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PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Circa 2017, there was the beginning of effort to schedule kratom as a controlled substance and DEA was taking administrative actions. Some Representatives/Senators got involved on kratom's behalf and DEA backed down.

The above is half remembered because I haven't had to care about kratom since about 2017, but I can track down sources/get names/confirm the accuracy of the above if it matters for anyone's purposes.

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PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Only thing to add onto Discendo's post, when DEA last looked to take action on kratom, industry lobbying was able to whip up a notable amount of support in Congress to push back. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/09/Final-DEA-Kratom-Letter-9.26.2016.pdf

If you're already pressed for resources, taking up the cause that will get members of congress crawling up your rear end is going to look less important than other projects, everything else being equal.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
"Know how it's a big concern that both of the main party candidates are really old? How do we tap in to that?"

"No idea, but take a look at my ad concept that looks 70 years out of date!"

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Don't even need to offer the math education, just go back to good old American "how business works." These companies don't survive unless they bring in more money than they spend. Since they get to set the bets and the odds, they're only going to offer bets where they've worked out that the house is going to win. Add in how the sportsbooks use loopholes to cancel bets, so even if they would lose, they still win (See here)

Of course, general education in this pattern may call into question our model of private health insurance . . .

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I think people generally know that casinos exist to make money.

The whole appeal of gambling is the fantasy of beating the odds or getting incredibly lucky while risking something.

I don't know if there is any data out there that nails down exact specifics, but I would bet that the vast majority of people doing online sports betting aren't actually literal gambling addicts who are doing it compulsively. People understand that the casino makes money, but they think it is worth the cost for the risk or that they can beat the odds.

Even if they have delusions about how skilled they are, I think they all fundamentally understand that the casino has to take in more money overall than it gives out to stay in business.

Ultimately I agree with this, and what other posters have put up- I doubt the vast majority of gamblers are doing it because they think it's a money-positive activity for them.

The point of that post was intended to be "why is this discussion about teaching everyone semi-advanced mathematics when you can teach them day one business functions," but ultimately neither are the solution.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Xiahou Dun posted:

Then you're just making blind assertions back at me and there's no conversation to be had. This is just a wordier version of "nuh uh".

I'm pulling this out in particular because I think it belies the breakdown in communication : probability is not semi-advanced mathematics. It's not. At all. It's in fact very basic mathematics that is underemphasized in current education. It doesn't even need most of the operators. In terms of actual mathematical knowledge it requires far less than many of the things we currently teach and take as standard.

You're both assuming it's more difficult than it actually is, while also assuming that educational goals have to be zero sum and this comes at an expense.


Here is my whole argument :

1) basic probability, while unintuitive, is not particularly difficult to teach
2) we currently do not teach it much, if at all. It's going to be in just about any math textbook, but it's not emphasized or integrated into other parts of the curriculum.
3) I'm positing that increasing education in probability would decrease gambling (or at least the harm from people instead doing it at lower stakes), if nothing else than because people might understand why it's called the Gambler's Fallacy

If you (general you, not Pharmerboy in particular) would like to argue against this, I welcome it. So far, no one actually has. I just keep getting variations of "math is unintuitive", "the US education system is bad" or "this will not entirely solve the problem by itself". None of those actually refute my claim and two of them are in fact my own argument back at me.

I'm not going to get super involved in continuing either, mostly because I'm not invested enough to track down the kinds of evidence you're requesting. I only want to note the anecdote (which I bring up because it amuses me, not because I think its representative of anything) that way back in high school my math class did go into probability. If we finished stuff early, our teacher would let us play cards. She would join, and proceed to talk through the probability of us having the cards to beat her (answer: not high enough), which was some excellent sneaky teaching in hindsight.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Looks to be Alabama HB 237.

Alabama House posted:

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA:
Section 1. (a) Related to in vitro fertilization and
notwithstanding any provision of law, including any cause of
action provided in Chapter 5 of Title 6, Code of Alabama 1975,
no action, suit, or criminal prosecution for the damage to or
death of an embryo shall be brought or maintained against any
individual or entity when providing or receiving goods or
services related to in vitro fertilization.
(b) This section is intended to apply retroactively to
any act, omission, or course of services which are not the
subject of litigation on the effective date of this act.
Section 2. This act shall become effective immediately.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

koolkal posted:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/29/biden-walks-back-gaza-truce-00144168

Lmao that even Biden is now joining Israel and Hamas in shaking his head at Genocide Joe's claims about a ceasefire coming soon

When things are phrased in the manner of "Let's laugh at this person failing to achieve the thing," and the context of the accompanying writing implies the thing being done is a good thing, it ultimately gives me the feeling that this isn't really about Palestine or Israel as much as it's about scoring points against Joe Biden.

Not that I'm implying bad faith, mind you! Just giving advice on how you might be more rhetorically effective when people like me read your comments.

PharmerBoy fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 29, 2024

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
It is by no means the only type of criticism from the left, but it seems to be repeated in dadrips and occasionally others that what they want isn't actually actually democracy but a dictatorship that happens to follow their ideas of good governance. I can't look at any of these calls for autocracy and see it as anything more than another case of "Surely these leopards won't eat my face!"

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
"Big, big hands, the best hands, beautiful big league hands, tremendous hands"

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Trump playing Fortunate Son at a rally is a level of irony poisoning I may not survive.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
"No no, this massive social media company sucking up user data into a black box and feeding them engagement bait from an ever tightening algorithm is the good one!"

Remember when Google's motto was Don't Be Evil?

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

brugroffil posted:

They're all bad and a huge net negative on society. Pretty dumb to be targeting just one because CHINA!!! though.

I'm sure they'll drag Zuck in front of Congress again at some point and then continue to do nothing.

I'll give you that, all of them should be blasted. Can't get worked up over one of them being hit for an iffy reason, though.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Hey Potato Salad,

Most of this has centered around whether or not TikTok is an ally of the people, and the support for that seems to be your personal experiences. Do you have anything larger than what you've experienced going door to door? Asking in good faith, I'm coming from a baseline of being incredibly distrustful of any multi-billion dollar advertising company. Bonus points if you have anything explaining how it differs a) from Twitter's place in the Arab Spring before Twitter went to poo poo (even pre-Musk), and b) how TikTok is making this happen in a way not currently occurring on any of the other major platforms.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Shammypants posted:

The question is are they far more chuddy now than before the takeover.

I just want to mark this, because it is not the question. It is entirely possible to have unacceptable nazi (etc.) tolerance before and after the sale.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
The larger context of the question is the conversation about what the effect of a sale would have on TikTok. I'm reading your post as both a)there is a difference in Twitter's tolerance of the far-right, and b)it's a significant difference.

Ultimately, I'm objecting to the idea that Twitter was once a left-wing haven similar to what TikTok is alleged to be, and the only reason it's not is the sale to Elon.

If you're trying to get at something else, apologies and please clarify.

Dueling edits here, but I'm now seeing your edit that makes that more apparent.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Being horrified at how many of my fellow human beings were complaining that washing your hands for 10 seconds straight was way too long and took forever. Then, learning that about 40% of American men say they don't use soap to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

I used to work at a grocery store within sight and earshot of the public restroom. The number of people exiting while we could still hear the toilet flushing was horrifying.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Housing can not continue to grow at a rate that outpaces inflation/wage increases without ceasing to function as housing.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
From Washington Post .


WaPo posted:

Recordings from the transportation authority police radio published by Broadcastify, an open-source audio-streaming service, show officers discussing the workers on the bridge and plans to notify the foreman. But within about 20 seconds, before an officer could drive across the bridge and deliver the news, the structure plummeted into the water.

And it sounds like the full audio is out there if someone wants to do more than conjecture.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

mawarannahr posted:

Isn't there a place they could find cheaper tugs? $5000 is a little dear.

Something happen in the Stormy Daniels case?

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Gripweed posted:

These bans are indefensible. They need to be reversed and Koos needs to step down immediately.

Seems fine to me.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

DeliciousPatriotism posted:

I/P at this point in history is literally the fault of the US and the most pressing issue that needs to be resolved in US foreign policy so I can't understand for the life of me why it's banned in this thread.

You may have missed the part where that is explicitly allowed.

Koos Group posted:

That part I probably wasn't clear enough about. The thread closure should not be dodged by discussing the topic in and of itself elsewhere, but insofar as it's relevant to another thread (such as effects the conflict has on other countries in the ME thread, or America's role in it here in USCE), that is still allowed. Tnega's post is fine, for example.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
I'm confused why we're stepping in to politically-mansplain to the union why, no, the union is actually wrong about being happy about the course of events.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Byzantine posted:

A few people were commenting on 'the problem with American democracy', talking about money in campaigns, AIPAC and the like. But it really seems like the actual problem with US democracy is that the US population is mostly Nazis. Even in the deep blue regions, the instant Dem voters see an illegal immigrant or a homeless person or get told they don't have absolute authority over schoolwork, they slam hard-right and start heiling.

That's quite the accusation to throw around without a shred of evidence, particularly the "homework" aspect a day after results of Moms For Liberty candidates were roundly defeated.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
This is all somewhat my lived experience, as a health care professional (pharmacy) in an industry controlled by major corporations with intolerable working conditions. It is/was a major pressing concern- how do I balance the terrible working conditions that don't allow sufficient care and attention be paid to individual patients, resulting in the long term death and harm by a thousand cuts for my patients (let alone my personal mental health and well being) vs. the short-term discrete harm that would be caused by shutting up shop and saying "No drugs for the next week." Its not an easy calculus, and any negotiation is going to be stacked against the worker because only one side gives a poo poo about the harm the whole thing is causing to 3rd-parties. My ideal solution would be a regulatory agency (Board in my case) stepping in to address conditions without requiring any stoppage. There have been nibbles around this in a couple states, but its probably a pipe dream due to regulatory capture or general regulator toothlessness in most states.

Absent the above, union action and strikes is the unfortunate necessity. I don't like it, but its better than nothing. And I would be super happy to have the government step in to take care of negotiation for me. This is dependent on results of course, but the same thing can be said of union strikes and negotiators.

For what its worth, I did quit as recognition of it being the only tool I had to signal things were not acceptable. Due to pharmacists, in general, and pharmacists in my sector of pharmacy, specifically, being loving idiots who don't think they need unions, there wasn't/isn't currently an option there. But as long as I have ways to not starve, I wouldn't go back without a union in place. And I know even this, again, worsens outcomes for patients; at least one shop closed due to lack of people willing to staff it.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

He's a package deal tho. Anybody voting for, say, low inflation Biden, is at least fine with all the rest as the price for [low inflation]. Anyone voting for him is actively choosing [genocide in Palestine].

Tell me the difference?

Note, I don't actually believe the above, but this thread generally seems to come down very hard on people pushing this line with regard to Biden, but seems ok with it when placed on their political enemies.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Looks to the Moon posted:

I don't understand these people. I get there's political calculus, compromises, and taking the long view, but do they not have families? It wasn't too long ago that Biden, the loving vice president, was about to sell his home to pay for Beau's cancer treatments.

When you actively keep people from the healthcare they need, everyone loses.

But what do I know, I'm just some rando on the internet.

While I'm sure many of the politicians at the time had family members who had been diagnosed with cancer, I don't believe Beau's cancer was known at that point in time. Wikipedia puts the first symptoms appearing in 2010, and a diagnosis isn't until 2013.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Those goalposts look pretty heavy, might be easier if you stopped moving them.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
It's great messaging if your position is more needs to be done with regards to climate change, it's poo poo messaging if your position is Biden should be reelected.

Based on context, I suspect Hilary/that Twitter account is in the second camp.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
You keep calling for action, but you're side-stepping every request to offer proof or a source for your claims.

Edit: Directed to Dynamic Sloth

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
All of your examples are behaviors that can occur solely verbally. I don't think anyone would seriously consider a terrorist someone who solely says awful things.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

theCalamity posted:

A lot of posters in this thread echoing the defensive rhetoric of fascists, but many of them are good.

You could discuss the actual bad things that are happening, like selec below you, instead of inventing make believe things to be mad at.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Willa Rogers posted:

Could we please not impugn other posters' motives nor tell them what they should be posting? We've had a fruitful & nuanced discussion for the most part.

Based on the context of the discussion ("is echoing the same as actually being") that post reads as calling posters in this thread fascist, which feels out of line to me.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

Butter Activities posted:

It's my understanding that it is reasonably well established in US case law that going limp is called "passive resistance" in most police training, and is usually sufficient for a resisting/interfering charge, and at least enough justification for use of force by police that you're probably not going to have a hope of beating qualified immunity. Not so fun fact.

Can any lawyers in the topic speak to this? I can see, by stretching, where to get to going limp is resisting arrest, but going limp being sufficient to justify use of force is a new aspect to the hellscape that's still surprising.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
I grew up on a farm, and I'd say it instilled more reasons not to pull this kind of poo poo. Where rural/western specific media touched this kind of stuff, it lionized the rancher who took care of their herd in dangerous weather at personal risk. Conversely, I distinctly remember repeat performances of a epic poem (in the sense that it took about 15 minutes to perform orally) at trail rides, etc., regarding the ostracization of a cowboy shooting a horse that continuously bested him.

Outside of all the normal attachment to animals (and you can grow to appreciate an individual cow while also acknowledging someone is going to eat it someday), each animal is also an economic investment. You can't just go out an shoot an animal without throwing away money.

While there were kids who talked about going out shooting stray cats, my memory is they were the maladjusted kids who'd get a bit of side-eye. What you do have rurally is more access to to guns and animals, so your regularly occurring psychopaths have access to do something Iike this. For Noem specificly, it reads to me as the intersection of psychopath, access, and wealth.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

to my understanding, its expensive because the improved versions of insulin medication we use these days in the US are indeed patented, with the semaglutides that have exploded in popularity being a case in point. Old insulin isn't recommended.

While it doesn't really detract from your main point, the pharmacy pedant in me needs to distinguish that semaglutide is a different category of drug than insulin, with a different development than insulin's rather unusual history. Both insulin and semaglutide can be used to illustrate issues regarding drug pricing, but it'll definitely confuse issues to substitute one for the other in discussion of drug economics.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Open question to me is how this helps medical dispensaries in practice. Its moving from Schedule I to Schedule III, so still a controlled substance. Businesses will still have to have a DEA registration to handle it, at least to be ok Federally. DEA, however, doesn't have a registration category that medical dispensaries would qualify for. All the registrations are for hospitals/physicians/wholesalers/etc. The system, as it currently exists, isn't really built for controlled substances (that aren't also regulated as drugs) to be sold to the general public.

Could be more in the actual actions as they become public. I'm not finding any first party press releases or actions yet, only early reporting in newspapers from unclear sources.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Yeah, it needs a noticeable change in more DEA business than just the Schedules to have a noticeable effect. I don't think DEA would rush to make those changes, but I could see the same pressures that brought about this news also being working on those changes as well.

Otherwise, your health care provider that already has a DEA registration could sell you weed and still get to use a bank, but I don't think that's the solution that any large chunk of people is looking for.

PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
You know he's committed crimes you've never heard about.

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PharmerBoy
Jul 21, 2008
Its electorialism bait, don't take it.

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