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A mere 8 years after Trump first got elected The King swings in with a sizzling hot take…
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Apr 25, 2024 09:09
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smellmycheese posted:Yesterday. Bloodied Horses running through London. Today the sails of the Moulin Rouge have fallen off in Paris. What omens can we expect next? hoping it's something involving the cerne abbas giant next 
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Apr 25, 2024 09:12
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Coming soon to the Pistol Pete household: Honey, I Woked the Kids!
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Apr 25, 2024 09:12
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I'm just gonna assume he's writing about Starmer
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Apr 25, 2024 09:12
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smellmycheese posted:A mere 8 years after Trump first got elected The King swings in with a sizzling hot take… Who's the real king got in mind?
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Apr 25, 2024 09:13
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It's all the more bitterly ironic because the people consuming this MSM coverage of Gaza as if it's the gospel truth are also those who often get most anxious or angry about Russian disinformation campaigns but hardly seem concerned about the countless examples of pure bullshit hasbara bring breathlessly repeated by the BBC, NYT, Guardian, etc. and then quietly ignored when criticized by everyone who isn't just reprinting IDF press releases. Case in point: the obvious attempts to shut down UNRWA with accusations that are still yet to be substantiated (https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...bf-7dffd6980000). It's also funny that this same media class has been trying halfheartedly to use the disinformation line against critics of Israel by claiming that TikTok is pushing Russian or Chinese disinformation on Gaza but seems to have largely given that up now because Israel is just so blatant that they can't hide it any more.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:13
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Can't say I was expecting the Scottish coalition to collapse this morning. I for one am shocked etc that the SNP seem to be heading to the right. I expect a bit of pantomime is involved here as not only can the Greens make the extremely valid moral point re. the ditching of carbonation targets but they can also better position themselves for next year's election.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:24
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Zalakwe posted:Can't say I was expecting the Scottish coalition to collapse this morning. I for one am shocked etc that the SNP seem to be heading to the right. Can they though? This was the nearest they had to power, it's extremely unlikely they'll be in this position again.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:26
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I think I might get the sack today 
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Apr 25, 2024 09:29
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I'm furiously penning an article titled "Are the Greens About to Become the Lib Dems of Scotland?" and shoving it through the Grauniad's office mail slot
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Apr 25, 2024 09:30
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keep punching joe posted:I think I might get the sack today Conflict or bankruptcy?
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Apr 25, 2024 09:30
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keep punching joe posted:I think I might get the sack today I think posting on here is a protected characteristic.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:34
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Communist Bear posted:Can they though? This was the nearest they had to power, it's extremely unlikely they'll be in this position again.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:35
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I remember when it was my turn to hold the sack, precious memories
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Apr 25, 2024 09:35
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smellmycheese posted:Yesterday. Bloodied Horses running through London. Today the sails of the Moulin Rouge have fallen off in Paris. What omens can we expect next? Ah…. 
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Apr 25, 2024 09:36
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Tesseraction posted:Conflict or bankruptcy? Nothing so dramatic just capitalism.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:42
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Ah, it was the economy, stupid.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:46
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Communist Bear posted:Can they though? This was the nearest they had to power, it's extremely unlikely they'll be in this position again. It depends whether you regard politics as a game to be won or a means to represent what you believe. I personally think it's very, very hard for them to stay part of a government that is essentially shrugging its shoulders on climate targets. Not sure their leadership agreed, although that may be performative, but their membership seems to think so. I anticipate them picking up more of the left's vote at the election on the back of this but lots of wheels still in spin. They could just implode. It's likely being part of the SNP Government won't go down that well at the next election so it depends if they can distance themselves from that gracefully.
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Apr 25, 2024 09:51
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OwlFancier posted:I'm less sure that there is a hard line with millenials too tbh. On a population level people still get a lot less cool as they age. Ha I was already uncool at 20 they can't get me now 
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Apr 25, 2024 09:53
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, this is exactly where my thoughts were. I try to avoid discussing current events with my wife because of this! She very much takes the mainstream media at face value, so where I see deliberately disingenuous, bloodthirsty ghouls pushing a specific dishonest narrative, she sees sensible grownups talking common sense and doing their best to make sure that the public's well informed. I don't think I could be in a relationship where I had to avoid current affairs. Which is probably an unhealthy reflection on me but  Zalakwe posted:Can't say I was expecting the Scottish coalition to collapse this morning. I for one am shocked etc that the SNP seem to be heading to the right. Aye, it was very abrupt considering I saw in yesterday's National (or maybe Tuesdays? I don't know, the days merge into one another) that Humza was just saying that there's no need for a vote from members on continuing the Agreement because he was just elected on a platform of keeping it. Very disappointed to see the SNP leadership bowing to a fringe of loonie conservatives from my neck of the woods. Belter of a statement from Lorna Slater though: "This is an act of political cowardice by the SNP, who are selling out future generations to appease the most reactionary forces in the country," she said. “Voters deserve better, Scotland deserves better. Scottish Green voters certainly deserve better. "They have broken the bonds of trust with members of both parties who have twice chosen the co-operation agreement and climate action over chaos, culture wars and division. They have betrayed the electorate. "And by ending the agreement in such a weak and thoroughly hopeless way, Humza Yousaf has signalled that when it comes to political cooperation, he can no longer be trusted."
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Apr 25, 2024 10:08
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The SNP epitomises why big tent politics is a farce. some of the people in the tent with you are either Tory nutters, homophobic scum, or both
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Apr 25, 2024 10:17
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MeinPanzer posted:I really think that 07/10 and its aftermath has been rapidly driving an even larger wedge in the perception of reality between those under 40 and those over 40. Mainstream media sources often sound absolutely unhinged to anyone with even a basic understanding of the situation in Gaza and access to social media, but boomers are gobbling this coverage right up with minimal critical analysis. Going to add "why are we spending all out time on some tourist trap on the eastern Med while abandoning Are Commonwealth Alloys in Belize and Guyana to foreign aggression" to my list of hot takes to level at potential Tory and Labour canvassers.
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Apr 25, 2024 10:17
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oh wow groggily waking up too late today i skimmed people talking about it and thought the green membership must have had the upcoming vote on the agreement last night and i somehow missed hearing about it. but no it's the SNP throwing out their toys at the suggestion they might have to modify their policies to satisfy the people they're cooperating with. truly the stupidest way for this to go
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Apr 25, 2024 10:22
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https://x.com/scottishgreens/status/1783425288124133501
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Apr 25, 2024 10:24
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dadrips posted:The SNP epitomises why big tent politics is a farce. some of the people in the tent with you are either Tory nutters, homophobic scum, or both Why make the distinction?
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Apr 25, 2024 10:29
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Going back to being the Tartan Tories I see
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Apr 25, 2024 10:37
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Laurence Fox is trending again. I guess it's to do with this: https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1783394461319348292 quote:Today at 2pm the costs order following the libel judgement is handed down. I’ll have sight of it an hour before. 
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Apr 25, 2024 10:39
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Hope he insults the judge and does a parody of a Zulu dance in court again, it works so well for his case.quote:We are left where the legal position in this country is now that the word racist means nothing. Many times we have asked a judge to define it and every time they have refused. Racist is an important word and we all know what it means. 
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Apr 25, 2024 10:45
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quote:I don’t feel sorry for myself at all. Well u probably should
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Apr 25, 2024 10:49
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Angle grinding on a metal codpiece ??? What the gently caress is he on lol Edit: other than cocaine obv
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Apr 25, 2024 10:55
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fuctifino posted:Laurence Fox is trending again. I guess it's to do with this: Does anyone else hear One Winged Angel?
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Apr 25, 2024 10:57
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smellmycheese posted:Angle grinding on a metal codpiece ??? What the gently caress is he on lol https://twitter.com/crystalwillseeu/status/1680988499300720644
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Apr 25, 2024 10:58
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The daily mail is just mad that the little girls aren't in fishnets.
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Apr 25, 2024 11:29
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I'm curious about the fact that the Scottish Government is now a minority administration, with 63 MPs, 2 short of a majority. So they obviously can't automatically pass confidence & supply votes. The next election isn't due until 7 May 2026, & we've never actually had an election outside of the cycle, originally every 4 years & now every 5. Apparently parliament can either be dissolved by a vote of 2/3rds of MSPs, or more likely, if a vote of confidence fails there's 28 days to appoint a new First Minister. And if the Greens aren't working with the Nats, & Alba only have 1 MSP, & the 3 Yoon parties only amount to 57 MSPs combined, so the only viable option would be the Nats working with one of the Yoon parties, & it won't be Labour because there is way too much enmity & fighting over the same voters. And it's hard to imagine it being the Tories, & honestly using the Lib Dems to prop up the government would not be popular. So there'd be an extraordinary election. But (& this is the bit that surprised me) according to the Scotland Act that would only sit until May 2026 before another election, which really seems a bit wasteful really. But the act states that unless an Extraordinary Election is held within 6 months of when an ordinary election is due then they'll hold another ordinary election on the pre-scheduled date.
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Apr 25, 2024 11:31
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forkboy84 posted:I'm curious about the fact that the Scottish Government is now a minority administration, with 63 MPs, 2 short of a majority. So they obviously can't automatically pass confidence & supply votes. The next election isn't due until 7 May 2026, & we've never actually had an election outside of the cycle, originally every 4 years & now every 5. Apparently parliament can either be dissolved by a vote of 2/3rds of MSPs, or more likely, if a vote of confidence fails there's 28 days to appoint a new First Minister. And if the Greens aren't working with the Nats, & Alba only have 1 MSP, & the 3 Yoon parties only amount to 57 MSPs combined, so the only viable option would be the Nats working with one of the Yoon parties, & it won't be Labour because there is way too much enmity & fighting over the same voters. And it's hard to imagine it being the Tories, & honestly using the Lib Dems to prop up the government would not be popular. The SNP has survived as a minority administration before, for confidence and supply, don't they only need for a few MSPs to agree to abstain? Regardless, given that Yousaf is already First Minister I think they technically only need one MSP to vote with them, since there's 129 seats but one is the presiding officer, that leaves 128 and so the SNP's 63 plus one would be a tie. If the Scottish parliament works like the westminster on ties, the speaker/presiding officer would be expected to break the tie in favour of the status quo, which would be the government remaining in office.
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Apr 25, 2024 11:43
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Wasteful it may be, but it sounds a lot better than "every when we feel like it or things have gone totally to poo poo or our polling geniuses say we can use it to our advantage." New pronunciation just dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAek63Gfxhw
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Apr 25, 2024 11:44
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Reveilled posted:The SNP has survived as a minority administration before, for confidence and supply, don't they only need for a few MSPs to agree to abstain? Because of this maths and the fact that Labour and Tories will get performative about coordination I think it very unlikely that the Scottish Government will collapse. I do expect them to struggle to get anything even mildly controversial done though. There's going to be a lot of procedural jiggery pokery.
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Apr 25, 2024 12:00
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Guavanaut posted:Wasteful it may be, but it sounds a lot better than "every when we feel like it or things have gone totally to poo poo or our polling geniuses say we can use it to our advantage."
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Apr 25, 2024 12:03
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Reveilled posted:The SNP has survived as a minority administration before, for confidence and supply, don't they only need for a few MSPs to agree to abstain? Yes, they have survived as a minority administration before. But in 2007-11 they only held on because of an agreement with the Greens, & the Libs & Tories abstaining on the vote for First Minister. And after that by working more closely with Annabel Goldie's Tories than they'd like us to remember in order to get budgets through. The 2016-21 Sturgeon minority was also propped up by a working agreement with the Greens. Now they've alienated the Greens. As for the Presiding Officer, maybe I've missed something but I've just skimmed through the Scotland Act & don't actually see anything that mentions when the Presiding Officer can vote. And all that there is on the job's Wikipedia entry is this line "the convention is that when the presiding officer uses their tie-breaking vote, they do so in favour of advancing debate, but on final ballots, retaining the status quo." But also it's unsourced. I hate government by convention. But anyway, based on that line, yes, if the Yousaf gets Ash Regan on-side then the government should limp on. But it was worth considering at least. It's certainly not outwith the realm of possibility that Alex Salmond still has a grudge to bear & also fancies Alba's chances at a snap election (I have no idea why he would, but then I have no idea why Alba exists so )
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Apr 25, 2024 12:26
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Alba exists cause the SNP weren't terfy enough
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