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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
The purpose is to generate positive media coverage, not to effect any actual policy changes.

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

VikingofRock posted:

Why do rural Americans put so much value on "hard work", and thus reject "handouts"? Christianity.
"Because religion" is a lazy explanation. Why religion, then?

Are rural people actually obsessed with "hard work?" Do they "reject handouts?" Why are we even discussing "rural Americans" as if they're a distinct ethnoreligious group?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
It seems like both parties have a perverse incentive to fight the issue out state-by-state for basically public relations reasons. Neither party is well-positioned to pass anything nationally, so we can only wonder whether or not they actually want to.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Cimber posted:

Something I'd like to tack on, having grown up in a rural area, is that getting to the doctor is physically harder and involves a lot more planning than it would in a more urban area. You very well might have to drive 45 minutes to get to your local physician, and getting to a hospital that is equipped to do major tests might be a day off of work for the two or three hour drive.

So do you miss a day's pay and have to potentially pay a few hundred dollars out of pocket to do a 'useless' test, or do you go to that hospital. When you are poor, have lovely insurance from your work pace and working a hard manual job the choice is a very difficult one to make.
I work for a hospital and have better insurance than most people, and I still can't afford multiple appointments and tests that can cost a few hundred bucks a pop. And my doctor is still in a bedroom community 45 minutes from the hospital. This sounds like the kind of thing that isn't captured in all those statistics about how great the economy is going.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Not everything needs to instantly turn to Biden vs. Trump, dude. Legions of psychotic Boomers are having that argument on Twitter all day every day, and I'll go there if I want to participate.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I would wager that there are millions of working-class people who don't vote, or do vote, with the expectation that nothing will perceptibly change. I don't know if they "get" to do that, but they do it nonetheless.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Main Paineframe posted:

My apologies. Usually when people start talking about "the kind of thing that isn't captured in all those statistics about how great the economy is going" in this thread, they're making a reference to the fact that pollsters are consistently finding that a majority of voters say that the economy is lovely under Biden and that they're gonna vote Trump to bring back economic prosperity.
No problem, I'll admit I get caught up in that mindset myself. It feels like I spent 4 years hearing old Republicans saying that everything is great and if it's not great for you, you're a lying traitor who doesn't want Trump to make America great again. And now I've spent about 3.5 years hearing old Democrats saying that everything is great and if it's not great for you, you're a lying traitor who doesn't realize that Biden is the most progressive president since FDR. This is the empty hyperpartisanship we're drowning in while more and more people are going to food banks after landlords and hospitals take their grocery money.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

zoux posted:

So it's also functionally impossible to get rid of. Is there a path for California to unfuck itself?
Sure, public housing.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
You can definitely run on being a centrist conservative in NoVa/DC/Maryland, it's when people try to extrapolate that to the rest of the country that it gets nuts.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
So people should ignore their concerns over the actual genocide, happening right now, because of what you predict will happen in the future? Why are gay and trans Americans more real and more human to you than Palestinians?

I'm trans. My identity is not a tool for you to whip votes for Genocide Joe.

Also, when did God come down from heaven and write in stone that Trump will be worse than Biden on Israel? I see no reason to believe that's the case. Trump doesn't care about anything but his public image and feeling important; that could well be more responsive to public pressure than Biden, who is a gleefully genocidal advocate for Israel and doesn't appear to care what anyone thinks. Trump, as far as I know, hasn't committed blood libel against Palestinians.

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Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 17, 2024

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Combed Thunderclap posted:

It feels deeply perverse to read this and experience a wave of nostalgia for the summer of 2016, of all years, but here we are, eight years later… :yayclod:
I remember arguing in 2004 that if we settle for lovely Democratic candidates, we would eventually be having precisely the argument that we're having now.

socialsecurity posted:

So we should ignore everything Trump has ever said he will do and has done in the past in regards to Israel to pretend he will be better? Is there any reason we should believe this fanfiction?
I'd just prefer people not use the threat of Trump to shame/threaten people to try to get them to vote for Biden. It's obscene. I have no interest in fanfiction about Donald the Dove, just as I don't care for fanfiction about how he's going to declare himself the Emperor Fuhrer.

Queering Wheel posted:

I'm trans as well. I don't think that Palestinians are less real and less human, but they're half a world away and I would like for my existence to not be made illegal. I'd like to not be forcibly detransitioned/thrown into prison for simply existing/whatever other vile poo poo a Trump administration would do to me. So, I'm voting Biden. I have to look out for myself and those I care about.
What's the connection between voting for Biden and thwarting anti-trans legislation? Anti-trans legislation is generally unpopular and a big electoral loser for Republicans. Most of these bills are at the state level, though there was a big surge at the federal level last year. How many more will be introduced under Trump than Biden? How many will pass? What positive effect will Trump's election have on passing these bills? We don't know.

It looks to me like activism at the state and local level is way more meaningful to trans rights than the choice between Biden and Trump. The good news is that if the centrist argument is true, you can not vote for Biden on Tuesday and on Wednesday go right back to protesting whatever cornfed lunatic is trying to outlaw our existence.

The Mattybee posted:

This is not the first time this has come up and every single time people put together a litany of quotes from Trump about supporting Israel just killing all of them, it goes unaddressed or handwaved away with "Well that's just Trump saying things he just says whatever".

Do you think Trump would be better to Palestine? Don't give me the "well the future is unknowable" coward answer that happened the last time this came up, give a concrete answer. Yes or no? Why?
Trump does, in fact, talk a lot of poo poo. He likes to say he did, is doing, or will do things that he didn't and doesn't do. He also likes to point at any perceived weakness in his opponents and claim that he did, would have, or will do better on the issue. The usual natsec bugmen are already crawling out of the woodwork to lament that he didn't start a war with Iran when he had the chance.

Do I think Trump will be better? Probably not. What do you think Trump will do for Israel that Biden isn't already doing? If it's vocal support, Biden's already doing that. Will he send more weapons? Deploy American troops? Setting aside that Trump does care about his approval rating beyond the diehard base, how much does the magachudbase really want to send troops to Gaza, or incur visible economic impacts for Israel's sake?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

GlyphGryph posted:

When has Trump ever been better on an issue than expected?
I really envy that you didn't have to spend Wednesday, November 9th, 2016 explaining to your friends that the President doesn't actually have a big red button in the Oval Office that launches all of the nukes. I really do.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Lemming posted:

He tried to start a war. He literally assassinated an Iranian general, which was loving crazy
Can POTUS fail to start a war? He assassinated Soleimani, Iran retaliated with attacks that killed a contractor and injured soldiers, and Trump didn't retaliate against the retaliation. Did he try and fail to order another attack?

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that anyone vote for Trump as a harm reduction candidate. My claim is that there's no moral or strategic imperative to vote for Biden and you aren't doing your part to make a better place by supporting an enthusiastic purveyor of genocide, regardless of his stance on any other issue.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Actually, I think you'll find that everyone who disagrees with me is as callous as they are privileged.

Riptor posted:

Did you have a bridge game or something on Jan 6, 2021?

Donald Trump on January 6th, 2021 posted:

I know your pain. I know you're hurt. I know you're hurt, I know your pain. I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt. It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home, we love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home at peace.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 17, 2024

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Riptor posted:

What uh.... what point are you making here
What point were you making in the first place when you referenced January 6, 2021? To be clear, I've never played bridge.

The Mattybee posted:

So you don't think Trump will be any better on Palestine (and for the record: I think Joe Biden is loving dogshit on Palestine!), which means that it's bad that people point out that Joe Biden is better on a number of significant, relevant things (like trans rights) because ....???
It's bad to tell people that they have an ethical responsibility to vote for a genocidaire. I'm not opposed to discussing the difference between any two candidates' policies on any given issue.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
We weren’t talking about Trump “undermining the democratic process” nor overturning the election results. If you want me to answer a straightforward question, then by all means, ask one instead of dicking around.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Riptor posted:

You invoked the term "Emperor Fuhrer", and mocked the notion that he might declare himself such. You are aware of how Hitler came to, and then consolidated power, yes?

You're the one dicking around, and you still haven't explained what point you were trying to make by quoting Trump on Jan 6th.
Why did you bring up January 6, 2021 in the first place? I'm aware of how Hitler came to power. If you're trying to make a straight-across comparison between Trump and Hitler, you should probably not reference a situation in which Trump did not act like Hitler, and told his angry supporters to give up and go home.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Uh, seriously, how? Because I pay taxes?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Neat Bee posted:

Right, they're attacking Tiktok because its a hub of leftism AND its eating American companies' lunch.
TikTok is not itself a "hub of leftist thought," it's just the target of the hysterical anticommunism and Sinophobia in both major parties.

GlyphGryph posted:

All you have to do to be alive today is to be part of an unbroken string of organisms managed to avoid ever losing (dying before they could produce), even once, in 3.5 billion years. You, personally, will continue to stay alive only so long as you "continue to bat a thousand".
This is ludicrous sophistry.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
"MAGA Communism" is a hashtag conceived by an annoying guy who wanted attention, not a movement. Confusing the two is frankly stupid.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Edit: n/m

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 19, 2024

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Poor guy can’t even immolate himself without screwing the pooch.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Daily naps aren't incompatible with being in Congress or SCOTUS, and if you're asleep, does it matter where? You may as well get paid to sleep.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

PurpleSky posted:

Ok but I'm unclear how selling TikTok would stop young folks from expressing their anger on the app. Would the purpose of selling it be to kill the app? Introduce new restrictions? All of the above?
Let's say that Elon Musk, for example, bought TikTok. Do you not think the moderation of content would change at all?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Given what I know about Texas, I'm sure that will remain true for another 45 seconds or so.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

mutata posted:

So the 3 people who love political semantics "ACTUALLY! :smug: " debates can go talk about that. The Biden admin and the press especially very obviously want to draw the parallel from pro Palestine protests to terrorism. They want those flavors mixing in the populace's brains.
It's the old "We all agree that it's bad, so let's spend 95% of our time critiquing the protests against it."

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

punishedkissinger posted:

I can guarantee that if Trump were president and did the exact same things you wouldn't be drawing these kind of ridiculous pedantic distinctions

mutata posted:

Forget it, Jake, it's Pedanttown.
There's a whole subforum devoted to ridiculing the ludicrous monstrosity of the centrist worldview, so in this thread they have "the right to play" which they accuse leftists of appropriating. I suppose that's fair.

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

punishedkissinger posted:

Right, and the Biden administration has made statements that conflate the two or otherwise make no distinction. This is incredibly dangerous and harmful and no one should defend it.
Biden publicly claimed to have seen photos of a Hamas massacre that never happened. So we don't need to debate if the Biden administration is deliberately transmitting pro-genocide propaganda; POTUS did it personally.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Well actually, Saburo Arasaka could have oh poo poo, wrong thread, sorry.

I'm interested to see how Florida resolves this, since they're allergic to raising taxes to fund education.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
The mainstream outlets crying about disinformation are also pushing disinformation. It's not hard to grasp!

"Why wouldn't you give an org the benefit of the doubt just because they lie constantly?" is an idiotic debate that people somehow still need to have on a daily and hourly basis.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Main Paineframe posted:

If you're mad about disinformation or lies, then point to the misinformation and lies so we can talk about it, instead of just assuming that everyone already agrees with you that the mainstream media are constantly lying and can't ever be trusted.
Fine, here's an example:

https://x.com/DanaBashCNN/status/1785725450527842512

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

In case anyone forgot, a porn star testified today under oath that Donald Trump, a former president of the United States, had intercourse with her while he was married and then paid her to not tell the story.
As I recall, Daniels said that she felt coerced--she was delivered to his hotel room by the sort of no-necks who always accompany people like Trump, and felt like she couldn't say no. I get why "He hosed a PORN STAR!!!" is an easier headline than "He kinda sorta committed rape," but it was rape and I feel like that's what should be emphasized.

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