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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > Shogun - Show Gone
 
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mystes
May 31, 2006

 Ninjas dressed in black are totally ahistorical so even though they were staple for a long time it's good if they change that for this show

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mystes
May 31, 2006

Steve Yun posted:

The ending credits have a ridiculous about of Japanese culture accuracy consultants

A friend of a friend was trained in Japanese theater and commented about how authentic the movements were. Something that stuck out to me was the very regimented way how Toranaga moved his robe slack out of the way when he sat down to talk to the dying taiko
It's actually quite remarkable how it looks and sounds almost exactly like a period drama produced in Japan would (but higher budget than it would be if it was a Japanese tv show).

Usually a show produced outside of Japan wouldn't feel like a Japanese period drama even if they put effort into accuracy and there weren't any specific language issues or anything like that.

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mystes
May 31, 2006

Doltos posted:

This show I believe is set mid 1550s which would be right around the time of the first Jesuits getting to Japan like Francis Xavier. Japan was an isolationist nation but they still traveled abroad a ton and just thought he was someone pushing a new Hindu religion. Familiarity leads to acceptance, especially backed by trade which the Portuguese dominated in Asia between them landing in the Mughal Empire and Japan. This led to priests slowly converting local leaders who then converted their subjects and the rest is history. It was basically just like you said, Hey there's a greater power that loves you and accepts you and wants you in the kingdom of Heaven. Pretty easy message to believe in and embrace.
This show takes place in 1600, which is why the jesuits are already fairly established, but before the Tokugawa shogunate, so it's before christianity got banned and isolationism (sakoku) became an official policy (which was basically in response to the type of stuff shown in this show)

Also, as other people said the jesuits used trade, technology, scientific knowledge, etc. to convert people, and at the beginning they would extensively lie about actual christian beliefs to try to make them seem more palatable to local culture/beliefs in Japan and other countries and start to convert people, so it was absolutely not just a matter of saying "Hey there's a greater power that loves you and accepts you and wants you in the kingdom of Heaven"

mystes fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 29, 2024

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mystes
May 31, 2006

Steve Yun posted:

lol all this time all I ever heard about Portugal in Japan was “that’s where the Japanese learned to fry chicken”
Well there's probably a reason for that considering that Japan kicked them all out and ceased trade with them in 1639

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mystes
May 31, 2006

Sorbus posted:

Lone Wolf & Cub movies are must Swatch
As in you look at your Swatch® brand watch and wish they would end sooner?

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