:

Antisocial and homicidal fandom behavior is a product of demographics that are alienated from control over their lives and environments. When you still live in your mom's house for whatever reason you have very little control over your actual life compared to the boomers who still post about season 6 of The Simpsons. When people like this have an opportunity to make an impact they often don't care what form that impact takes. As long as they feel powerful and influential they will find moral justifications for any act that gives them power and influence.

Some of this alienation is due to straight up age. Teenagers have no positive control over their own environments but tremendous ability to wreak havoc on other people. As wealth stratification across class and generational lines becomes more stark, The upper age boundary on this disenfranchised demographic rises continuously well into the twenties.

As discussed above, neurodivergence plays a major part also. These factors are not independent. Hyperfixation, rigid moral structures, and social dysfunction all contribute to antisocial behavior within fandom, and some fandoms are going to attract more intense hyperfixation than others for a variety of aesthetic and subject-matter reasons.

Some say that children's media is particularly prone also, because it is seen as morally instructive and poor moral instruction is there for a threat to children. I think there is the degree to which this is true, but I think this is diffused by the fact that, increasingly, all media is for children. The young adult demographic ranges from age 11 to age 40 now, especially if the media in question features any sort of fantastical or science fictional elements.

I wonder if the Geek social fallacies play into this. If you always feel like a misfit rejected for arbitrary things, it's going to be hard to enforce boundaries that might make you look like the bad guy. So people that make others unsafe don't really get dealt with early on. I know aspects of furry fandoms had this problem. It wasn't that furries themselves were necessarily sex predators it's just that a lot of fans had a hard time dealing with people like that in their community. It seems like the more niche the Fandom the worse this tends to be because it's progressively more isolated from mainstream IPs.

Another competing theory I've heard is that some groups are actually far more quick to call out problematic behavior which draws more attention and association as a result. This can make a community appear to have a lot of social problems when the opposite in fact is true.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2024 18:48

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

The_Doctor posted:

It�s a shame they reveal at the end there�s voice actors, because I honestly would happily watch that without hearing a voice at all.

Wiley E Coyote I recall had a rather posh voice in at least one of the old episodes, when he's describing different roadrunner recipes.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2024 03:44

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 19:55

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1785701127024992479?t=isc4oG3Rcie8bJ_DyxvCyQ&s=19

# ¿ May 2, 2024 03:01

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