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Since I have all the weapons and strategems unlocked, I've been playing around with different things. I've discovered that I like automatic weapons more - more bullets = better - even if it technically isn't as powerful as another choice. I also like big-bada-booms, like airstrikes and 500kg bombs. And charging up the quasar cannon to explode the face of a Charger just feels good. So just pick the loadout you enjoy, it's not that serious. At least 2 of the other players are probably playing with the current OP or preferred loadout so you most likely don't have to worry about that aspect of it anyway.
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Man the eruptor is so good; just fire a volley into a crowd and walk away while reloading before you resight and dominate more of them.
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Arglebargle III posted:Explain to me how people are recommending the eruptor as a primary when its DPS is so low. You spend so much time cycling the action and reloading. it has a big rear end AoE that can splash groups of targets, it does explosive damage which means the damage isn't greatly reduced against spewer abdomens, it has good armor pen for a primary, you can sprint away while cycling the action, and switching weapons lets you skip cycling the action altogether.
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Arglebargle III posted:Explain to me how people are recommending the eruptor as a primary when its DPS is so low. You spend so much time cycling the action and reloading. For another, the explosion has significant AOE and the shrapnel hits even further, though there's some luck to that. Against tightly-packed patrols or enemies in dropships and bursts you can get 10x or more with one shot. Is it the best weapon in every circumstance? No, but it has a lot of utility in any kit that's not taking AC or GL.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Since I have all the weapons and strategems unlocked, I've been playing around with different things. I've discovered that I like automatic weapons more - more bullets = better - even if it technically isn't as powerful as another choice. I also like big-bada-booms, like airstrikes and 500kg bombs. And charging up the quasar cannon to explode the face of a Charger just feels good.  I'm in the same boat and pretty much every gun in this game is good enough to beat Difficulty 9s with if you put in the time to figure out how to maximize its advantages. I find the really popular ones like AC and Eruptor pretty boring compared to other options but I never really like using meta builds in games I use the fire breaker against bots and it owns hard there  You can shoot the bottom of a dropship and it lights everything on fire, and then they're almost dead by the time they hit the ground
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Arglebargle III posted:Explain to me how people are recommending the eruptor as a primary when its DPS is so low. You spend so much time cycling the action and reloading. my experience has been strictly with bugs, I run it with a stalwart, the smg pistol and thermite grenades: it;s great at 7-9 because you're practically always running and you can shoot and scoot without dropping a volley unless flanked, its effective against bile spewers and nursing spewers whenever they show up, they can close bug holes. I think you have to understand it's very powerful per shot, plus it has shrapnel so even if it doesn't kill your intended target the collateral damage is great. I really recommend an mg for your special and then your stratagems are anti-heavies. Whats everyone's use cases for thermite? they don't strip armor like I thought they would on a charger. For example; I thought if i stuck one on the leg it would strip it and shred it like an disposable anti-tank but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Bile Titan / Bile Spewer seed is wild, artillery from everywhere https://i.imgur.com/GuJuL0E.mp4 deep dish peat moss posted:
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Risky Bisquick posted:Use the Scythe on bugs, you wont Scythe on bugs is probably my favorite loadout in the entire game and I maintain that it's insanely good and people are just crazy. This is from a difficulty 8 
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deep dish peat moss posted:Scythe on bugs is probably my favorite loadout in the entire game and I maintain that it's insanely good and people are just crazy. This is from a difficulty 8  , with a laser dog or sentry right?
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IIRC that was scythe and laser dog with no support weapon or sentries It was a spawn pool that was mostly small bugs and nursing spewers though. And I sat there defending the pelican for like 10 full minutes while my team ran across the map for dropped samples. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Wanna know what was the one thing you actually hit with a gun - I guess scythe doesn't track hits like the arc thrower? Also had some weird spawns today on Bugs, played some 7s that felt like 4s - barely any charger or titan spawns. Did winning the major order have a stealth nerf to enemies or something?
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I think the 15 shots and 1 hit were a single redeemer spray before I decided to just use the scythe instead Sometimes you just get bug spawns that are all smalls/mediums. They can be pretty tough if everyone is rocking anti-heavy weapons, and against bugs people always rock anti-heavy weapons so I always build to just slaughter the lighter ones, maybe adding in a quasar for chargers and shrieker nests. My other favorite bug loadout is breaker incendiary, supply pack, orbital laser, orbital rail, and 500kg. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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WarpedLichen posted:Wanna know what was the one thing you actually hit with a gun - I guess scythe doesn't track hits like the arc thrower? You get different seeds when you start the mission, you might've gotten all mediums or something like that. Things like that is why you can also get 4x stalker nests and heavy on the warriors. I had a game earlier where I was fleeing a stupid alarm at a poi people insisted on fighting which was literally all warriors and bile titans, I fled into a poi with warriors to my front, and when I tried to go left and right it was also full on 15-20 warrior patrols. So anyways I started blasting, made it out, game is lit sometimes 
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Warriors are probably the most fun enemy to kill. Big and chunky but not armored
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Arglebargle III posted:Explain to me how people are recommending the eruptor as a primary when its DPS is so low. You spend so much time cycling the action and reloading. because one shot can kill a group of like 5-6 and even stuff like striders you dont really have to aim
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Amazing Member posted:Whats everyone's use cases for thermite? Considering they require precision throws and a significant amount of time to deal full damage the fact it takes 2 to kill medium targets like brood commanders and devastators and 3+ to kill heavy targets is ridiculous. Sindai fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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All the beam guns seem to have the laser cannon's deal where they kinda suck at raw dps but have a fairly crazy hidden weak spot multiplier.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Since I have all the weapons and strategems unlocked, I've been playing around with different things. I've discovered that I like automatic weapons more - more bullets = better - even if it technically isn't as powerful as another choice. I also like big-bada-booms, like airstrikes and 500kg bombs. And charging up the quasar cannon to explode the face of a Charger just feels good. Sometimes I pick a joke loadout like 120, 380, walking barrage and airburst them I do insanely well with it. Meta hunting drains fun for most people. Squad balance is important but that's not the same thing as meta.
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Air burst feels like it flies under the radar a bit but it’s insane how good it is against bugs. It will absolutely shred a breach and it pretty sure there is some interaction with bile titans where id it gets them mid-spawn or in a spot with high enough terrain for it to burst in its thorax they will get deleted. It’s not useful for killing them once they’re chasing you around but I pretty regularly see one coming out of a breach that’s getting hit with the strike and it will just fall over before it finishes its spawning animation.
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Gorelab posted:All the beam guns seem to have the laser cannon's deal where they kinda suck at raw dps but have a fairly crazy hidden weak spot multiplier. That, and I think something that can't be discounted with the Scythe is just how much uptime it has in extended fights. It spools up so fast that you don't need to hold it down when moving between targets, you can point at a target and then click - or once you get used to it and get the rhythm down with your timing, click just early enough that it spools up right when it reaches the target. It moves between targets a lot faster than the Sickle does doing the same thing, and while the sickle will have much more immediate burst you can't keep this up for as long as you can with the Scythe. With occasional swapping to a sidearm (dagger  ) you can have near-100% firing uptime without overheating. And with that weakspot bonus it does things like slice the legs off hunters/pouncers fast enough to easily keep up with swarms of them. Since it's very precise with no recoil it's easy to kill hive guards by shooting their legs off in their shield gaps. It cuts shriekers right out of the air and does pretty well against nursing spewer heads. It pops warrior heads or cuts off brood commander legs pretty fast given how long you can keep firingPretty much any other weapon will do those things faster but isn't able to keep up a near-100% uptime for as long as the Scythe can, even the sickle will need to spend time cooling down. So I think it gets a lot of flack for not being able to deal with individual threats as fast as other weapons, but once you learn how to use it, it deals with them pretty fast and just never stops doing it. I'm being facetious when calling it insanely good, but it's a fun and surprisingly competitive option if you get a feel for it. It only really suffers from not having penetration, and against bugs that's only a huge problem if you get bile spewers. Now pair it with the laser cannon and you can fire continuous beams until they're about to overheat and swap between them so you have 100% laserbeam uptime almost indefinitely. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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I take airburst all the time these days. Two minutes is a short cooldown for something that'll delete all medium and small enemies in a pretty wide area.
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deep dish peat moss posted:That, and I think something that can't be discounted with the Scythe is just how much uptime it has in extended fights. It spools up so fast that you don't need to hold it down when moving between targets, you can point at a target and then click - or once you get used to it and get the rhythm down with your timing, click just early enough that it spools up right when it reaches the target. It moves between targets a lot faster than the Sickle does doing the same thing, and while the sickle will have much more immediate burst you can't keep this up for as long as you can with the Scythe. With occasional swapping to a sidearm (dagger I’m gonna try this. The meta guns all do better when shooting those weakpoints too but it’d be fun to go all laser. Scythe, Dagger, Rover Guard Dog, Laser Cannon, Orbital Laser. What would last stratagem be? Orbital Railcannon Strike is kinda like a laser. Can Laser Cannon kill Bile Titans?
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LazyMaybe posted:raw DPS in a vacuum independent of context is often a pretty poor metric to gauge weapons with. I want to see gameplay of someone doing well with it on helldive. There is something I am missing about people’s eruptor love. The problem I run into is actually getting that AoE to kill enough enemies with each shot that I don’t end up overwhelmed. There are lots of terrain situations that are disadvantageous to explosive weapons and AoE. Enemies higher than you, enemies that spread out (hunters have to be a huge problem), enemies that have formed a conga line so you only get like 2 per shot. Those problems don’t seem solvable by constantly repositioning during the bolt animation. My assessment was that it doesn’t kill fast enough to reliably prevent bug breech loops. And that’s not to mention some of the other issues like ricochets when trying to shoot at the ground next to an enemy, shrapnel rng causing it to do little damage, and the wobbly sight. I took it on a medium mission with a jump pack for high ground and fought the bugs at extract to give it a real softball. It felt like way more work and higher TTK than breaker incendiary or sickle.
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Dren posted:I’m gonna try this. The meta guns all do better when shooting those weakpoints too but it’d be fun to go all laser. Scythe, Dagger, Rover Guard Dog, Laser Cannon, Orbital Laser. What would last stratagem be? Orbital Railcannon Strike is kinda like a laser. Can Laser Cannon kill Bile Titans? The laser cannon cannot kill bile titans  It's okay against chargers shooting them in the rear end - you can kill them after sidestepping 2-3 charges, which isn't great but it works.Railcannon stikes + 500kgs are my answer to BTs on an all-lasers build. But mostly letting my team handle them whenever possible. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Dren posted:I want to see gameplay of someone doing well with it on helldive. There is something I am missing about people’s eruptor love. The problem I run into is actually getting that AoE to kill enough enemies with each shot that I don’t end up overwhelmed. There are lots of terrain situations that are disadvantageous to explosive weapons and AoE. Enemies higher than you, enemies that spread out (hunters have to be a huge problem), enemies that have formed a conga line so you only get like 2 per shot. Those problems don’t seem solvable by constantly repositioning during the bolt animation. My assessment was that it doesn’t kill fast enough to reliably prevent bug breech loops. Pair it with laser dog, pull out redeemer for close stuff, done
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I had a tower defense level 7 on Estanu where nothing more threatening than a Nursery Spewer spawned. no wonder people never leave this front.
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Can you imagine a game in which raw dps would be a less useful metric.
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I think the Sickle and the Autocannon should be the benchmark for balancing everything else. They’re both incredibly fun and feel strong, but their drawbacks or limitations make them less of a zero thought choice. If everything gets put on that same level then I don’t know if I’d ever stop playing.
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Cheap Shot posted:I think the Sickle and the Autocannon should be the benchmark for balancing everything else. They’re both incredibly fun and feel strong, but their drawbacks or limitations make them less of a zero thought choice. If everything gets put on that same level then I don’t know if I’d ever stop playing. the sickle is absolutely getting nerfed, it is too good of a generalist with no glaring weaknesses
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Sickle is pretty clearly the only S-tier automatic but the Dominator, Scorcher, Eruptor, and Breaker Incendiary are up there with it for various reasons. If it gets a nerf it should be small and alongside large buffs for the assault rifles and DMRs.
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The Sickle needs a reduction in ICE to make you actually give a poo poo about the cooldown mechanic, and make overheating it a tradeoff / drawback like the Laser Cannon; instead of just treating it like a Liberator+. It's a cool gun, and feels good - it's just got too much uptime and efficiency advantages over basically every other light pen gun. Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Infidelicious posted:The Sickle needs a reduction in ICE to make you actually give a poo poo about the cooldown mechanic, and make overheating it a tradeoff / drawback like the Laser Cannon; instead of just treating it like a Liberator+. yeah I think they could halve the number of reloads you get and I wouldn't even notice
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Schwawa posted:yeah I think they could halve the number of reloads you get and I wouldn't even notice Honestly if I were AH I would Swap all the regenerating ammo guns to the same 1/1 setup as the laser cannon to further differentiate them from mag based guns. Swap the Sickle and Scythe's Optics. Give the Scythe Ramping damage with heat build up - current at 0% 2x at 75% 3x at 90% so it has some mechanics to engage with other than aiming at heads like every gun. Give the Dagger the same 300 DPS as the current Scythe but rapid damage falloff that starts at 10m.
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Hazdoc posted:i think they should make a gun that shoots smaller guns hellpods are fired from the super destroyer and contain guns and things that fire guns like sentries and helldivers
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I mean it’s got that spin-up before it starts firing. It’s small but it means you cant snap-shoot. Something suddenly in your face or bots /bugs calling for reinforcements can be a problem. Once it does spin up though it never stops killing trash. The up time is incredible. I agree it doesn’t need as many reloads as it has. They could cut it down to one or two and I’d still feel good about it.
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https://twitter.com/helldivers2/status/1783831163317989858
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Lololol that will make reddit explode
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