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This seems like a good show! My cousin had the book, so I might end up reading this between episodes, cause I can't wait for more. Why did doofus samurai ever offer to end his whole line? I woulda thought plain ol seppuku would be enough repentance for speaking out of turn, without offering to kill his own baby too. (Although I suppose it's in character, the main data point we have about that guy is that he can't keep his mouth shut) mystes posted:Ninjas dressed in black are totally ahistorical so even though they were staple for a long time it's good if they change that for this show It's a really good archetype, though, you can't get rid of it entirely. Stealthy figure all in black silently making his way through the palace, throws little metal stars with lethal edges, master of martial arts. It's a classic for a reason.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Just finished the second episode. This show wields it's bilingual presentation awe-inspiringly well. Although I have to say I didn't realize until the second episode that the "English" they were speaking is actually Portuguese, I thought the Portuguese priests were just talking to the Englishman in English. I finally got it when the priest is talking to Mariko and asking her if she gets more use out of her Latin or her Portuguese and I was like "'or her English,' right? You're talking in English... oh..." Which then made the scene with the map in the sand better, because yeah, Japan is completely isolated from the rest of Europe. It's not like Portuguese merchants are going to tell them that there's even a place called England.
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Feb 29, 2024 06:26
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How does being a missionary to a place like that work, anyway? You show up on a boat, and you just start randomly talking to people like "hey, there's this dude called jesus and he loves you very much"? How does Christianity get a foothold there?
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Feb 29, 2024 06:29
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So hey, for the serial killer goons out there, how awful is it to die from being boiled? Do lobsters die instantly when they get thrown in the pot or is it horrible for them too? 
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Mar 2, 2024 06:34
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Also, did 1600s Japan have any Joe Rogan-style health influencers who recommended drinking the resulting broth for its rejuvenative qualities? I don't know why they don't simply get out of the pot, anyway. What are they gonna do, kill you?
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Mar 2, 2024 06:56
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grobbo posted:
I dunno, that's kind of what Blackthorne's presence represents -- he's telling the Japanese that there's a bunch of other seafaring nations out there, and his country is at war with the Portuguese. I dunno how the letter of 1600s Japanese law works but he might be able to make that case to the lords, that he's just prosecuting his nation's wars. If they weren't already set on killing him for one reason or another, anyway. And that was my read too. In fact, I was like "really? is that a good career move right now?" when he starts up with the simple sailor bit. Like obviously you don't need to tell him that, your position is precarious enough as it is. Don't wanna get boiled, do you?
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Mar 6, 2024 01:14
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Steve Yun posted:Great episode except one thing made me squint The fight scene was oddly subdued, I thought. Blackthorne and Mariko pick up the polearms and don't seem especially skilled or quick with them, just kinda slowly moving em around and slashing people to death. It kinda felt like they needed more rehearsal, like the actors had learned the basic movements in practice but hadn't worked with them enough to swing them fast enough for it to look real.
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Mar 6, 2024 02:55
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So hey, all those samurai who shaved a big patch on the top of their head? Please tell me this was because of a decree from some historical shogun who was going bald and really hated seeing all the young samurai with their thick black hair.
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Mar 13, 2024 01:43
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My head canon is always going to be that the style was started by a cabal of aging, balding lords who got jealous of their hunkiest samurai and made everyone shave the top of their heads so that no one had any more hair than they did. Why was Blackthorne's journal written in Portuguese? Wouldn't have he written in English (and then it would have been an impenetrable enigma to Mariko)
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Mar 13, 2024 02:11
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What the heck was Blackthorne doing with the pheasant? Hang it up til it rots... and then what, eat it?
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Mar 19, 2024 19:07
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roomtone posted:I always just assumed it was something elder officials instituted as a style because a lot of them would be naturally bald anyway and wanted to make it a mark of status rather than a sign of decline. Make the cool young samurai do it too. Even if they said otherwise, 'oh you know the helmet just gets too hot so i shave by choice'. This will always be my headcanon. I asked about it last week and it's called chonmage and it was apparently the style at the time, but there is no evidence you can confront me with that can make me believe it didn't originate with some grouchy, balding old daimyo who was getting jealous of seeing the hot young samurai dudes with their thick black hair getting all the pillow time.
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Mar 28, 2024 18:09
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So no one else thought that was a little much? I couldn't believe the old guy actually went so far as to commit seppuku... just to sell Toranaga's surrender as genuine? The paper of signatures wouldn't be enough? And then the goal was to thoroughly, thoroughly convince his own generals that he was really surrendering? Just...like, yknow, it kinda works in cartoons because the next scene is after the battle and everyone's like "haha good ol' Toranaga, you really fooled us!" but in real life, people are gonna sit there brooding and shaken for days after seeing their lord so determined to surrender that he lets his oldest friend kill himself in front of everyone. And then they're gonna, I dunno, commit seppuku themselves, or leave the camp, or at least their frame of mind is gonna be absolutely ruined by the time Toranaga says "ha ha, I fooled everyone, we're gonna attack!" because now they've spent days mentally preparing for their upcoming mandatory suicides. I mean, Buntaro was about to kill himself already, and Yabu did indeed choose that moment to abandon ship. I dunno, it just seemed a bit too over-the-top.
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Apr 10, 2024 03:40
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snoremac posted:I'm sure this will become clear but I'm curious what Yabu is going to do which will help Toranaga which Toranaga could not have just ordered him to do in the first place. Well, this is kinda what I mean, right? Great job, you've convinced Yabu to abandon you. And now that Yabu has already mentally gone through the process of breaking his ties with you, is he going to be more or less likely to carry out your surprise orders versus if you'd just told him to do it in the first place? It just seems like something that you do in a less heady sort of show, where you aren't really considering a full internal life and persona to all the characters.
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cannot believe i watched that whole drat thing for that many hours and the goddamn aliens were just her father
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