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Umbreon
May 21, 2011

Shockeh posted:

I feel the need to call out, based on some of these posts, that 'Hold Back' on wakeup is not get up and block. It's roll back, and you can get blown up for it.

The safest of the options is Tech Roll if allowed (press 1 as you hit the ground) or just press Up then Back to stand & block.


Can confirm, pressing up to rise instantly puts you in blocking state and this has saved my rear end today repeatedly.

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Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician
there are 2 stages of being knocked down, landing (where among other inputs, holding back will make you instantly roll backwards) and wakeup, where you are fully laying down and have different options, including holding back to go right into a standing block. nobody is lying to you in the something awful tekken 8 thread

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

They've done really well with the replay system and things like punish training, but I feel like more in-game explanation of this stuff would be good.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Any other PS5ers doing the "Chipotle Challenger Series" lol?

My first attempt I immediately got bounced by a Fujin after advancing past the first round due to a DQ.

Won the pod of 8 (it's a single elim event lol) the second time around with a much softer bracket

Edit:
https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS/status/1780310196402667877

CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Apr 18, 2024

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

Fun Shoe
I will not be participating as I live in Qdoba country

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

WhatEvil posted:

Dunno if this is the right place to ask, but I recently got an 8bitdo arcade stick controller, since using a Switch Pro style controller was murdering my hands - I was literally in pain all the time.

It's good... but I've gone down 2-3 ranks since getting it - from Mighty Ruler to around the top of Garyu. The main thing seems to be that I'm finding it difficult to reliably hit the inputs on the stick - particularly like, fast fw - fw - fw inputs and stuff like that because it takes a lot of getting used to. You have to push the stick just the right amount forward to engage the switch, let it rebound just the right amount to disengage the switch, hit it just the right amount and release just the right amount.... If you push the stick too far to make the input then it affects the rebound time and if you don't release enough then the switch doesn't disengage. If you wait for the stick to return to centre fully before each input then your inputs become quite slow a lot of the time.

I'm wondering if I should try to replace or mod the stick with one that has a smaller deadzone and/or a faster rebound (stronger spring) etc.

For anybody not familiar with fightsticks, changing out sticks and modding them (e.g. changing the spring) is apparently super common - so I guess that's some kind of proof that there are improvements to be made.

Anybody got any experience with this? I've played maybe 15 hours or something since getting the stick, and I *have* improved somewhat but I feel a bit like I'm hitting a wall with it, and I'm not sure if I just fundamentally suck with a stick or if making hardware changes might make a dramatic difference.

It's probably going to take way longer than 15 hours before you're good on stick. While it's really intuitive and fun to use, it's also honestly way harder when it comes to making very fast and precise inputs.

If you're enjoying it, I'd just keep playing and see if you improve. If you want to tweak it a bit, I'd look up if you can mod the stick with a replacement spring and actuator, which you can probably buy very cheaply off AliExpress. Or you could try giving the spring a stretch, and wind some electrical tape around the base of the stock actuator.

Bruegels Fuckbooks
Sep 14, 2004

Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Any other PS5ers doing the "Chipotle Challenger Series" lol?

My first attempt I immediately got bounced by a Fujin after advancing past the first round due to a DQ.

Won the pod of 8 (it's a single elim event lol) the second time around with a much softer bracket

Edit:
https://twitter.com/BandaiNamcoUS/status/1780310196402667877

I qualified yesterday first tournament i played - I had to beat a fujin king in the finals but the tekken 8 casino favored me. I look forward to my chips and guac and free entree.

Char
Jan 5, 2013

Nice Van My Man posted:

Oh god d2 3 and junkyard. Every Law player throws out junkyard just to check if you're one of the people traumatised enough to have the low parry built into muscle memory.

I also just expect a ki charge by Law. If I don't get a ki charge it's like, what? I'm not good enough to get ki charged? It's reverse manners logic.

I don't really get his charm, Bruce Lee aesthetics aside, he's a poke/pressure character with delayed strings.
Needs a rushdown mindset but feels anti-rushdown, to me at least.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Sadly Chipotle is allergic to engaging with the PC playerbase of fighting games.

Nice Van My Man
Jan 1, 2008

I didn't know Chipotle had such an anti PC stance. I'm certainly never eating there again. Also because there aren't any locations in Canada remotely near me.

Bruegels Fuckbooks
Sep 14, 2004

Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

Tortolia posted:

Sadly Chipotle is allergic to engaging with the PC playerbase of fighting games.

The chipotle tourney is using the PS5 tournaments feature built into psn. Instead of having to use some bullshit 3rd party site like start.gg, you actually get a notification that the match is starting, who you're matched up with, etc. It is actually super nice and easy.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:

The chipotle tourney is using the PS5 tournaments feature built into psn. Instead of having to use some bullshit 3rd party site like start.gg, you actually get a notification that the match is starting, who you're matched up with, etc. It is actually super nice and easy.

Nah, that's fair and a cool thing. I'm more annoyed they're doing another "buy food from us, get Fake Fighting Game Currency" promo like they did with SF6 but it's console-only again.

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



WhatEvil posted:

stick post

If you have a regular Sanwa JLF get a 2lb spring, it's over twice as heavy as the stock 0.8lb and it will reset to neutral much faster when you let go. Also if you are trying to barely press forward until the actuator hits the switches and then go back to neutral my advice is Don't. On paper it's better but if you watch literally any tournament you'll hear the stick players smacking the collar from pushing the lever all the way in a direction, you'll drive yourself crazy trying to stay at the point of actuation just smack that poo poo around it can handle it and the 2lb spring will bounce it back to neutral quickly with no reverse action (unless it's a Hori Hayabusa lever, those have bounceback problems)

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Nazzadan posted:

If you have a regular Sanwa JLF get a 2lb spring, it's over twice as heavy as the stock 0.8lb and it will reset to neutral much faster when you let go. Also if you are trying to barely press forward until the actuator hits the switches and then go back to neutral my advice is Don't. On paper it's better but if you watch literally any tournament you'll hear the stick players smacking the collar from pushing the lever all the way in a direction, you'll drive yourself crazy trying to stay at the point of actuation just smack that poo poo around it can handle it and the 2lb spring will bounce it back to neutral quickly with no reverse action (unless it's a Hori Hayabusa lever, those have bounceback problems)

Yeah it's an 8bitdo controller and supposedly the stick inside is a JLF knockoff so I guess it's possible I can use a JLF spring.

OxMan
May 13, 2006

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Any tips for a stiffer stick (wink wink) for a qanba drone (older black and yellow one)?

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



OxMan posted:

Any tips for a stiffer stick (wink wink) for a qanba drone (older black and yellow one)?

The original Drone has a VERY small space to work with, a Sanwa JLF 100% works so you can grab a JLF with a 2lb spring upgrade and you'll be good to go. The other japanese lever types are too big to fit but the JLF has a very thin profile and squeezes in nicely.

As far as Korean levers go YMMV, most of them are on the thinner side like a JLF but I can't promise they'll fit but if you had to pull the trigger on one just to test it I'd do the Crown 309 MJ NewHelpMe, specifically the New one as that is the version that is compatible with the stock lever hole size in the Drone and wouldn't need to be drilled out to 35mm to fit the collar. I've seen people install these in Drone 1s but I've heard they've had to cut into the plastic jutting all over the place inside to make room for the 5 pin adapter onto the microswitches

Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord
I finally decided to dip into online matches after all this time and maybe it's because I'm an absolute newbie but it's so fun. It's chaotic and volatile as poo poo in a good way.

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


I want to hop online just to mop up the few trophies I’m missing for Platinum but I’m also restricted to wifi and people get a huge stick up their rear end about that so it’s kind of been deterring me from doing it. I know I shouldn’t care at all and I have stuff like voice chat and messages from strangers disabled but I hate knowing that I’m being frowned at for daring to play online by whoever

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

man nurse posted:

I want to hop online just to mop up the few trophies I’m missing for Platinum but I’m also restricted to wifi and people get a huge stick up their rear end about that so it’s kind of been deterring me from doing it. I know I shouldn’t care at all and I have stuff like voice chat and messages from strangers disabled but I hate knowing that I’m being frowned at for daring to play online by whoever

there are lots of other wifi players, what's the problem?

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



I don't think there's even voice chat and people who don't like wifi players just reject the games, it shouldn't be a problem lol

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
I'll play against anybody no matter their lovely connection (although I might not rematch)

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I won't ever play wifi players for the same reason I won't touch a hot stove. It wasn't a pleasant experience, so I shall not be repeating it.

There's still plenty of other wifi players in matchmaking though, so you shouldn't have much problem finding a game

Pockyless
Jun 6, 2004
With flaming Canadians and such :(
Id say about 50% of my matchmaking results are wifi. I never accept the matches but there are a ton of players

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


This is what I mean. I feel actively discouraged from playing because of it. Like I’m an rear end in a top hat for playing video games without a wired connection so people will either a) not match with me or b) match with me and then complain about it.

I personally feel it’s kinda silly to be so picky about it given that it’s a video game and use of Wi-Fi on consoles is super common. Obviously it’s your own prerogative to decline matches based on it, but this is the kind of thing that gives me anxiety about using stuff like the lounge or joining player sessions.

It’s a shame because I really like playing fighting games but I feel the larger community is kinda hostile, so I will usually only do it with friends.

I do want that platinum trophy though.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Just do it and don't care. Honestly I would say that OVER 50% of the matchups I get are wifi. I reject them 'cause about 30-50% of wifi connections are dogshit for this game and stutter constantly... but I would bet that wifi players match other wifi players.

I certainly don't begrudge wifi players for playing the game.

I do sometimes match them if I'm having trouble getting a wired game and it's still better than nothing - I'd prefer more people playing than not.

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012

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man nurse posted:


I personally feel it’s kinda silly to be so picky about it given that it’s a video game and use of Wi-Fi on consoles is super common. Obviously it’s your own prerogative to decline matches based on it, but this is the kind of thing that gives me anxiety about using stuff like the lounge or joining player sessions.


It's not silly. Wifi sucks for fighting games. Either don't care about what people think (they see your connection pre match so why would you?) Or buy a dirt cheap cable off Amazon and run it to your machine. Both solutions are very simple

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


Seltzer posted:

It's not silly. Wifi sucks for fighting games. Either don't care about what people think (they see your connection pre match so why would you?) Or buy a dirt cheap cable off Amazon and run it to your machine. Both solutions are very simple

I’d absolutely do the latter except that’s not feasible in my current living space, which I share with other people. Wiring from the room the internet comes from into mine would stick out like a sore thumb. I’m not doing that just for a handful of fighting games that I play on occasion.

Like I’m not doing it out of ignorance or stubbornness, I just literally have to utilize wifi. Me and my friends across the globe never have issues playing like this, but it means dick all to random strangers who see the Wi-Fi symbol.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011


why do you care what people who aren't going to accept the match anyways think

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
The bigger query is why they won't let us filter by it, but I expect it's because they've tested that and it just created two entirely separate pools of players...

Shockeh fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 21, 2024

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


Basticle posted:

why do you care what people who aren't going to accept the match anyways think

Some of the trophies require using the battle lounge or doing a room. Both of these features have chat. I don’t want to have to deal with someone getting salty over it.

Never mind, this has just reinforced my opinion that I should only play these types of games with friends only. Fighting game enthusiasts love to harp on about welcoming fresh blood, but I get the exact opposite impression.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
There’s no way of knowing why a matchup was rejected. It could be the connection symbol, it could be that the connection wasn’t five bars, it could be your opponent was AFK when the match popped. It does no good to sit there dwelling on why someone didn’t hit confirm when they were given the option.

There is a stigma against Wi-Fi players. They get matches all the drat time anyway.

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
fighting games love fresh blood but you gotta understand fighting games on wifi is pretty fuckin dire. it's inconsistent, drops a lot, and if you've ever dropped a game winning combo cuz the other guy's router decides it's time to take a nap then you'd understand it sucks to play like that

you wouldn't want to share any other hobby with someone who's just going to make it a gigantic pain in the rear end to play with, why would fighting games be any different?

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


I feel like this is the only genre where people get elitist over whether you’re using a wire or not. If you’re gonna play people across the world, it’s stupid to expect more than half of them to be plugging their machine directly into a wired connection, especially if it’s a popular game on consoles, which is most major fighters. Wi-Fi is an extremely common setup, and more often than not these days it’s completely usable. This isn’t the mid 2000s. But go off I guess, that trauma seems like it runs deep for people.

Enjoy your video games folks. They’re not that serious.

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

man nurse posted:

I feel like this is the only genre where people get elitist over whether you’re using a wire or not. If you’re gonna play people across the world, it’s stupid to expect more than half of them to be plugging their machine directly into a wired connection, especially if it’s a popular game on consoles, which is most major fighters. Wi-Fi is an extremely common setup, and more often than not these days it’s completely usable. This isn’t the mid 2000s. But go off I guess, that trauma seems like it runs deep for people.

Enjoy your video games folks. They’re not that serious.

This... sounds like an emotional problem for you. good luck with that and maybe take your own advice?

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
I'm too anxious to play online because someone might hypothetically make fun of me for being on wifi. This is a big problem for me because I want the platinum trophy. Anyway you guys take video games too seriously

Umbreon
May 21, 2011
Is that what I sounded like when I came in this thread? I am so sorry

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Umbreon posted:

Is that what I sounded like when I came in this thread? I am so sorry

How’s King treating you?

Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
Fun thing... I was messing with Asuka and happened to notice she shares WS1+2 with Jun. That move, uh.... goes a long loving way. (I can't work out how to embed video any more)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdF_qrbu78

Shockeh fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Apr 21, 2024

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

Tortolia posted:

How’s King treating you?


I'm at a point where learning even a simple low damage combo would help, I just need to find something that can go off of a fast poke. I've gotten much better at blocking pressure, I still get hit all the time but often it's stuff that can't lead into a combo because it was too fast and too far away. I just need something that I can fight back with now.

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spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
If you want to try a wired connection but ethernet access isn't viable, powerline or moca adapters might do the trick

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