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Bad Purchase posted:you can knock fascism all you want but i don’t see any human worlds where democracy or socialism are keeping the ruinous powers in check Honestly, in that universe, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The Emperor's whole idea was 'Get rid of all superstition and religious belief and it would starve the bad evil forces that feed on that' and it's basically been outright said that all that would have done is create a new Chaos god representing disbelief. The only way in that universe to not feed Chaos is to be mindless like the space bugs or emotionless like the space terminators. And as the kinky sexgod's creation shows, creating a new chaos god is a REAL BAD SCENE, MAN. Laopooh posted:Anyone have a link to that site with grimdark 40k lore? You mean, like 90 percent of it? Hell, people will grimdark events in the universe even when it's not only not necessary, but it flies in the face of what the characters would do, and even if the writer LIKES those characters. There was a case where some Grey Knights, who are basically humanity's version of super paladins, incredibly strong, none have ever been corrupted by bad things ever, if anyone could be said to be 'good guys' it's them, they ran into a caste of the warrior women who are also part of the human side, the Sisters of Battle I think? And they decided that in order to defeat some forces of evil, the best solution was to kill their own allies and paint their armor with the sisters' blood to make them super extra special holy. This is basically akin to Superman deciding that the best way to fight crime is to cauterize burn off the arms and legs of every criminal he encounters so they can't do crimes any more. And the guy who wrote this was actually a supposed big fan of the Knights, heck I think he was running a large chunk of the show and had written the most recent rules so the Knights were broken AF on the tabletop. At some point, it almost becomes a PMM/compulsion to make it GRIMDARK. Foxfire_ posted:It used to have dwarves on motorcycles, but then got rid of them, so it's bad I think they came back, but they now mainly fly on one man blimp steampunk slash futuretech things as their main gimmick. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Benagain posted:The primarch of the world eaters, the angriest chaos space Marines, is named Angron because the bouncer at a pub the founders went to was called Angry Ron Angron really reads as a case of 'We decided he turned evil in advance, then we had to come up with a reason later, and so let's have one that makes his supposedly divine father look like a complete moron, especially considering what else the emperor did while going around finding his kids'. That being, Angron was leading a Spartacus esque slave gladiator revolt, he and the remains of his army were cornered, and the Emperor and his super elite army of unstoppable juggernaut supermen finally tracked him down and went "Hey I'm your father, time to join me." Angron was "gently caress you man I have never seen, I'm going to stay and die with my comrades in arms." So the Emperor left...and then just before their spaceships left, beamed Angron on board, leaving his army behind to be slaughtered, which basically made sure Angron would never be anything except, well, a very angry Ron who turned to Chaos at the first opportunity and only cared from that day on with slaughtering everything he could find. Stay with Angron and fight by his side? Take his army with him and see how many could be made into space marines? Do ANYTHING besides being an absolutely colossal rear end in a top hat, especially since when he found some of his other kids he did stuff like have drinking contests and hunting challenges? Nope. We made this guy Angry Ron to start, now we need a reason why he's so angry. At least the guy who broke everything got an extended bout of manipulation and mind fuckery. Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:iirc it began as a satirical comment on the thatcher government And the biggest, baddest Ork since the start of the series is named Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka (Margaret Thatcher). Oh, they claim it was just a nonsense name coincidence, but I doubt it. hot cocoa on the couch posted:the fact that gw stuck with it and doubled and tripled down on it instead of retconning poo poo is because their idiot fans took it too seripously I think the problem is, by the inherent nature of the fictional universe, it undermines the FASCISM BAD message, because in reality the point of attacking fascism is to remind everyone, with an anvil if necessary, that the great lie of fascism is that it is strong and orderly, when in reality fascism is cowardly, selfish, self-serving, corrupt, and greedy. Fascism does not fight for “the greater good.” It fights for the exultation of the inhuman, the commemoration of cruelty, and the hatred of the different. Fascism is a loser ideology. This is demonstrated very firmly in Starship Troopers: The Movie, as many would say. And the biggest ultimate point of these things is that if you strip away the propaganda and lies and repression and all that, that everyone in a fascist state is subservient to whoever runs the State, and that person, or group, is often not only no different than all the rabble, but often in many ways, worse, more incompetent, and all around, FAILURES. You can't really apply that to a Shaman avatar supersoul who has literal godly powers, can make armies of normal people die with a gesture or melt the average brain if you look at him when his power is unleashed, even if he's not TRYING to hurt you. Fascism is a system of losers saying they are gods. The guy in charge of the human race's efforts WAS a literal god, and he could make lesser gods that were still leagues above normal humans. Oh sure there's plenty of corruption and nonsense in the universe, especially after the Emperor ended up stuck on his toilet for thousands of years, but even THEN he's still doing godly stuff. Fascism is a method of frauds. If the people on top actually have power, of all stripes, beyond normal humans, and the universe is full of other powers like those, then we start getting into ubermensch style arguments (the actual ones, not the ones corrupted by fascism. Nietzsche's ubermensch concept was that the 'superman's' influence would be inherently positive, not negative, hence why it would be natural for people to follow them), and well, I don't blame plenty of people for missing the subtext because the power fantasy of the text-text smothered it in 'doing it wrong'. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:The primarch of the Iron Hands is named Ferrus Manus Benagain posted:the primarch of the dark angels is named lion el'johnson hot cocoa on the couch posted:(writer of the poem "Dark Angel") This is basically a trend. The guy who oversees the Mongols expy is named Khan, of course (Jaghatai Khan, which I suppose is better than something like "Jengiss Khan") The guy who is in charge of the Blood Angels is called Sanguinius. The guy whose Space Marine's group's hat is fire and forging weapons is named Vulkan. The Chaos Space Marine Primarch whose whole hat is being a sour rear end in a top hat who never spoke up about his issues is named Perturabo (Perturbed). The bad one who got raised on a planet filled with toxic gas that always kept him on the edge of death is named Mortarion. The one whose obsession with religious dogma and people's constant desire for it is named Lorgar (LORE-gar). The twin primarchs who got found last are named Alpharius and Omegon. If this wasn't on the nose enough, it later got retconned that Alpharius had actually been the actual very first Primarch to be found, even before Horus, the main Primarch who got mindfucked into breaking everything, and Omegon was the last one. And the guy who ran the nutcase Batman/Punisher murder-terror vigilantes was named Konrad Curze, which doesn't really have any hammer to the face secondary meaning, it's just incredibly edgelordy. It's a running joke to make fun of the guy in charge of the Ultramarines, Roboute Guilliman's name, rendering it as stuff like "Rowboat Girlyman", but in all honesty we're lucky he's not named Caesar Azurekeen or something like that.
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Horace Kinch posted:Marbo And his first name's Sly. No, I am not joking.
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Vampire Panties posted:One of my favorite parts of warhams is theyre will be things in the lore that are impossibly ancient, utterly indestructable, and completely irreplaceable Ye old gameplay and story segregation. Same logic in how many RPGs literal gods who could destroy the universe are stopped by being reduced to zero hit points like the weakest enemies of the starting zone. In everyone's codex, they're unstoppable juggernauts who smash everything that dares oppose them, and every other side gets to get smashed to show off the qualities of the forces the codex is supporting. Then you switch to another one and now those juggernauts are getting smashed in turn. Lots of "This weapon can cut through armor that should be able to stop moons from crushing its wearer like it's made of paper!" and "This guy picked up this demon who ate ten planets and piledrove him so hard he turned into an accordion!". But you have to have some kind of balance in an actual GAME, so yeah, on the tabletop Orks smash 'em with choppas, which might literally be the most recent sharp and pointy thing they picked up.
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zooted heh posted:I played during the tail end of 3rd edition beginning of 4th. does tau still make the game utterly miserable for your opponent? I think their hat is still generally 'mediocre at close range, much better at long range', but whether it's to a 'miserable' degree I don't know. I think the current game is based around being able to rapidly move troops around, whether they are melee or ranged? naem posted:the actual tabletop gameplay is really poorly thought out and not good or balanced at all and leads to “friends” who’ve a spent over a $1000 on toys they painted for hours arguing until they don’t want to hang out ever again Then they aren't friends you need. Or friends at all, really. A person who treats doing badly in a highly luck based game as a personal attack on themselves is someone that deserves to be left with their expensive toys and no one to interact with unless they learn or try and work on themselves. Though this is the case for just about any fandom: Warhammer just also has people missing the point and thinking that because you can field superhumans with guns that shoot grenades that create black holes and swing swords that can cleave mountains, that space fascism is equally awesome. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Crazy Achmed posted:How do the orks achieve ftl travel, then? Most everything that lets the species in the universe break the laws of physics, space and time is basically fueled by belief and willpower. The Tyranids are a singular hive mind with no deviance so they just brute force their way through, while humanity is fallible and full of flaws so like any machine, many things can go wrong and end in disaster. Orks are much more like tyranids, capable of a literal mob mentality that warps reality itself, something that was literally built into them by their creators. Not WHOLLY ENTIRELY though. I do think it is POSSIBLE for Orks to experience doubt and fear, even in large groups. It takes something EXCEPTIONAL, but it can be done. Tyranids cannot, in any way.
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Improbable Lobster posted:My favourite warhammer character is Ferrus Manus, primarch of the Iron Hands legion. Ferrus Manus, of course, means Iron Hand and the space marines of the legion/chapter replace their hands with iron bionics and follow his teachings, the Iron Creed. They're lead by the Iron Council, which is made up of 40 Iron Fathers and follow the are currently waging the Iron Crusade to save the Iron Guard of Mordia from chaos. Still can't really compare to the Space Wolves and their utter obsession with wolves. There's a reason a meme joke I read about them was saying something like "The best way to wolf a Space wolf is to wolf his wolf. But if he wolfs his wolf first, you are wolfed." Gripweed posted:Corvus Korax chased the Traitors into the Warp and may now be a giant crow Daemon And if he is, he's supposedly so good at it that Lorgar "I wanna worship SOMETHING and if dad won't let me I'll find someone else-Oops half legions go Chaos" Word Bearer (not his last name but I am not going to look it up) won't come out of his house because he's scared Corax will permakill him, or something. TK8325 posted:Waaaaagh!!! I don't know why, but I always liked the name "Killah Kan". Just the name. I am neutral on what those actually are. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Disco Pope posted:My last hurrah for Warhammer is when I got invited over to a guy from Schools house to play but they hid my bully in a cupboard and they beat the poo poo out of me and threw my skavens in the river. Seriously? Disco Pope posted:I got banned temporarily from my local GW because the manager was a STEMlord and I asked him what the hottest part of The Sun was, and when he responded with science poo poo I told him he was wrong and it was Page 3. It took me looking up what a STEMlord is, but I got it. What a humourless prick.
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Captain Invictus posted:wasn't there a bit in the really old books about how the emperor was like, constantly fuckin', like every planet he went to he was getting it on with the locals, which resulted in dozens if not hundreds of literal emperor's children in the galaxy and then there was some secret society tasked with hunting them all down The Emperor has a Text To Speech Device basically says this is true, but that the Emperor was such a godly being that it seemed like all the women he was with died. I suspect the maker, in trying to make the Emperor more 'personable', had to dance around the concept of 'Yeah he somehow hosed a bunch of women to death, somehow', no details on the exact reasons (Text Emperor says "It was all willing, I never forced myself", but even SO, if they all DIED to his knowledge...) It could be that the act was fine but being exposed to 'raw Emperor' was akin to radiation poisoning or something. Something that just popped into my head: okay so the Primarchs are his 20 clone sons, Chaos scattered them all over the universe which led to them having the wide range of upbringings that set up the Heresy...did they ever explain HOW they did that? Were all 20 in some sort of nursery and the Chaos gods popped in and gleefully chucked all the infants into random Warp portals before spray painting CHAOS ROOLZ ANATHEMA DROOLZ on the wall and leaving?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Red is the colour of iron, like in your blood cells Plus, he has to pee, maybe there's a severe rust issue going on.
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