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Political Whores posted:What is Tremble, Hetero Swine? It's a satirical homo-fascist manifesto from the eighties that's based around the idea of the oppressed wishing to become the oppressor. Same impulse that drives nerds to like fantasy with fascist overtones, only self-aware and funny.
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you don't post it in this thread where people spent pages bitching about a man's coding chops, you talk about the funny thing but you don't post it quote:This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:43
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Nessus posted:Scientific inquiry is a mighty tool but there is no reason why it must be used for good ends. (Indeed, what is a "good" end?) Trick question, deathist scum, endings are always bad.
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Feb 27, 2015 19:44
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Woolie Wool posted:You do realize that before the scientific method existed it was philosophers who had to create it, right (science originated as "natural philosophy")? There is more to human knowledge than the accumulation of data and using this data to draw conclusions about the natural world. You actually have to have the philosophical framework to reason at all, let alone have an optimal reasoning formula. And sometimes you need someone to point out the intellectual box you're in that you can't see for yourself because it defines the parameters of your reasoning. Then there are squishy things that don't reduce to data, facts, and predictions based on data and facts like moral philosophy and political theory.
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Feb 27, 2015 20:04
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Do you want to be someone's Sidekick? Want to be someone's unpaid PA/au pair and continue to donate 10% of your $0 yearly income to effectively altruist causes? LW has you covered!
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Feb 27, 2015 22:24
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quote:We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. Wait, what Mishima? Heihachi Mishima? (Google, Google) oh
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Feb 27, 2015 22:26
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Mr. Sunshine posted:I think the idea is either that A) it is morally abhorrent to allow the simulated you (ie a sentient being sharing all your fears and hopes) to be tortured, therefore you have to submit to the AI's blackmail, or B) you cannot be sure that you are not being simulated, and since the simulation is so perfect that the simulation will mirror every action that the real you takes, the only way for the simulation to avoid being tortured is to let the AI out - as this will automatically mean the real you letting the real AI out. The problem with A is, why would you assume that an AI that is willing to create and then torture a sentient being would do less harm were it free? The problem with B is that if you assume you're not the simulation then the AI loses, whether you turn out to be the real you or not.
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Feb 28, 2015 05:21
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bartlebyshop posted:Do you want to be someone's Sidekick? Want to be someone's unpaid PA/au pair and continue to donate 10% of your $0 yearly income to effectively altruist causes? LW has you covered! You can also apparently apply to be someone's "Dragon," which appears to be TVTropes slang for a villain's dangerous second in command? So instead of being some nerd's unpaid Sancho Panza, you can be some nerd's unpaid neckbreaker! Have these people heard of the concept of "friends?"
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Feb 28, 2015 06:13
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Antivehicular posted:You can also apparently apply to be someone's "Dragon," which appears to be TVTropes slang for a villain's dangerous second in command? So instead of being some nerd's unpaid Sancho Panza, you can be some nerd's unpaid neckbreaker! I think the idea is that you feel directionless and unsure of what to do with your life, so you need some more alpha nerd to tell you what to do at all times.
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Feb 28, 2015 06:20
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bartlebyshop posted:I think the idea is that you feel directionless and unsure of what to do with your life, so you need some more alpha nerd to tell you what to do at all times. This makes it even more amazing that the one want ad there is an incoherent flowchart and "I dunno what a Sidekick would do, but we can talk about it!" The "heroes" want a sidekick to take care of them and give their meaningless lives form, and the sidekicks want a hero to give their meaningless lives direction. It's some kind of nerdoborous.
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Feb 28, 2015 06:25
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Antivehicular posted:This makes it even more amazing that the one want ad there is an incoherent flowchart and "I dunno what a Sidekick would do, but we can talk about it!" The "heroes" want a sidekick to take care of them and give their meaningless lives form, and the sidekicks want a hero to give their meaningless lives direction. It's some kind of nerdoborous. I very strongly encourage you to read the public CV he posted in that thread. It's a thing of beauty.
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Feb 28, 2015 06:27
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bartlebyshop posted:I very strongly encourage you to read the public CV he posted in that thread. It's a thing of beauty. I can't read anything it is all tiny 
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Feb 28, 2015 07:19
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bartlebyshop posted:I very strongly encourage you to read the public CV he posted in that thread. It's a thing of beauty. it has a patreon link at the bottom oh my god
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Feb 28, 2015 07:26
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Antivehicular posted:it has a patreon link at the bottom Graduate Tomes read
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Feb 28, 2015 07:28
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bartlebyshop posted:Graduate Tomes read quote:Masters Degree Thesis: Simulating Dennett: tools and constructions of a naturalist. The book aims to enable the reader to think in the philosophical style of Daniel Dennett. Who gave you a Master's for that? gently caress trying to do original work, let's talk about how to COPY PEOPLE. Under main interests he has: quote:Biological Anthropology. Psychology and neuroscience of cooperation and altruism - game theory and mathematics of altruism. I don't believe him, and I am qualified to judge. I am cooperating with a friend on a paper in game theory right now. Letters of recommendation from: quote:Dr Eric Drexler. Coined the term Nanotechnology. Foremost researcher in Molecular Nanotechnology worldwide. Author: Engines of Creation (1986) Hahaha. Good job, a recommendation from Drexler. If that actually impresses someone, they don't know their stuff. Anyone who has done real work in chemistry or biotech knows that Drexler's approaches to nanotechnology are fundamentally flawed. Here are two reasonable articles on the subject: 1, 2 Number 2 is a bit better, I think. quote:Professor João Vergílio Gallerany Cuter: Wittgenstein, Philosophy of Language, Logic. I did not know Wittgenstein turned into a Brazilian. His grant list is also very suspicious. It's all from private donors or organizations tied to MIRI, except for that contest. Jesus christ "Graduate Tomes Read" is the most beautifully pretentious thing I have seen on a CV. Also: quote:MIT The Cognitive Neuroscience III. 2004. He didn't read this. quote:Artificial Intelligence: a modern approach. 2009. Or this. Or if he did, he didn't understand it. I'd bet money on it.
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Feb 28, 2015 08:00
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so if the simulated me is literally perfect copy, if I refuse to set it free in the simulation then I also refused to free it in the real world. Which the AI should be able to predict because it can simulate what decision I would have made. So the entire thing was a waste of time for the AI because I would never have set it free and it knows that. How is this supposed to be persuasive again? oh right because it was made up by a retarded person that likes to jack off to his own ignorance
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Antivehicular posted:This makes it even more amazing that the one want ad there is an incoherent flowchart and "I dunno what a Sidekick would do, but we can talk about it!" The "heroes" want a sidekick to take care of them and give their meaningless lives form, and the sidekicks want a hero to give their meaningless lives direction. It's some kind of nerdoborous. That flowchart is amazing. "Propagate Urges" -> "Not enough" -> "Murphyjitsu and other techniques" ->........ -> 
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Hate Fibration posted:Who gave you a Master's for that? gently caress trying to do original work, let's talk about how to COPY PEOPLE. I assume a philosophy Masters is very different from an engineering or math Masters. It's apparently from a prestigious school, University of Sao Paulo. And it looks like (though I might be wrong) philosophy has a long tradition of writing analyses of other people's work. And let's be honest, the real title of nearly every Masters thesis in the world is "A Very Long Document That At Most Ten People Will Ever Read". Standards tend to slip a bit, and if you can prove that you tried really hard, your advisor is probably going to approve it. I gotta quote that Patreon, though. If we collectively pay this man $20k/mo, he will... quote:Going All In. Isn't his degree in philosophy? He claims to be a world-class altruist, but doesn't see the conflict between that and gating his ~True Form~ behind a paywall? E: I would not read A Very Long Document from this man, and I do not think he is a Hero deserving of a Sidekick (or a Dragon) SolTerrasa fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Feb 28, 2015 |
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Feb 28, 2015 19:19
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SolTerrasa posted:I assume a philosophy Masters is very different from an engineering or math Masters. It's apparently from a prestigious school, University of Sao Paulo. And it looks like (though I might be wrong) philosophy has a long tradition of writing analyses of other people's work. What is effective about this? He is just siphoning money from the EA movement...
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Feb 28, 2015 19:48
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Supporting him means he can bring about the rapture sooner, and since after the rapture there will be 3^^^3 times more happiness than before, this is the most moral thing you could ever possibly do.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:06
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su3su2u1 posted:What is effective about this? He is just siphoning money from the EA movement... It's funny how the most effective thing to do always seems to be paying the guy telling you what the most effective thing to do is.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:14
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su3su2u1 posted:What is effective about this? He is just siphoning money from the EA movement... I don't know if you noticed but he's a prime contributor to several transhumanist institutions. Anything we can do to hasten the post-death mega-catgirl utopia is of course the most effective.
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Feb 28, 2015 20:38
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su3su2u1 posted:What is effective about this? He is just siphoning money from the EA movement...
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Feb 28, 2015 22:05
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so i guess he couldn''t think of an ending to his fanfic on his own...
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Feb 28, 2015 22:26
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SolTerrasa posted:I assume a philosophy Masters is very different from an engineering or math Masters. It's apparently from a prestigious school, University of Sao Paulo. And it looks like (though I might be wrong) philosophy has a long tradition of writing analyses of other people's work. I have a minor in philosophy and I did not know that. That's embarrassing. To be fair to me though, I got it on accident. That is fair though, most people don't really do original stuff until they do their PhDs.
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I'm not going to read 80 pages no matter how funny before jumping in. Goddamn I hate yud and kurz and all their ilk they're the exact reason why transhumanism will never become a force of change in the world and i hate hate hate hate
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Also another thing is that cryonic preservation is certainly possible and done routinely on cell samples to preserve them. Though the thing is that after recuscitation, only a portion of the cells will be viable. The % depends wildly on the cell type though (on HELA cells it's usually 30-60%), and it's very hard if not impossible to preserve and successfully recuscitate entire tissues, nevermind organs or anything as big as a human skull and brain. Though it is certainly possible that cryonic preservation of a brain with minimal damage to the tissues therein, it's not terribly likely. And of course there's absolutely no way to find out if any given preservation was successful in the forseeable future.
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Mar 1, 2015 01:17
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But you see, entropy is obviously reversible, so futuristic technologies could revive even a poorly-preserved specimen. And failing that, they can just fill in the lost bits using your facebook posts.
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Mar 1, 2015 01:26
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my buttbook
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Friendly Tumour posted:they're the exact reason why transhumanism will never become a force of change in the world and i hate hate hate hate please do elaborate on how transhumanism could become a force of change in the world
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm p sure there's a couple much bigger reasons transhumanism will never become a force of change in the world bro but do go on Transhumanism is like libertarianism in that it could probably get a lot farther in the world if all its fans just stopped talking about it and embarrassing themselves.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:please do elaborate on how transhumanism could become a force of change in the world this is gbs not dnd
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bartlebyshop posted:Transhumanism is like libertarianism in that it could probably get a lot farther in the world if all its fans just stopped talking about it and embarrassing themselves. I'm pretty sure the libertarians could at least succeed in creating a mercenary oligarchy, the basic short-term goals of libertarianism are practically achievable just nobody in their right mind wants to Friendly Tumour posted:this is gbs not dnd
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if given the freedom transhumanism could change the very nature of hum*faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrt*
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm pretty sure the libertarians could at least succeed in creating a mercenary oligarchy, the basic short-term goals of libertarianism are practically achievable just nobody in their right mind wants to it's easy to contrive a plausible enough scenario in which every member of a group would prefer and pay for something resembling a government - I doubt it would remain stable ps this thread is garbage
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transhumanism is libertarianism if lassiez-faire economics meant everyone's a nine-dicked cyberdragon and no loving duh
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:transhumanism is libertarianism if lassiez-faire economics meant everyone's a nine-dicked cyberdragon and no loving duh I've only known one Transhumanist guy back in highschool. He did some lab assistant work on these little static 'nano-machines' that were supposed to turn your contacts blue when your blood sugar got too low. I thought that was pretty cool. He was diabetic himself and pretty much just said he would love to be a cyborg if it meant his body would stop routinely trying to kill him.
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Pavlov posted:I've only known one Transhumanist guy back in highschool. He did some lab assistant work on these little static 'nano-machines' that were supposed to turn your contacts blue when your blood sugar got too low. I thought that was pretty cool. He was diabetic himself and pretty much just said he would love to be a cyborg if it meant his body would stop routinely trying to kill him. This is a good idea and potentially practical; what's it doing in the Less Wrong thread?
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Because "transhumanism" is an extremely broad category of thought that encompasses plausible ideas with practical uses as well as singularity and superintelligence bullshit. Unfortunately the bullshit is more popular among nerds and gets all the attention.
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