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an alternative to more of the other Asian Saga books would be doing other fictionalised accounts of Japanese history. Tell the Taiko's story and you could potentially keep some of the same actors around (don't do this though, it's perfect as a one shot) (but please do it i want more) (no but yes but no but yes)
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With a title like Shogun you could make like ten seasons, Fargo-style.
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Is there a world where we could anticipate a King Rat adaptation? I liked the story but I think Americans being in a Japanese POW camp might be a jar best left sealed for modern audiences.
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Apr 26, 2024 02:48
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Prequel series following Toronaga and Yabu samuraiing their way around Korea.
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Toronaga wasn't in Korea and a tv show about the samurai invading another country and commiting war crimes there is probably not a good idea for a lot of reasons
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Apr 26, 2024 03:01
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They wouldn’t be the good guys.
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I have absolutely no trust for an English language adaptation of the Japanese invasion of Korea. If you do want to see some, go watch Kingdom where they sic a bunch of zombies on the Japanese invaders
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Pachinko is another great, recent show that might be of interest to people and also features Anna Sawai in a small role. It's about several generations of a Korean family who emigrated to Japan and the difficulties they face over time. It is also an adaptation of a book and although I do prefer the book's telling of the story, the show is an absolutely gorgeous period piece.
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It's in a different country/nation obviously, but I would love to see the creative team behind this show adapt Taipan. Especially since, if I remember right, Clavell himself didn't grasp for the first book at least that Taipan as an expression of respect could actually be read as the locals making fun of the main character directly to his face with a little in-joke only they got?
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Metis of the Chat Thread posted:Pachinko is another great, recent show that might be of interest to people and also features Anna Sawai in a small role. It's about several generations of a Korean family who emigrated to Japan and the difficulties they face over time. It is also an adaptation of a book and although I do prefer the book's telling of the story, the show is an absolutely gorgeous period piece.
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Vegetable posted:I was just thinking about Pachinko! The period parts of it are great. I totally didn’t realize Anna Sawai was in it. To be honest she just looks totally different in Shogun vs. outside of it, even in, like, press interviews. Yup I didn't realise it at all until I looked up Anna Sawai's imdb and even then it was really hard to pair the characters as portrayed by the same person.
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This was a show good enough to make me check out whatever the creators do next. If the same crew tackled another historical saga, I'm on board. I don't think you can do a second season of this particular story, it's perfectly self contained. But I would trust this gang to adapt another series, I hope they do, and I'm watching whatever they do next.
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Apr 26, 2024 07:57
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a couple other great moments from the first episode: Yabu facing his death with hesitation and a very different look back over his shoulder at the Anjin than the one he later gives Toranaga. Also the conversation about his obsession with the moment of death and how a man faces it after boiling that dude alive. The unspoken conversation in the first meeting between Mariko and Toranaga now clearly being "Help me out and I promise you it will at some point involve your death"
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Sorbus posted:Gaijin was a problematic book but I thought it had good suspense and scheming. whats the plot of the book?
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I'm very interested in what Hiroyuki Sanada might produce next. In the podcast for the final episode he sounded pretty excited about the new possibilities producing opened up for the future.
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Metis of the Chat Thread posted:I'm very interested in what Hiroyuki Sanada might produce next. In the podcast for the final episode he sounded pretty excited about the new possibilities producing opened up for the future. drat, didn't realise there was an official podcast. Is it good enough to be worth going back and listening to now the series is done?
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Tankbuster posted:whats the plot of the book? Westerners wanting to expoit Japan, Samurai class wanting not to go extinct, cutthroat businesses being nasty to each other
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Tankbuster posted:whats the plot of the book? Very broadly it's about the coming end of the Shogunate started by Toranaga in Shogun, with the Emperor potentially about to be restored to "power" (still mostly symbolic), as well as efforts to remove all foreigners from the country. The plot largely covers the differing efforts of activists to achieve their goals, from outright attacks to sabotage/arson and spycraft, as well as those trying to retain or improve their positions (including one of Toranaga's descendants). It brings together descendants of characters from both Shogun and Taipan, with the guy who is supposed to be the next "Taipan" rankling under his mother's control of their business empire because he's not yet old enough to take over, and his relationship with a French woman and her relationship with one of his family's big rivals. I remember enjoying it well enough, but it didn't grip me in the way that Shogun and Taipan did, or even Noble House or Whirlwind which are both good reads but not quite on the same level as the more historic ones. King Rat is its own thing entirely, and stands pretty much alone.
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Metis of the Chat Thread posted:I'm very interested in what Hiroyuki Sanada might produce next. In the podcast for the final episode he sounded pretty excited about the new possibilities producing opened up for the future. If you win, anything is possible.
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stev posted:drat, didn't realise there was an official podcast. Is it good enough to be worth going back and listening to now the series is done? Absolutely, it fills in a lot of extra historical details and has short interviews with cast and production. It's all on youtube as well as whatever podcast apps you use: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIDyzBpnfjqnotNeH1fcGvu6K_BfpjBcN
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Pattonesque posted:you know who else was pretty great was Alvaro. Interesting how they just made him a straightforwardly decent dude. poor guy was heartbroken telling Blackthorne about Mariko's deal at the docks. ??? He was going to kill Blackthorne. He told him this openly. He was heartbroken having to let him live
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Justin Credible posted:??? Yeah, all the Jesuit dudes were sacks of poo poo to various degrees. Turns out being a religious wacko sucks!
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he was heartbroken about Marikos death
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Jerusalem posted:It's in a different country/nation obviously, but I would love to see the creative team behind this show adapt Taipan. Especially since, if I remember right, Clavell himself didn't grasp for the first book at least that Taipan as an expression of respect could actually be read as the locals making fun of the main character directly to his face with a little in-joke only they got? In an interview after the finale aired the showrunners have said if they decide to do another show and FX gives then the ok to, they'd want to do Taipan. And you're right it comes up in The Great House that Taipan does mean Head of the House but more accurately means Head of the poo poo House and was a title given to the guy who cleans outhouses at brothels. King Rat would be an excellent book to adapt as well. There's a good movie adaptation but it's from the 60s so it excises the trans character and the main characters conflicted feelings for her. But keeps the latent attraction between Marlowe(Clavell) and the King Rat.
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he was a decent dude for a jesuit, he'd rather have converted blackthorne and been friends, but was fully willing to stand by and let him die by the order of his superiors. he was touched by how deeply mariko felt for him, but in the patronising way a true believer looks at a poor deluded heretic. there is a chance that if mariko had made the plea directly to him and it was not a deal struck between the jesuits and mariko/toranaga that he would have attempted to warn him and give him an opportunity to escape, leaving the rest to god, but not very likely and he wouldn't ever actively interfere to save him. the talk about "not my god, your god, just god" may have pulled him on side enough for a little more but, not much. i feel like reading him in particular as a pure sack of poo poo jesuit rear end in a top hat is a dire misreading of the character, since the other jesuits are presented as wholly corrupt and financially motivated, while he is presented as a pious and hardworking true believer and busybody, always honest and trying to be a little helpful throughout.
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The cannons were a big red herring all along.
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https://youtu.be/PA98Z3css8M?si=zTdRHLNPnIJ5EjaD Shogun 2 is such a great game and still holds up quite well. i love this video combining all of the faction intros. Its hilarious to me because the dialogue is essentially the same for each faction with just a bit of flavour.
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Yeah, knowing what happens to the Erasmus from the start, it was kinda hilarious seeing newbie Goons getting all excited theorising about it and its cannons blowing the gently caress out of Ishido's castle, or sinking the Black Ship. As for Alvito chat, I feel like this one was a genuinely decent guy, at least compared to the rest of them. The OG series one was much sterner and less sympathetic (but also a smoldering hot dude compared to this younger dweeb with his sad monk bald patch) but ultimately just as honourable in making sure Mariko's final wish was respected. In that version, the explosion blinds Blackthorne for a time so Alvito and the cardinal literally guide him out of Osaka to the waiting ship, and the captain of the Black Ship is killed because he refuses to let them allow Blackthorne to leave. Rodrigues gets the job in his place.
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Sentinel Red posted:The OG series one was much sterner and less sympathetic (but also a smoldering hot dude compared to this younger dweeb with his sad monk bald patch) but ultimately just as honourable in making sure Mariko's final wish was respected. In that version, the explosion blinds Blackthorne for a time so Alvito and the cardinal literally guide him out of Osaka to the waiting ship, and the captain of the Black Ship is killed because he refuses to let them allow Blackthorne to leave. Rodrigues gets the job in his place. you gotta post a pic if you're going to say something like that 
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Know what, i really want to see a 2 and a half hour production with these same characters and actors actually doing Sekighagara in the style of the film Waterloo.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:he was a decent dude for a jesuit, he'd rather have converted blackthorne and been friends, but was fully willing to stand by and let him die by the order of his superiors. he was touched by how deeply mariko felt for him, but in the patronising way a true believer looks at a poor deluded heretic. there is a chance that if mariko had made the plea directly to him and it was not a deal struck between the jesuits and mariko/toranaga that he would have attempted to warn him and give him an opportunity to escape, leaving the rest to god, but not very likely and he wouldn't ever actively interfere to save him. the talk about "not my god, your god, just god" may have pulled him on side enough for a little more but, not much. I might also be misreading it because I thought Ishido was gonna have Blackthorne killed on the way out of Osaka but the Church intervened on Mariko's request also I read Alvaro as a little bit in love with Mariko. But I'm not totally sold on that interpretation
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Pattonesque posted:I might also be misreading it because I thought Ishido was gonna have Blackthorne killed on the way out of Osaka but the Church intervened on Mariko's request ishido doesnt care, the christian daimyo do because the church told them to
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Yeah they've got a stake set up to burn him heretic-style but Alvito nixes it.
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Mauser posted:you gotta post a pic if you're going to say something like that Yeah, 80s Alvito is a dude who looks like a super villain who's pulling a fuckton of strings. Modern Alvito looks like an admin assistant who's out of his depth. Also regarding Blackthorne's blindness in the 80s miniseries, I appreciate how they sort of pay homage to that by having Blackthorne just so broken with shock and grief that he spends the first half of the final episode just awkwardly stumbling around, doesn't look anyone in the face when talking to them or being spoken to, and when he does, it doesn't seem like he actually sees them at all. It left me wondering if he actually WAS blinded in this version too, but then there's a couple of shots from his POV and the answer is clearly no.
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Pattonesque posted:also I read Alvaro as a little bit in love with Mariko. But I'm not totally sold on that interpretation As others have said Alvito is there to spread the faith rather than make money, and he sees Mariko as an important part of those plans. It was never going to make it into the show but I like the passage the book where another priest tips Alvito off that Blackthorne and Mariko are in love. He laments that his plans to make Mariko the first native abbess and to get a local more involved in church operations are potentially falling apart.
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I liked the ending a lot. Some people call it an epilogue, and it kind of is, with the last episode being the real climax. Just and all around stellar show. I do find it funny that they took great pains to properly rename a character and everyone still calls him Yabu. So is Shogun considered the best of Clavell's books or just the most famous?
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I think it's the most famous by virtue of having been the best adapted of his novels.
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Yeah, Shogun was a monster even before the adaptation, selling 6 million copies before the original king series even aired. His first four novels have been adapted; King Rat- which launched George Segal's career and a few Oscar noms. This was his first novel and Clavell said the success and stability it granted him was what finally started helping him recover from his trauma as a POW. He once said he never went anywhere without 2- 3 cans of sardines stashed on his person because he could never put the fear of deprivation behind him. Tai Pan- got a pretty forgettable film adaptation in the 80s. Whole swathes of the film were changed since they needed approval from the CCP. The story is about the founding of Hong Kong and the British led opium trade that necessitated it. Noble House- got a mini series in the 80s starring Pierce Brosnan and John Rhys-Davies. Supposed to be decent but dvd copies are hard to track down. Set in Hong Kong during the 60s, equal parts Mad Men and The Big Short with a splash of cold war espionage. Despite it mostly being written in the 70s covers a lot of factors that would dominate the world economy over the last 40 years. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Shogun and King Rat are Clavell's best books, imo. The others are here and there.
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Burns posted:Know what, i really want to see a 2 and a half hour production with these same characters and actors actually doing Sekighagara in the style of the film Waterloo. I recognised a couple of the same actors in the film "Sekigahara", like the guy who played Ishido played a rugged, trusty, Toshiro Mifune -type no nonsense right hand man to that movies "Ishido", and Toranaga's old advisor who committed seppuku was there too. But it wasn't a particularly good movie. It was ok, I'd say it portrayed the events as they happened pretty accurately to my "has read wikipedia articles concerning the events" conception. In the style of Waterloo? In terms of huge amount of extras capable of military drill? Well let's hope the CCP or North Korea recognise the value of that kind of movie industry. Too bad Waterloo was a flop.
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