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after watching this im glad i dont have to watch an ep of snl for another decade
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Dunno why you had to watch this one of all of them.
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Feb 26, 2024 02:19
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the people watching this to fuel their parasocial culture war obsessions are more embarrassing than the ones pretending the cast and crew all secretly despise the guy who was invited to come there, but not by as much as you would think
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Feb 26, 2024 03:01
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Yeah i don't think the crew really is in revolt or whatever, it's just fun to imagine. Maddie also was pretty cool on Elon a few years back so there is some precedent for her anyway. Fact is that the band, being visible on stage, has a job as entertainers to be happy to see the host and laugh at the mono if they're not playing. Sure, Earl Gardner was probably really amused by Martin Lawrence, but he was also amused every week by every host. No sense reading too much into it. But it can be fun and, most importantly, is more better than talking about most of the show, because the show isn't very good so far in 2024
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Feb 26, 2024 03:16
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Entire cast gets a week off as PFT proceeds to play every character in every sketch by himself.
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Feb 26, 2024 03:44
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PFT gets to host but all the sketches are just about how nice his suits are.
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Feb 26, 2024 04:44
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I watched most of it on youtube, but I found myself laughing a lot at the skits. Monologue sucked but thats par for the course. I feel like with this and also the Ayo episode a few weeks ago, SNL is really stepping it back up.
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Feb 26, 2024 15:24
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Sivart13 posted:i didn't like the episode too much but this "cut for time" is very good I guess I know why they cut it, but still, this was very funny
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Feb 26, 2024 18:08
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R. Guyovich posted:the people watching this to fuel their parasocial culture war obsessions are more embarrassing than the ones pretending the cast and crew all secretly despise the guy who was invited to come there, but not by as much as you would think It’s hard to blame people when you have a number of publications writing oddly editorialized coverage of a show they don’t usually even mention. NPR ran an article about how Gillis “struggled” that ran immediately on Sunday morning. If you search their site it’s clear that they don’t normally cover the show in that way. It’s obviously their prerogative to determine what is worth writing about and if the story of a fired cast member turned host is headline material, but it shouldn’t be surprising when people notice the sudden and atypical coverage, especially in the face of so many terrible hosting jobs. I don’t really find Gillis to be funny normally, so it’s easy for me to agree the monologue was bad, but I doubt Gillis ruined his career or will regret hosting or any of the other hyperbolic things written about it.
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yeah that's dumb, but like i said the other side somehow manages to be more annoying. in the runup to the episode you had people predicting a norm-style legendary annihilation in the monologue, and when shane instead did a middling standup set that barely addressed his getting fired they had to force themselves into pretending it was on that same level, mostly by projecting their neuroses on the band members norm is one of the funniest people to have ever drawn breath, and shane is...fine. hard to reconcile that when your worldview depends on treating the people you've decided agree with you as demigods.
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Feb 27, 2024 02:08
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R. Guyovich posted:yeah that's dumb, but like i said the other side somehow manages to be more annoying. For sure. Totally agree with everything. I was just noting the obviously charged stance that a bunch of more establishment media people were coming at it with. It’s going to encourage that kind of stuff.
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Feb 27, 2024 03:47
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:While that might be true, he still has 33 credits in the 2020s, including two specials on Netflix and more relevantly, even if you literally toss his iMDb aside he's still a way way bigger stand-up than the two I mentioned. It's not close. Think you summed it up actually. SNL either gets washed up hosts or hosts directly working on NBC or HBO projects that get roped into hosting.
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Feb 27, 2024 05:46
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Has Weird Al ever been on SNL in any capacity?
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Feb 27, 2024 06:17
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Nope. Again, seems like a no brainer, but hasn't happened.
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Feb 27, 2024 07:03
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They haven't had Daniel Rad life back on since he started doing interesting movies and missed the combo window with the Weird Al movie.
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Feb 27, 2024 07:45
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nbc wasn't gonna do double promo for a roku movie
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Feb 27, 2024 09:31
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Knowing they did the same thing in dress, I’m guessing the band not laughing was part of the bit but  if you didn’t think it was significant that they didn’t do something they almost always do. The writing for a lot of the skits was also even more half-assed than usual and leaned into the controversy rather than trying to be funny. I had honestly forgotten who he was and thought he was just another mildly funny TikTok comedian. He should have just done the George Washington set for the monologue.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:56
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Dude is gonna have nightmares about last night for decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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Feb 28, 2024 04:40
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Yeah, it's been really weird seeing the dueling narratives around Gillis's hosting, it's pretty apparent that everyone went into this with their mind already made up and just figured out how to describe what happened to match their expectations. The idea that this was some kind of career-impacting bomb or somehow meaningfully worse than most other hosts who go on the show seems to be entirely wishful thinking. That said, I mostly like Gillis, so I'm not all that objective about it either. It's just weird to see mainstream critics who normally don't cover SNL choosing to roll out articles about how bad of a job he did when it seems to me like he just went on the show and did his usual thing. Not transcendent, but not a disaster either. The Atlantic's article about it mirrors my thoughts for the most part: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2024/02/shane-gillis-snl/677569/
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Feb 28, 2024 22:40
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he basically made two jokes about expecting bigger laughs during the monologue, and that was fodder for people to say he bombed I guess? like after the Jo Koy golden globe thing people are ready to pretend that any kind of commentary to the audience like that instantly means you've failed. I had no real opinion on Shane, I was grossed out by the stuff that got him fired, and I'm still feeling like the show has been really sloppy the last several episodes just in terms of basic timing and stuff like that. But this episode and Shane were at least way better than Jacob Elordi
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Feb 28, 2024 22:55
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Yesterday Shane tweeted And then, realising he was alienating his fan base, immediately deleted 
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Feb 28, 2024 23:08
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I've never watched any Shane Gillis before this, so this was my first exposure to him, and I thought his monologue was pretty terrible. I don't think he "bombed" (people laughed, the band's reaction should never be scrutinized), but I didn't like it, personally. I think most comedians do a better job, usually. Just didn't find it funny. But I've read some Gillis fans say that this wasn't a good example of his comedy, and fair enough. Then again, I've also read some of his fans saying he "loving killed it!" so whatever. That being said, the rest of the episode was just the standard, "Meh, pretty bad" recent episodes have been, but not a huge bomb. So I agree, people on both sides are overreacting.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:27
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pwn posted:Yesterday Shane tweeted Shane often drunk tweets and deletes them right away, it's not an alienating his fanbase thing, it's a constant lol
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Feb 29, 2024 04:00
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"He has momentary lapses in being a piece of poo poo when he's smashed" isn't quite the slam dunk you seem to think it is
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Feb 29, 2024 04:10
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I mean he didn't delete it to not alienate his fanbase He seems like a really nice guy, don't know why all the hate is on him
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Feb 29, 2024 04:23
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Like saying Gillis bombed and his career is over, saying he deleted that tweet because he's worried he'll lose chud fans seems entirely a fabrication of your imagination
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Feb 29, 2024 05:06
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Got to be tough getting people to host towards the end of season 49. Like we want you to host SNL, but you're not good enough to host during the epic season 50 celebration. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their ideas are getting shelved as season 50 bangers even.
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Feb 29, 2024 07:19
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Got to be tough getting people to host towards the end of season 49. Like we want you to host SNL, but you're not good enough to host during the epic season 50 celebration. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their ideas are getting shelved as season 50 bangers even.
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Feb 29, 2024 07:34
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You wish. It's gonna be a calvacade of every multi time host coming back in and constantly pulling in whichever celebs are in the building for long claps and whoops before doing a cursory joke.
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Feb 29, 2024 07:38
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live from new york, it's lorne michaels getting sucked off by every a-lister, living or dead, for five solid hours
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What is it about this guy that has people coming out of the woodwork to white knight what was, at the most generous, an extremely mediocre performance?
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:What is it about this guy that has people coming out of the woodwork to white knight what was, at the most generous, an extremely mediocre performance? I've avoided commenting on this episode specifically because of this kind of reaction. Thanks for proving that self-censorship was the right move. But now that I've confirmed that it was the right move, I'll go ahead and post something about the episode that isn't super-negative. I knew nothing about Shane Gillis until I did what he said not to do--I googled him. And, what I learned was pretty bad, and it made me wonder why he was being allowed to host. My wife and I actually theorized that there must be some contractual thing created by his hiring and almost immediate firing, and they had to let him host to avoid getting sued. Early on, I commented, because that monologue was pretty rough. I didn't notice the band not laughing or anything, but it reminded me of how rough the Louis C. K. monologue was--the one where he even commented on how they managed to get through it. Gillis' monologue was on par with that one and the last one Dave Chappelle did. But when the show started, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. There were a few cringe moments, and I guess I liked the sex doll commercial one more than most of the rest of you did (mainly because the dolls were trying to break the straightman in the skits), but it wasn't awful, and I had a few laugh-out-loud moments, which is on par with the rest of the season. I am not going to say it was a good episode, and the stink of this guy was hard to separate from the content of the show, but I've seen worse episodes in the past few years. It was a "meh" episode. So yeah, he shouldn't have been allowed to host, but he didn't do the worst job I've ever seen. Hell, I watched this trainwreck happen on my TV live, and holy crap, was it bad. It's Elon Trump levels of unfunny from start to finish, and the only positive thing I can say about it is that they didn't have an actual Hitler-tier supervillain hosting. Gillis' episode shouldn't have happened, but I've seen so much worse, and I'm not going to trash a whole episode just because the host is a piece of poo poo. I was surprised at how not-awful some of the sketches were, which is something I can't say for some of the other horrible hosts' shows.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:What is it about this guy that has people coming out of the woodwork to white knight what was, at the most generous, an extremely mediocre performance? Because the hyperbolic reaction, yours included, to his appearance doesn't seem to be at all based in reality? We live in kind of a weird moment where you can watch something, think "eh, dude probably did about as well as he could given the circumstances," then go online and see half of the outlets insisting he bombed and the other half insisting he killed, depending on the publication's general politics. I think people rightfully want to check their notes with each other. Squashing Machine fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Many people are so eager for a Shane Gillis failure that they posted really hyperbolic stuff trending towards the negative, so I don’t think it’s necessarily white knighting to point out that his career isn’t over and that he isn’t going to be haunted by his performance and that he wasn’t epically owned because the band members didn’t wildly gesticulate during the monologue. Im not speaking for anyone other than myself, but I view the “standup” SNLs with a different lens than other episodes, and it makes sense that there’s more discord with them. Many standups (as far as I can tell) have no respect for a large portion of the cast. There’s a sense that much of the cast wouldn’t have the chops to make it independently in comedy and/or that they’re nepo babies who learned improv in lieu of having any natural talent for performance. Then there’s the fact that Gillis is far from the most reprehensible person to appear on the show in recent memory. Gillis is an easy target for the culture war, and if you want to scrutinize him for ableism or racism in his material then fine, but hold that same fire for the next celebrity or political cameo or musical guest as well. Earlier this year the show began with a cold open that mocked university presidents for holding a principled stance against against congressional zionists who are complicit in genocide.
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I instantly skip cold openers if they're SNL political ones, which I think is like 99.9% of them these days. Nice to occasionally be reminded why you should just ignore the opening.
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Feb 29, 2024 17:32
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:What is it about this guy that has people coming out of the woodwork to white knight what was, at the most generous, an extremely mediocre performance? Culture war... culture war never changes
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Feb 29, 2024 17:32
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I thought it was fine overall. Monologue was a lil' wobbly, but I've seen much worse. I actually think the The Floor sketch was the weakest. The stupid trump shoes skit was good.
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Feb 29, 2024 18:19
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While the sketch itself was middling, I appreciated “guy who drags his family to an unfamiliar church on vacation” as a very real character with very different energy than you’d typically get in an SNL sketch.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:What is it about this guy that has people coming out of the woodwork to white knight what was, at the most generous, an extremely mediocre performance? pwn posted:https://twitter.com/thatweekinsnl/status/1754009651274736007?s=46&t=t8CFjI5-v0IxaoLh38KSzw pwn fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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