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Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
my grandpa got me podakayne of mars as a kid, and i think spent more time reading the special addendum at the end about the two endings of the book than i did actually reading the book itself

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lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

to sail beyond the sunset wikipedia plot summary

The book is a memoir of Maureen Johnson Smith Long, mother, lover, and eventual wife of Lazarus Long. Maureen is ostensibly recording the events of the book while held in prison alongside Pixel, the cat from The Cat Who Walks Through Walls.

Maureen, born on July 4, 1882, recounts her girlhood in backcountry Missouri, discovery that her family is a member of the long-lived Howard Families (whose backstory is revealed in Methuselah's Children), marriage to Brian Smith, another member of that group, and her life—largely in Kansas City—until her apparent death in 1982. In addition, Maureen lives through, and gives her (sometimes contradictory) viewpoints on many events in other Heinlein stories, most notably the 1917 visit from the future by "Ted Bronson" (Lazarus Long), told from Long's point of view in Time Enough for Love, D. D. Harriman's space program from The Man Who Sold the Moon, and the rolling roads from The Roads Must Roll.

Maureen's adventures include a series of sexual encounters, beginning in childhood wherein, having just had her first sexual intercourse, she is examined by her father, a doctor, and finds herself desiring him sexually. Her story then encompasses various boys, her husband, ministers, other women's husbands, boyfriends, swinging sessions, and the adult Lazarus Long/Theodore Bronson. Additionally, she continues a lifelong pursuit of her father sexually, encourages her husband to have sexual intercourse with their daughters, and accompanies him when he does; but forbids a son and daughter of hers from continuing an incestuous relationship, primarily for the sister's reluctance to share the brother with other women.[1] All of these are set against a history lesson of an alternate 20th century in which a variety of social and philosophical commentary is delivered.

She is eventually rescued from prison by Lazarus Long and other characters of various novels in the ship Gay Deceiver (from The Number of the Beast), and after rescuing her father from certain death in the Battle of Britain, is united with her descendants in a massive group marriage in the settlement of Boondock, on the planet Tertius. Maureen ends her memoir and the Lazarus Long saga with the phrase "And we all lived happily ever after".

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Polycules.... for chuds!

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

in the book "i will fear no evil", a rich old man has his brain/consciousness transplanted into the body of his secretary, a super hot young black woman. however her consciousness is also still in there somehow, although not in the drivers seat, and a lot of the book is conversation between them. the rich old man is horny and sluts it up, discovering that sex is so much better for women. he also ends up having sex a guy who was best friends with the rich old guy, but doesnt know about the consciousness transfer. then he learns about it and is like thats great. then for some reason that guy has a terrible accident and HIS consciousness is transplanted into the hot young black woman, so now it's three people living inside the mind. then they go to the moon or something at the end.

nikosoft
Dec 17, 2011

ghost in the shell, but somehow much worse
College Slice

lobster shirt posted:

in the book "i will fear no evil", a rich old man has his brain/consciousness transplanted into the body of his secretary, a super hot young black woman. however her consciousness is also still in there somehow, although not in the drivers seat, and a lot of the book is conversation between them. the rich old man is horny and sluts it up, discovering that sex is so much better for women. he also ends up having sex a guy who was best friends with the rich old guy, but doesnt know about the consciousness transfer. then he learns about it and is like thats great. then for some reason that guy has a terrible accident and HIS consciousness is transplanted into the hot young black woman, so now it's three people living inside the mind. then they go to the moon or something at the end.

hey, I read this one in middle school, but I think it was by Piers Anthony instead??

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

in the book "farnhams freehold" a group of people (family of four - husband wife son daughter, a lady visitor, and a black (relevant) house servant) are at a dinner party when nuclear war kicks off, and they all go into the bunker. a direct hit seemingly catapults them into an alternate dimension, as when they ultimately emerge from the bunker they are in the exact same spot but it's uninhabited wilderness. they conclude they are in a different reality where mankind never existed. what follows is a mostly entertaining survival story. however there is extremely weird incest stuff like the daughter tells the dad that she would be willing to have sex with him (but not the brother who is an antagonist) to propagate the human race.

and then the turn comes.

it turns out they were actually catapulted into the future, rather than an alternate dimension. in this future world, the nuclear war killed most white people and asians but left black people untouched. black people have established an extremely high tech advanced civilization. however. they also practice white slavery, including the creation of eunuchs. they also use white women as bed warmers. last, but perhaps most importantly, they are cannibals and eat their slaves, and i think there are also some white people who are specifically raised to become meat.

the funniest part of the book is that heinlein goes out of his way to criticize racism and say that it's bad/stupid, but then this is his idea of what it would be like if black people were in charge. great stuff.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

lobster shirt posted:

in the book "i will fear no evil", a rich old man has his brain/consciousness transplanted into the body of his secretary, a super hot young black woman. however her consciousness is also still in there somehow, although not in the drivers seat, and a lot of the book is conversation between them. the rich old man is horny and sluts it up, discovering that sex is so much better for women. he also ends up having sex a guy who was best friends with the rich old guy, but doesnt know about the consciousness transfer. then he learns about it and is like thats great. then for some reason that guy has a terrible accident and HIS consciousness is transplanted into the hot young black woman, so now it's three people living inside the mind. then they go to the moon or something at the end.

this is just the myth of tiresias

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Probably Magic posted:

this is just the myth of tiresias

i think this received more respectful and interesting treatment in ts eliot's the waste land

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

lobster shirt posted:

the funniest part of the book is that heinlein goes out of his way to criticize racism and say that it's bad/stupid, but then this is his idea of what it would be like if black people were in charge. great stuff.

TBF, what you have described seems less bad than western society

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

nikosoft posted:

hey, I read this one in middle school, but I think it was by Piers Anthony instead??

Piers Anthony politics would probably get you banned, or at least it should

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

the number of the beast: an infinite multiverse... for incest

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Probably lucky his balls didn't work

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022
robert heinie

Telluric Whistler
Sep 14, 2008


TANSTAAFL, citizen, but the pussy buffet is free as long as you don't mind your sister's

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Telluric Whistler posted:

TANSTAAFL, citizen, but the pussy buffet is free as long as you don't mind your sister's

thats such a dumb acronym, scifi nerds are so stupid

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

its great that the big 3 golden age sci fi authors were all hosed up sex pests

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
I forget the name, but there was one book where the twins didn't do twincest, but it was because the whole gimmick of the book was that one stayed on earth and the other went to another star system. Now that I think of it, they were psychically linked, so there may have been twincest by proxy. I don't remember and I choose not to look it up.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

my bony fealty posted:

its great that the big 3 golden age sci fi authors were all hosed up sex pests

that's not great, that sounds bad actually

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!
Scifi authors write about how they sexual perverts.

Fantasy authors write about how they are racist.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

thats such a dumb acronym, scifi nerds are so stupid

no such thing as a free lunch

except for landlords

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


George RR Martin was brave enough to do both

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

my bony fealty posted:

its great that the big 3 golden age sci fi authors were all hosed up sex pests

name an award winning sci fi author who isn't a crypto sex pest

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Telluric Whistler posted:

TANSTAAFL, citizen, but the pussy buffet is free as long as you don't mind your sister's

I am upset that this sentence exists

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

name an award winning sci fi author who isn't a crypto sex pest

Ursula Le Guin

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Vernor Vinge

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Maximo Roboto posted:

Ursula Le Guin

:hmmyes:

Maximo Roboto posted:

Vernor Vinge

lol no

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
is this the guy who liked lithe southeast asian boys or am i thinking of another writer

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
Heinlein was the fascist one right

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
socialist turned right libertarian

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

The Oldest Man posted:

name an award winning sci fi author who isn't a crypto sex pest

That guy who wrote the book about using de-aging techniques on the Waffen ss to make them young again so they could defend the Rhine from aliens.

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Al! posted:

is this the guy who liked lithe southeast asian boys or am i thinking of another writer

that was arthur c clarke

asimov was a sex pest/serial groper

and afaik never been anything public about heinlein other than the nasty poo poo he wrote

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?
that 70s scifi book "space relations" that donald barr wrote was a meme for a while based on epstein poo poo but the worst thing about the book is how much it blends in with the other pervert scifi of the 70s, theres nothing remarkable about it in that respect

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSZ_bzudv0

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

my bony fealty posted:

its great that the big 3 golden age sci fi authors were all hosed up sex pests

Only Heinlein's very early stuff is golden age.

Al! posted:

is this the guy who liked lithe southeast asian boys or am i thinking of another writer

Arthur C Clarke

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:

that was arthur c clarke

asimov was a sex pest/serial groper

and afaik never been anything public about heinlein other than the nasty poo poo he wrote

Maybe there is something to be said about being open about being a sex freak. Still glad he didn't have kids

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007


How rampant is pedophilia in Gor?

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Weka posted:

Maybe there is something to be said about being open about being a sex freak. Still glad he didn't have kids

idk, maybe we'll just never know if heinlein acted on his poo poo. asimov was pretty open about being a perv and gave "funny" talks at cons about groping women

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

whipcrack

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

*scrolling through list* uhh guys whose shtick aren't sex-related. Walter M. Miller. Jr. (Catholicism). Philip K. Dick (psychedelics). Larry Niven (right-wing militarism?). Joe Haldeman (pacifism). David Brin (optimism). William Gibson (Orientalism). Dan Simmons (going crazy after 9/11). Kim Stanley Robinson (more optimism).

hmm sci-fi authors really are often weirdo characters

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Maximo Roboto posted:

*scrolling through list* uhh guys whose shtick aren't sex-related. Walter M. Miller. Jr. (Catholicism). Philip K. Dick (psychedelics). Larry Niven (right-wing militarism?). Joe Haldeman (pacifism). David Brin (optimism). William Gibson (Orientalism). Dan Simmons (going crazy after 9/11). Kim Stanley Robinson (more optimism).

hmm sci-fi authors really are often weirdo characters

Out of that list, David Brin, Larry Niven, and Kim Stanley Robinson at least all had extremely "this is my kink" type sex poo poo in their books

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