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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

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Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
how much more anti-establishment can you get than killing the queen

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Angepain posted:

how much more anti-establishment can you get than killing the queen

Treasonous Truss

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!




Face down, rear end up.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Angepain posted:

how much more anti-establishment can you get than killing the queen

Oliver Cromwell, the ultimate anti-establishment politician

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008

Skull Servant posted:

I can't believe just how bad it looks. Brexit debates also showed there isn't enough room for all of them.

Don't worry, if an MP wants to speak in a debate they can reserve a seat by going to morning prayers.

https://guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/articles/nXxHboWt/typical-day-in-the-chamber

Speaking as an atheist, this is of course fine and normal.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Of course there's always more
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68831061

quote:

Infected blood scandal: Children were used as 'guinea pigs' in clinical trials

The true scale of the number of medical trials using infected blood products on children in the 1970s and 80s has been revealed by documents seen by BBC News.

They reveal a secret world of unsafe clinical testing involving children in the UK, as doctors placed research goals ahead of patients' needs.

They continued for more than 15 years, involved hundreds of people, and infected most with hepatitis C and HIV.

One surviving patient told the BBC he was treated like a "guinea pig".

The trials involved children with blood clotting disorders, when families had often not consented to them taking part. The majority of the children who enrolled are now dead.

You can understand why successive governments have noped out of poking this hornets nest

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yeah they killed my father with that.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah they killed my father with that.

:( You have my sympathies.

I knew a few people who were infected through Factor 8 when I first started disability activism ~18 years ago. It's loving criminal how the scandal has dragged on so long. I guess the idea is to make sure there are as fewer victims of compensation as possible, as well as making sure those who were complicit have been allowed to quietly die of old age and with their reputations intact.

Changing the subject, Gullis is trending:
https://twitter.com/MittensOff/status/1781016317144748498

e: I thought he'd been booted out of the Tories, but I think I might have just had a premonition to next week during my earlier nap.

https://twitter.com/CameronGarrett_/status/1780863186759041492

That's quite a margin....

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Apr 18, 2024

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It didn't affect me directly, he died when I was too young to remember. Other than like, to the extent that's obviously a direct effect.

But it did indescribable damage to that side of my family. Haemophilia is obviously genetic, and sex linked, recessive on the X chromosome, so XX people often carry it, but don't express it, because they will almost certainly have a working copy of the gene unless both their parents carried it. XY children have basically a 50/50 chance if their XX parent carries it, if you get the good haploid, you're fine and can't even carry it, if you get the bad one, you get haemophilia.

The upshot is that side of my family ended up with a lot of their boys having it, and a lot of the girls carrying it. I think they got very unlucky. The mortality rate of haemophilia itself is pretty horrific, they lost a lot of boys to injury and internal bleeding just from moving around. A lot of the girls went on to have their own boys who ended up with it. Then the infected blood thing happened and it basically wiped out most of that side of the family. Between the various medical causes and several of them taking their own lives out of perceived guilt I think there were only two blood relatives on that side left by the time I was a toddler. My father ended up with Hep C and HIV both of which I somehow managed to avoid contracting in-utero. The bleakly funny bit is the one thing I couldn't possibly have gotten was the haemophilia.

It's still not something anyone will talk about in the family. I mean the rest of that side is gone now, but it's very taboo on the other, they don't like the stigma attached to the diseases. It completely destroyed my grandmother, she went her whole life convinced she was responsible for everything that happened to my father.

I don't know, it's a strange thing to live with, like I'm not personally living with it and it's not like I have another point of reference but having half your parentage being a mass grave of nature's inherent cruelty and the sheer arrogance of the state, it feels strange sometimes. It's strange to be theoretically quite close to that but also distant because everything that remains is structured to wall it off. Almost all the people who could speak from experience on it are dead, and they were crushed into silence when they weren't. So it goes.

Not that it makes me a cynic or anything.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Renfield posted:

Don't worry, if an MP wants to speak in a debate they can reserve a seat by going to morning prayers.

https://guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/articles/nXxHboWt/typical-day-in-the-chamber

Speaking as an atheist, this is of course fine and normal.

fwiw Dennis Skinner used to use that method while not giving a gently caress about God, so it's not like you have to actually pray

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

forkboy84 posted:

Oliver Cromwell, the ultimate anti-establishment politician

Only one out of 59 people who signed the death warrant though. People tend to telescope the Protectorate directly into the Civil Wars like it was Charles versus Oliver mano e mano, it's a bit more complicated than that.

Also he literally became the establishment, you want someone like John Lilburne. Of course like most lefties, Lilburne lost.

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 18, 2024

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

sinky posted:

Brussels proposes free movement deal for UK’s 18- to 30-year-olds

Will starmer shoot himself directly in the dick and balls and come out against this for fear of offending people who will never vote labour?

lmao that the EU threw an olive branch to potentially rejoin at a later date or at least get some of the good stuff back and we promptly spat in their face.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


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fuctifino posted:

Truss gave the Cabinet Office a copy "in good time", sources tell me. But officials did not clear her revealing details of private conversations - including with the late Queen in September 2022.

Liz II: I'll take you down if I have to loving die doing it.

Trusshroom: You feel that fear in your chest? You cannot kill me in a way that matters.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

josh04 posted:

Trusshroom

Not enjoying this Jeff Vandermeer novel tbh

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Nenonen posted:

Okay, what's her username?

I knew banning Pissflaps would have unforeseen consequences

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


feedmegin posted:

Only one out of 59 people who signed the death warrant though. People tend to telescope the Protectorate directly into the Civil Wars like it was Charles versus Oliver mano e mano, it's a bit more complicated than that.

Also he literally became the establishment, you want someone like John Lilburne. Of course like most lefties, Lilburne lost.

I was doing an irony. Like, the notion that Oliver Cromwell was much of an anti-establishment politician is inherently silly. And if I was going to be pedantic, even though the War of The Three Kingdoms period isn't one I'm that knowledgeable on, I'd say that Lilburne wasn't an MP so he can't really be an anti-establishment politician when he fails the second part of the phrase, secondly if I was going to laud anyone from the period unironically it's more likely to be Winstanley than Lilburne. The Diggers were willing to go the extra step & advocate for the common ownership of land.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

forkboy84 posted:

I was doing an irony. Like, the notion that Oliver Cromwell was much of an anti-establishment politician is inherently silly. And if I was going to be pedantic, even though the War of The Three Kingdoms period isn't one I'm that knowledgeable on, I'd say that Lilburne wasn't an MP so he can't really be an anti-establishment politician when he fails the second part of the phrase, secondly if I was going to laud anyone from the period unironically it's more likely to be Winstanley than Lilburne. The Diggers were willing to go the extra step & advocate for the common ownership of land.

You can be a politician without being an MP, unless you think eg Nigel Farage doesn't count. Especially in this period.

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68852522

Reports of an Israeli attack on Isfahan, varying from drones to missiles depending on the report. This one reads like it was seriously rushed to get it out the door.

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts
And the US reportedly just agreed yesterday to give the go ahead to Israel's invasion of Rafah as long as they left Iran alone lmao

I wonder whether Hamas could have known on 06/10 that their actions would take Israel from the brink of having its ethnofascist agenda be formally endorsed by the biggest Arab state and basically being solidified for a generation to becoming a global pariah for a generation.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

Not that it makes me a cynic or anything.

Given that background I really couldn't blame you for being cynical, because Jesus Christ. Even if you're emotionally distanced from the tragedy by time that's loving awful.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1781211880364613645

quote:

In a major speech on welfare reform today, Rishi Sunak will warn that a surge in people signed off sick with mental health conditions is placing ‘unsustainable’ pressure on the welfare budget.

The Prime Minister will say the focus must shift to what work people ‘might’ be able to do, rather than what they can’t, and that people should avoid ‘over-medicalising the everyday challenges and worries of life.’

The speech comes a month after Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride faced criticism for an interview in which he said there was ‘a real risk’ that ‘the normal ups and downs of human life’ were being labelled as medical conditions which then held people back from working.

Mr Stride told LBC Radio this morning: ‘If you look at issues like long-term sickness, disability, and you add up all the costs of all the benefits there, you get to about £69 billion.

‘The most worrying aspect of all of this… is the increased cost going forward. So all the forecasts are for these benefits to be skyrocketing upwards in time. And that is something that we must address. Enough is enough on that one is my message.

quote:

The Prime Minister will say: ‘We should see it as a sign of progress that people can talk openly about mental health conditions in a way that only a few years ago would’ve been unthinkable, and I will never dismiss or downplay the illnesses people have.

‘But just as it would be wrong to dismiss this growing trend, so it would be wrong merely to sit back and accept it because it’s too hard; or too controversial; or for fear of causing offence. Doing so, would let down many of the people our welfare system was designed to help.’

He will say there is a ‘growing body of evidence that good work can actually improve mental and physical health’.

Mr Sunak will add: ‘We need to be more ambitious about helping people back to work and more honest about the risk of over-medicalising the everyday challenges and worries of life.’

The Government said recent NHS data showed almost 11 million fit notes were issued last year, and said many are repeat fit notes ‘issued without any advice, resulting in a missed opportunity to help people get the appropriate support they may need to remain in work’.

Mr Sunak is expected to refer to challenges presented since the pandemic, with the Government saying a ‘significant number of working aged people have become inactive due to long term sickness which has in large part been driven by mental health conditions’.

He is expected to say: ‘We don’t just need to change the sick note, we need to change the sick note culture so the default becomes what work you can do – not what you can’t.

‘Building on the pilots we’ve already started we’re going to design a new system where people have easy and rapid access to specialised work and health support to help them back to work from the very first Fit Note conversation.

‘We’re also going to test shifting the responsibility for assessment from GPs and giving it to specialist work and health professionals who have the dedicated time to provide an objective assessment of someone’s ability to work and the tailored support they need to do so.’

... :(

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Tory policy: 'you lot need to work harder to make us money.'

Labour policy: 'us lot need to work harder make them money.'

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

just ban illness and disability, that should sort it out. I won’t be taking questions at this time

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

forkboy84 posted:

Oliver Cromwell, the ultimate anti-establishment politician

Has nothing on Henry VIII

Starbucks
Jul 7, 2002

Your daily cup of fuck you.
The biggest party in Israel that is not Zionist has about 6% of the votes, it would be interesting to see if this does change in the next elections in 2026. At the moment and previously my own personal thoughts on this is that the responsibility of ensuring a two state solution and not encroaching on the West Bank with settlements, the whole not being able to move through areas and checkpoints outside peoples homes would be for UN intervention and control over this aspect rather than the Israeli government.

A lot of people vote this way because this is what they are taught and settlers pretty much aware of the situation are fine with.

This would never happen with the US and veto power but if things continue this could change - but I wouldn’t expect anything significant before the 2024 election.

Anyway, time to do something a lot more important — listen to the new Taylor Swift album

MrBadidea
Apr 1, 2009

Microplastics posted:

Thank you all.

The reason I'm so concerned is that the Seller's estate agents keep threatening to pull the offer, which made me think this was rare, but now I'm beginning to suspect it's a bluff to just get things moving. I mean, their sales progression team deals with solicitors all the time so they must encounter this a lot, right? Right???

My solicitors did the exact same poo poo yours was, and the seller was pulling the same poo poo on me.

And then when the day came, he'd done gently caress all to actually prepare to move out so I had to sit in the loving rain for like 5 hours watching his kids have to turn up to help him pack his poo poo in a rush at the last minute and bungle it all into a van. They were not happy with his poo poo.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


quote:

We’re also going to test shifting the responsibility for assessment from GPs and giving it to specialist work and health professionals who have the dedicated time to provide an objective assessment of someone’s ability to work and the tailored support they need to do so.

There it is.

They just want to do away with constantly losing tribunals when discounting disability.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

The expensive private school in Plymouth has just invested in new signage

:allears:

Zalakwe
Jun 4, 2007
Likes Cake, Hates Hamsters



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Also, unless you're in a real property hot spot, it's unlikely the offer will get pulled as if they have to go back on the market they're looking at a minimum of another 6 months.

This, I think it's far more likely they are worried you are getting cold feet as interest rates fail to drop.

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


fuctifino posted:

The expensive private school in Plymouth has just invested in new signage

:allears:

If you want the learning, you must get in de pendant :manning:

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Starbucks posted:

Anyway, time to do something a lot more important — listen to the new Taylor Swift album

It's so loving good

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Private Speech posted:

There it is.

They just want to do away with constantly losing tribunals when discounting disability.
The 'specialist work and health professional' I went through tribunal against attempted to ignore all the medical testimony I provided in favour of spending five minutes googling a completely different type of tendonitis and pretending it was that.

This is going to kill sick and disabled people.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
The tories are tired of experts telling the DWP that people can't work.

dadrips
Jan 8, 2010

everything you do is a balloon
College Slice
This government is one of the most nakedly and unashamedly evil in a long time. "Stop whinging and get back to work, disableds! Don't you know that it'll set you free?!"

I have a family member with a lifelong neurological condition that essentially mean they aren't able to work. Every year they and their caregivers have to prove to some handwringing ATOS jobsworth that no, learning disabilities don't actually improve with time.

In ten years I fully expect them to be forced into employment of some kind, whether it's by Keith or whatever scumbag succeeds either him or Rishi.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Being sick is woke

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Microplastics posted:

Being sick is woke

Feeling bad today actually , coughing up a lot of woke fluids

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Solidarity with the ill and infirm.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
yeah we can't trust doctors to be able to evaluate someone's health and recommend a course of action in the best interests of the patient. let's get ATOS or some poo poo to do it they've done great work

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TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Bobby Deluxe posted:

This is going to kill sick and disabled people.
That’s what Rishi has been promised, yes

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