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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

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zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1752914377395851642

This is like, struggling state party numbers....


In addition to Trump and other's blatant skimming, the crazies are actively driving out competent people. Remember that McCarthy was one of, if not the, biggest fundraisers.

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Gyges
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Xiahou Dun posted:

O sure. It is stupid, and gently caress those guys.

I was just trying to suss out the internal axioms and emotional levers that could get a bunch of people to do a stupid thing en masse. I’m assuming they think/thought something else will/would happen.

Their argument was that they thought loving around meant that next term would be their last, not this one. So a bunch of people hosed around because they miscalculated when they would be facing the consequences of their actions.

Gyges
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borkencode posted:

Weren't there a couple instances where very serious military leaders had to talk Trump down from just preemptively using nuclear weapons?

It's great that we've got two modern Presidents who forced the military into creating ways to ignore orders if the C.I.C is drunk or tweeted them from the toilet.

Gyges
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Normy posted:

Is it really useful to draw conclusions on the general based on comparing primaries with very different fields?

The tea leaves must be read, even if all we have are these grass clippings.

Gyges
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So is Florida going to be doing DNA testing on anyone who Gator Country Barney Fife doesn't think looks either masculine or feminine enough for their Driver's License? My understanding is that most if not all of identifying documents already let you change your gender.

Gyges
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BonoMan posted:

In "social media platforms can't just NOT continue to gently caress up"

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/tech/manipulated-biden-video-meta/index.html

There's a video of Joe Biden placing an "I Voted" sticker on his adult grandchild's chest. It's been edited to suggest he's repeatedly touching her inappropriately.

BUT! Meta says the video can stay up because it doesn't fulfill the needs for "manipulated media" under their own rules (a policy they themselves now say is "incoherent and needs to change").

See, in Meta's rules, the video MUST use AI to be manipulated and MUST show the person saying something that they didn't say. It absolutely has to check both of those boxes or it doesn't get removed.

Since the video in question quasi-happened (he placed the sticker) and doesn't include changed audio by an AI...well then it gets to stay!

Jesus Christ.

What kind of idiot makes it all the way to AI being able to manipulate videos, and doesn't remember that people can do it by digital hand?

Gyges
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

They aren't even liars. They're living an emotional truth that has no necessary congruence with actual fact. Republicans are good for the economy like immigration is bad for the economy: two precepts that have been repeatedly disproved again and again for decades but that nevertheless feel true to republican voters.

They believe this stuff they way they believe Jesus loves capitalism. It has nothing to do with truth or falsehood. Completely orthogonal. Non intersecting.

I'm at work so I can't really check, but does the belief that Republicans are good for the economy hold among people who came of age since 2000? Since then every major economic hit, outside "Biden's" inflatable has come hurtling at us from a Republican President's tenure.

Gyges
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Zore posted:

Mike Johnson gave an interview about how he and his son are accountability buddies on one of those apps that tracks if you view porn that sends a notice to the other one.

What the flying gently caress?

Gyges
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Oh man, that video gets even more insane the longer you watch. He was apparently going to weekly meetings where he was talking with other dads about their sons jerking off and how they get blurred screen captures from the program when it detects possible porn.

(And how proud he was when he got an alert and a blurred image sent to his phone and it turned out to just be a livestream of two of his teachers talking and wearing shoulder-less dresses.

It's like each layer is worse than the last, and it's all so loving creepy that it's kind of effectively distracting from the fact that the Speaker of the House has all his electronics monitored by a puritanical 3rd party app. Like, I want to focus on that but then, boom, middle aged men and their teenage sons gathering to talk about what they got caught jerking off to.

Goddamn America indeed.

Gyges
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Killer robot posted:

The cell phone I bought in early 2004 was a pretty cheap model and had a camera.

But oh boy the pain of getting its postage stamp pictures off the phone and onto the internet.

I forget if the camera was still complete dogshit by 2004, or if it had made it all the way up to 480p.

Gyges
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Jaxyon posted:

Every moment Bruce spent playing around in costume instead of funding social programs with his wealth is indulgent and wasted, and even "good" versions of batman beat up criminals and henchmen who are much more likely to be minorities and in poverty, just so he could get a hardon or whatever.

ACAB includes Batman.

Also he was still a multibillionaire, so he wasn't doing enough good.

He's the kind of rich where he doesn't personally fund poo poo, he tells his people to set up and run programs. There's no trade off where every minute spent philanthopizing comes at the cost of a minute of Batmaning, or vice versa. Plus he's a near perfect genius who can totally set up the proper people and funding.

Besides in a world with Superman, Firestorm, sundry other super powers, magic, and super tech, Bruce Wayne is way down on the list of guys not fully utilizing their assets to fix the world. Batman is poo poo in full isolation, but within the larger universe he's kind of not bad.

Gyges
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glitchwraith posted:

The comics have often implied that Bruce does fund social programs. It's just that comics rarely focus on that because funding a non-profit doesn't make for an action packed narrative. It's also a flaw of the serial medium that Batman can never fully fix Gotham/society, through violent or non-violent means, because that would end the comic.

Edit: That's not to say that you can't or shouldn't criticize the comics through a political lens. But the focus should be on how the narrative is told and how it relates to broader society, not whether this impossibly rich, smart, and athletic fictional character would be ethical in the real world.

Nah, they could fix Gotham and still have stories. Batman is in almost as many places at once as Wolverine anyway. But they're in the same situation as Marvel where all stories must be in a constant boomerang between new changes and flipping back to the status quo.

Gyges
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glitchwraith posted:

Ok, I'll bite. Gotham's corruption has been rooted out. Effective social programs have made poverty and major crimes rare to non-existent, and all super villains have been cured, reformed, or at least humanely separated from society. Gotham is in all senses of the word "fixed". What story do you tell now?

Batman is also fighting intergalactic aliens, working with the Justice League, running one or more international teams, showing up in other cities, and sometimes running a global network of Batmen. Plus Gotham doesn't need to be a Utopia to be fixed, just upgraded from crumbling hellhole to maybe regular Superhero city. Flash's city isn't a hopeless pit of corruption after all.

Gyges
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Shammypants posted:

One a scale of normal person to No Joe Tag Holder, how much did what joe biden do tonight matter and why is it that it didn't matter at all?

Mixing up Mexico and Egypt is something you would get from any era of Gaff Machine Biden. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some grainy 1980s film of him doing it.

Neither what Biden did tonight nor the report will change anything come November. Joe Biden's voters aren't voting for Joe Biden, they're voting against Donald Trump. Same as it ever was.


If anything that particular line in the report defangs any bite it actually had. Nobody but Ultra Chud MAGA wants to dunk on some dude's dead son, and his blinding rage over it is imminently relatable to virtually everyone.

Gyges
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Biden's old and confused as been an aspect of his coverage ever since he jumped into 2020. Any uptick in Biden Confused stories will shortly fall back into the background radiation of OLD MAN that permeates his coverage.

Gyges
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Biden's issue is that even before his brain started slipping he tossed out gaffes way more than other people. Before, it was a bit of a brand thing when he asked the person in a wheelchair to stand up or mixed up countries in a statement. Now every mistake is an example that his brains are about to drip out his ears. His love of folksisms and general Grandpa speak doesn't help him.

Oddly at the same time Trump has always talked in word salad, and he does it so much that it's hard to differentiate when he's having a brain melt down or just being a total loving dolt. Dude hasn't made a completely intelligible answer, that wasn't an insult, since at least the mid 90s. In true Trump fashion, his incompetence in the field is so bad that it manages to confuse the brain's ability to parse resulting in difficulty holding him accountable.

Both of them are suffering from enough brain worms that they should be disqualified from office, but only one of them is so stupid that the thinks pointing out the lion makes him smart. Both their clocks suck, but Biden's is probably way better.

Gyges
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This won't even be remembered by March, let alone November. Every time Biden gaffes, or falls down, or whatever happened to his eye, it's THE END for maybe a week and then everyone forgets.

Not to mention that unless the Supreme Court decides to give Trump immunity, the entire rest of the year is going to be wall to wall Trump Trials. There isn't enough oxygen to keep this alive even if it was actually a major thing.

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AKA Pseudonym posted:

I don't think the point people are trying to make by pointing out Trump's gaffes is that both candidates are senile but rather that this poo poo is ignored unless it feeds into a narrative that the press has selected

I don't know that either are senile, but both seem to be exhibiting clear cognitive decline from where they used to be. Typical 80 year old poo poo. Which is why neither of them should be running, but we are all cursed by a hateful god.

Trump does get more of a pass, but it's not just for feeding a narrative. His only ideology is Trump, and everything is stream of consciousness. Which makes it frustrating and painful to actually listen to and deconstruct his ramblings. Reading transcripts isn't much better either. So he can say insane poo poo, display a questionable cognitive level, and then it's all swimming in an ocean of nonsense. The end result is that it's hard to pull out a fully intelligible "gotcha" moment that is digestible and believable to the average person.

Try listening to the full Access Hollywood thing. It's nearly mind numbing, and about the only reason grab 'em by the pussy stands out is that it's surrounded by enough silence that your brain can latch onto it. And that was from almost 20 years ago when Trump was holding a conversation. All his hits now are uninterrupted diatribes that you have to go and dig out, because all he does is run on sentences that barely follow dream logic. His particular speech patterns don't help since he loves bizarre descriptions like "move on them" or whatever insane dog comparison he throws in.

Honestly his rants are like a generation or a half back AI generated scripts. Random changes and barely following the mostly loosely defined narrative. Though at least he doesn't randomly change the gender of characters he's talking about.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

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A low turnout election probably favors Biden, because more people despise Trump than worship him. The problem comes when it goes above that, and the next trench of voters are more likely to be made up of people who could vote either way and their choice is made off what today's gas price is or whose turn it should be. Which makes average level turnout Trump's best shot.

High turnout seems unlikely given this is a cursed rematch, but probably favors Biden because everyone left absolutely loving hates having to hear about politics and that's all they'll get if Trump is reelected.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

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Tatsuta Age posted:

Boy I wish I was half as confident as posters in this thread that this election was in the bag, and not for Trump.

I don't think anyone thinks it's in the bag. However as of right now, and looking forward to known events coming in the future, it looks Biden is favored to win in November. Trump could totally still win, because our system is stupid and large portions of our population are stupid/hateful. You should worry about the possibility of him winning, but there's no need to negatively obsess or go full doomer over it at this point.

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volts5000 posted:

I’m always keeping the post-2016 election results in my mind. That right there should be proof enough. But the vibes can be overwhelming. I’m taking my mom to the dentist and all I’ve heard is “Biden is so feeble! Do you see the way he walks! Just like my mom when she had dementia! The report said he didn’t even know what year it was! Makes you wonder who’s really running this country! It’s someone we didn’t even elect!” It sucks because I know there are more people like her who have been mainlining Fox News 24/7. It’s loving depressing.

People who mainline Fox News are not the average voter and were never going to vote for Biden. Hell, anyone who watches any cable news is an electoral freak and at the margins of the overall voting base. Most of MAGA doesn't even watch that poo poo and get all their news forwarded to them or by looking for more of the cult info.

It's hard to tell because algorithms and all, but it seems like outside Fox most of the coverage is just Biden old, Biden hits back, People mad at the report, and Biden clowns on Doocy. The story doesn't have one narrative, and as such it has no more legs than the last time Biden's dentures fell out and he started asking when he'd get applesauce.

There's also 2 Trump Supreme Court cases and all his other trial poo poo that is loaded and waiting to smother any other story. Plus Tucker talked to Putin and got roasted and weather poo poo is still going on.

Gyges
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Eletriarnation posted:

This always feels like kind of a rhetorical cop-out. If it doesn't matter who you individually vote for, then either you should stop making it the focus of conversation or you should acknowledge that you're talking about it because you seek to influence other people to vote like you do. Those other people, on a site like SA, mostly will not live in the same state/district/whatever you do and so your influencing them absolutely does matter.

There's only like 3 or 4 states where you, an absolute motor mouth with an insanely large social circle, could possibly impact the Presidential election with your impassioned and insanely persuasive hatred of Joe Biden. Which is disregarding that very few people are psychopathic enough to interact with live people like they do with digital people on the internet.

For like 99.9% of the population it doesn't loving matter who they individually, or in a lockstep hivemind of every person they know vote for. It is impossible for me to poo poo post California Red or Mississippi Blue. If I'm poo poo posting on Something Awful in 2023 I can't even flip a single precinct in any state or territory.

Gyges
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cdc posted:

Mmmmm, baby. Gotta love the Electoral College.

Seriously, you guys. Why haven't there been an insurrection or massive riots about that?

Nobody has ever known any other way, and there's only been 2 times in living memory that it didn't align with the popular vote anyway. We've got hundred of items of American Exceptional stupidity we should, but won't, be rioting over before hitting the Electoral College.

Eletriarnation posted:

It's facile to observe that one person and their arguments are not likely to make the difference in who wins the presidential election in a nation of a third of a billion people. I don't think that fact makes it any less cowardly to fall back on "well, my vote doesn't really matter" when it's pointed out that if enough people followed your shining example we'd all be completely hosed.

If enough people followed the example of those who state they're not voting for Biden, 3rd Party candidates would have a chance and Biden wouldn't have even been the nominee.

Jumping in to yell at someone that they're just helping Trump when they're justifiably pissed at Biden is far more tiring and pointless than posting about how you're not voting for Biden. Nobody here is changing any results, and the repeated insistence of attempting to browbeat people into voting for Biden is pointless.

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Gyges
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Freakazoid_ posted:

Speaking of, could a dem outsider run against Biden at this point? Is it too late or could someone actually have a chance? And if it's too late, when would there have been a better time? How about an incumbent with no political experience?

They could, but nobody is going to help them and it will be an up cliff battle to convince voters what they want right now is a fight that will "totally" weaken whoever wins right before fighting Trump. Also nobody of any stature or backing will do it because why not just wait to 2028 and avoid the animosity from the attempt and blame if Trump wins.

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Bwee posted:

It is astonishing how poll after poll shows that most disillusionment with Democrats comes from people thinking they're too far left (which is absurd). It really shows how SA and Twitter are bubbles.

That's largely a function of the current state of our two party system. Our two parties are currently Right Wing Lunatics Moving Ever Rightward and Everyone Else. So of course all the Never Trump refugees, Blue Dog Democrats, and Problem Solvers aren't happy that Joe Biden is to the left of the Obama guy they hated for being a Liberal Socialist. Meanwhile everyone to the left of moderates are getting at least some things they like out of Joe Brandon.

cdc posted:

All elections are important, but I have never seen one in my lifetime where it was so obvious that the choice stood between normality and chaos. Democracy and fascism.

For fucks sake, this shouldn't be that hard. Vote for Biden to stop the bleeding now, and then find a good candidate for 2028.

This one and the last two elections have been the exact same choice. If you really want to alter the bend of history you need to go back and get Gore elected in 2000. Of course then Al Gore is responsible for the Great Recession, but we probably aren't in forever wars and we have 2 more seats on the Supreme Court.

We being non-fascists. I don't believe those Justices would be super awesome everything you ever wanted for most people here.

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Gyges
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Joe and Donny also don't smoke while Bill at least used to smoke cigars. That's possibly even more aging than the alcohol.

Gyges
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cdc posted:

Yeah, I'd love a third term for Bubba (mostly because I'm old and want the 90's back), but there's this bitch 22nd amendment.

Oh well, maybe the god emperor Trump can fix that.

Bill Clinton was the worst Democratic President of my lifetime. Give me Sleepy Joe instead 10 out of 10 times.

Gyges
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Yeah, Trump never did anything to rile up China. No attempts at a trade war or blaming them for a pandemic from that guy. Plus Jared will totally bring Peace to all the Middle East this time.

Gyges
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Why does he hate China so much anyway? I thought they gave Team Trump a shitload of trademarks and poo poo which should have made them A+ good people for giving him stuff for free.

Gyges
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Kith posted:

it would be nice if biden did anything to earn my vote outside of "not being trump"

Not Trump has been the purposeful branding of the party since 2016, and they're not going to change it any time soon. Assuming Trump refuses to go away and runs in 2028, it's what they'll do again.

Gyges
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JoylessJester posted:

Could of just posted this and saved yourself a lot of time.

Edit: This was incredibly glib.

It's just so incredibly frustrating to be scolded at every election to vote for the lesser of two evils. "How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils"

It would be cool if the democrats could take their own 'most important election ever' talk seriously and stop running off putting ghouls (Clinton, Biden) who seem to just resent minorities but feel entitled to their votes.

You got Campaign Obama, so you've used up your lifetime supply of presidential campaigns based on something other than "At least I'm not that guy".

Voting the lesser of two evils is kind of a core game component in our stupid system with only 2 actual choices. However, if you're actually trying to persuade someone to vote the way you want them to insisting that they not only eat that poo poo sandwich, but give thanks and ask for another is ridiculous. If someone feels that they can't vote for Biden, you're sure as poo poo not convincing them by screaming "SO YOU WANT TRUMP. ORANGE FASCISM IS WHAT GETS YOU OFF, HUH?!?".

No one has to vote for either one or the other party, they can vote 3rd Party or skip that line on the ballot. And no, not voting for Biden is not the same as voting for Trump. No vote is owed to anyone, nor is it required to be given. Just because our system heavily favors strategic voting doesn't mean that people have to, or even should, focus solely on picking a team and going all out for them. It's on Joe Biden to go out and earn your vote, and if he can't then he doesn't get it. Which is a major failing of recent Democrats who have come to view votes of certain individuals and groups as ones they are entitled to and can take for granted.

Gyges
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MonsieurChoc posted:

Yes, because Biden is already going 100%. You can't go higher than 100%.

If you think Biden is going 100%, you haven't even begun to think about what 100% actually looks like. Biden is insufficiently reigning in Israel and refusing to use any hard measures much beyond telling Bibi off camera that killing kids isn't cool. He is complicit as gently caress and moronic to think handing out munitions, blocking UN votes, and publicly supporting Israel while quietly asking them to pull it back a bit might work.

However Trump not only would do all the actively supportive bullshit Biden is doing, he'll also publicly and privately be encouraging Bibi to stop being such a pussy. Even if we assume he's too stupid and lazy to actually increase US aid and direct support, which he claims to want to do, having the President of the United States screaming that Israel isn't genocide hard enough is worse than current status.

Biden is fine with "acceptable" collateral damage but longs for at least trying to look like killing babies is an actual whoopsie. A monstrous position worthy of condemnation. Trump loves collateral damage and thinks war crimes are super cool if they're done on mission. A demonic position that is even worse.

Gyges
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Captain Fargle posted:

I heard there's supposed to be a special election this month to fill the seat vacated by George Santos. How much of a bellweather for the general election in November is it likely to be?

I believe that the district is usually a Democratic one, but can't remember if New York's dumb redistricting changed it or not. Results of the special election are going to be hard to quantify when compared to 2022 due to the reason for the vacancy, lack of media invented crime wave hysterics, and it traditionally being a Democratic seat anyway.

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Dunite posted:

The argument for Biden shouldn't be he is any less of a genocidal war criminal than Trump but rather than voting for an actual genocidal war criminal don't vote and if Trump becomes a genocidal war criminal himself, both could be prosecuted

Honestly believing in Donald The Dove is far more logical and likely than any US President being held accountable criminally for foreign affairs.

The argument for Biden is to present domestic progress he has done, point to his desire to help Ukraine, and then let the other person decide if that is good enough or if his support for Israel is beyond their bottom line. Everyone has to calculate how much evil they can stand in their lesser evil calculations for themselves.

No one vote is going to sway poo poo nationally, and each of our votes count for different amounts anyway due to geographic location. None of us are actually pulling the lever in the electoral trolly problem, we are just influencing how hard it's pulled to different degrees.

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Google Jeb Bush posted:

feeling like the secretary of defense should stop inserting objects into his orifices

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, which is the best defense. Perhaps we should be asking why he's the first Secretary to so boldly increase defense.

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L. Ron DeSantis posted:

Oh yeah I totally know that. Just saying it's been a factor in "Florida Man" becoming a meme when other states have plenty of incredibly dumb people as well.

Well, there's also a limit one citizens of other states to do alligator beard crimes. That and the entire state being either beaches or hillbillies makes for very media friendly crimes to cherry pick.

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GhostofJohnMuir posted:

my understanding is the house gop pushed the impeachment vote to avoid dealing with the seat flipping, but the foreseeable result is losing a bunch of media focus on the impeachment to prognosticate on the horse race. a gop house so bad they can't even match the hay the tea party folks made out of benghazi

For once the TV in the break room was on the local news instead of either CSI or NCIS. Which is where I learned they actually impeached the guy "Over disagreements about the border. Experts doubt the Impeachment will proceed." It was sandwiched between a much lengthier segment about the special election and an unhinged attempt to get the viewer to riot over gummies edibles that look like candy gummies.

Staluigi posted:

donald trump was simultaneously convicted of 1,000 crimes and caught on fire before being devoured by velociraptors. here's why this is bad news for biden

Actually that probably is bad news for Biden. A large part of his appeal is not being Trump when the only other option is Trump.

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Zamujasa posted:

At some point I'm left wondering if the non-Trump GOP game plan is just "pray he croaks".

Their only options are pray for death, pray for a stroke that takes away his ability to communicate, or find enough cash and a method to pay him to go away.

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Morrow posted:

An element that's really worth highlighting is that the normal dynamic where Republicans do better among likely voters and Democrats with registered voters has flipped, as Dems pick up a lot of people turned off by Trump and Trump in turn energizes people not likely to vote normally.

The thing is, he's already activated all the low engagement chuds. There's no longer a large untapped block of electorally silent haters to suddenly show up at the polls. The X Factor seems to be people who voted Biden reluctantly or stayed home in shame. Will they still find Biden acceptable enough to show up or not vote Trump?

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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I would have said Trump got all the low engagement chuds in 2016 but he somehow got way more votes in 2020

I'm assuming a lot more first time chuds will spawn out of the aether once again

In 2016 he was supposed to get clobbered by Hillary. When he won it emboldened all the cowardly scumsuckers who skipped 2016, and made them feel like it was finally acceptable to proudly wave the shithead flag. Which is part of why they lost their minds about how Biden stole the election. They didn't want to have burned all those social bridges with their friends and family for no reason. It was finally the time of bigots again.

Trump probably does get more votes due to population growth, but the big question mark is how many people lost the drive to crawl naked through broken glass to vote against Donny.

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