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Lycus posted:You're saying this series is gonna have a happy ending? Everyone on Westeros dying or being enslaved is a happy ending? Oh right, Littlefinger and Varys get away, but Sansa gets mauled and eaten by Arya's direwolf and Little ringer has to settle for marrying Arya instead.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm sure this is good stuff...but within the first two paragraphs he seems to have not acknowledged that "I'll go to these conventions if I finish the book first" was a really really obvious joke by GRRM. I like how most people just assume he is using the two weeks he's opened up skipping the cons to write TWOW. Sweet summer children. Damned grammar. Woodpile fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 25, 2015 |
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Mar 25, 2015 01:13
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AtAt-de-fay posted:I like how most people just assume he is using the two weeks he's opened up skipping the cons are going to be used to write TWOW. Sweet summer children. I can see how that implies that he's writing but there's a fort knox full of things that imply he's writing and he's not.
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Mar 25, 2015 01:15
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Even IF Winds of Winter comes out in mid 2016 that means that Season 6 will be finished. Which means the TV got the plot points first. And then there's a Dream of Spring which... hah. hahahah
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Mar 25, 2015 03:05
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I will get through my entire 5-year contract with the military before GRRM publishes another loving novel in this series. Maybe even a re-up, too.
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Mar 25, 2015 04:30
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Mike N Eich posted:Ros was an interesting idea, it gave the tv watcher a neat way to tie all these disparate characters together while being a quasi social climber. Then they abruptly ended that and killed her. I remember watching that Ros/Littlefinger scene and wondering what the gently caress was going on, because it was early in season 2 and Aiden Gillen had just changed his accent for no reason. And then they did one of those "Inside the episode" clips, and David Benioff said something like "Yeah Littlefinger is really clever and pleasant, but we felt like we had to remind everybody that he's really just a pimp, so we had him threaten this whore because that's what pimps do." This was after the really dumb "Littlefinger threatens Cersei in public for no reason" scene but before the really dumb "Littlefinger hits on Catelyn in a tent with her husbands bones in it" scene.
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Mar 25, 2015 04:44
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Intel&Sebastian posted:All that just because they are too loving lazy to read a book, I'd really like to know how many words the TV threads are up to now and compare that to the number of words in AsoIaF up to this point.
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Mar 25, 2015 11:28
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I have a bold new Game of Thrones theory for you. It's pretty widely accepted that the main story of Starks v Lannisters was based of the War of the Roses with the Yorks v Lancasters. Following the end of this war, Henry VII and then Henry VIII took to the throne of England. Henry VIII is of course most famous for having six wives, and their fates are listed in a rhyme of "Divorced, Beheaded, Died, Divorced, Beheaded, Survived". Six wives of Henry VIII - six Stark children with their wolves. Coincidence? Well, Grey Wind and Lady were both beheaded, and Nymeria has been separated or "divorced" from Arya since the first book. It all seems pretty clear to me.
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Mar 25, 2015 14:07
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The books are like two times the size of regular books, so they take a while to write you see.
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Mar 25, 2015 14:20
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Yeah, and it's not a linear relationship either. Everyone knows that each page past 'normal book' length takes exponentially more time to write.
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Mar 25, 2015 14:40
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Even with the dragons as a convenient plot shortcut ("everything gets burned / eaten, The End"), it's hard to see how he can wrap up all of the existing plot lines in two more books without it seeming even more contrived than it otherwise would as a work of fantasy fiction.
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Mar 25, 2015 15:26
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words are wind you guys.
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Mar 25, 2015 15:41
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And yet the whole problem is Winds' lack of words.
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Mar 25, 2015 15:52
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words aren't (in) winds you guys.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:02
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Sheikh Djibouti posted:Even with the dragons as a convenient plot shortcut ("everything gets burned / eaten, The End"), it's hard to see how he can wrap up all of the existing plot lines in two more books without it seeming even more contrived than it otherwise would as a work of fantasy fiction. There's only like 3-4 people in Essos that people care about and 3 of them are in the same general vicinity (Slaver's Bay), so they can head back fairly easily. In Westeros you have most people either in the King's Landing area (including Aegon) or between Winterfell and the Wall. The rest of them are plot exposition POVs (Bran, Sam) or are quickly going to have their conflicts resolved (Jaime). It's pretty easy to only have two general locations at the end of Book 6, and that's without considering that the Wall is probably coming down anyway.
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Sheikh Djibouti posted:Even with the dragons as a convenient plot shortcut ("everything gets burned / eaten, The End"), it's hard to see how he can wrap up all of the existing plot lines in two more books without it seeming even more contrived than it otherwise would as a work of fantasy fiction. Yeah I'm pretty sure its a 8 book minimum to do it right, but well... GRRM would be like 80 at that point, and people really hit a wall around then. Mental faculties often slip, etc. I just don't think he can do it.
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Yeah just imagine if he got senile and did something like forget to put a climax into a book or spend a whole page describing a character making GBS threads on stuff because she ate shitberries
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Mar 25, 2015 18:44
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Potooweet posted:I remember watching that Ros/Littlefinger scene and wondering what the gently caress was going on, because it was early in season 2 and Aiden Gillen had just changed his accent for no reason. And then they did one of those "Inside the episode" clips, and David Benioff said something like "Yeah Littlefinger is really clever and pleasant, but we felt like we had to remind everybody that he's really just a pimp, so we had him threaten this whore because that's what pimps do." God they did a poor job with Littlefinger. Most viewers probably didn't even notice the Jon Arryn reveal in the Eyrie, too. He's just some creep that's really into Sansa. I'm not looking forward to their original writing in the next few seasons, but at least we'll get an ending.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:48
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That might be kind of interesting actually. I could imagine him abandoning traditional plotting altogether, while at the same time getting lost in detail, rambling and allusive, resulting in a kind of Gravity's Rainbow of pulpy fantasy.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:49
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I'd be really impressed with any show-only person remembering the whole Jon Arryn thing. And I wouldn't blame them at all, that's a hell of a callback on top of the meat of JA's story being in the first couple of episodes where you're already trying to figure out who's names you really need to remember.
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Mar 25, 2015 18:52
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i started rereading these books for some reason, what's wrong with me? finally I can reread the R+L=J stuff and see where the implications comes from
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Mar 25, 2015 18:56
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'd be really impressed with any show-only person remembering the whole Jon Arryn thing. And I wouldn't blame them at all, that's a hell of a callback on top of the meat of JA's story being in the first couple of episodes where you're already trying to figure out who's names you really need to remember. He's the guy who ties together the fat guy who dies at the end with the Sean Bean character who dies right after him but is never actually shown. Something about a strong seed, maybe related to those weirdwood trees. Zero relevance after that.
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Mar 25, 2015 19:25
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Elman posted:God they did a poor job with Littlefinger. Most viewers probably didn't even notice the Jon Arryn reveal in the Eyrie, too. He's just some creep that's really into Sansa. They've completely botched Littlefinger and it's shocking because they've done such a good job with nearly every other major character and have a great actor in Aiden Gillian. He varies between "stupidly obvious supervillain" and "extra creepy pedophile" without any charm or grace. It's hard to tell if it's the writing or Gillian hamming it up unnecessarily or what.
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Mar 25, 2015 19:28
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Mike N Eich posted:They've completely botched Littlefinger and it's shocking because they've done such a good job with nearly every other major character and have a great actor in Aiden Gillian. He varies between "stupidly obvious supervillain" and "extra creepy pedophile" without any charm or grace. It's hard to tell if it's the writing or Gillian hamming it up unnecessarily or what. Littlefinger is all about subtlety and that's something the show in general does very poorly.
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Gillian was the perfect Littlefinger on paper, and he's a good actor generally, I reckon it must be the writing. He can also do American, British, whatever accents, so gently caress knows what's up with that.
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Mar 25, 2015 20:08
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"Your sister."
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The march towards death via peak fuckery continues: Hey, but HBO said they're willing to go 10 seasons. GRRM's got this guys. He'll have it done by this summer and he'll go the cons and he'll finish DoS and it'll all be good. Think positively.
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Elman posted:God they did a poor job with Littlefinger. Most viewers probably didn't even notice the Jon Arryn reveal in the Eyrie, too. He's just some creep that's really into Sansa. I'm not sure how this could be missed unless someone just doesn't see the episode. I actually think he's one of the best characters on the show, him and Varys. He certainly looks exactly like I pictured LF. Are there big departures of Show LF from Book LF? I haven't read this series in a couple years now.
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Ross posted:I'm not sure how this could be missed unless someone just doesn't see the episode. A lot of viewers won't remember the Jon Arryn plot or realize why that it's a big deal. The show certainly didn't make a big deal out of that reveal, and they've been messing up Littlefinger's characterization all along. It's a shame because other than him they've been knocking it out of the park with every character. I'm gonna miss Tywin, all of his scenes were gold.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:26
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I thought it could be pretty easily missed if you aren't real clued in. Lysa rattles it off in the middle of her crazy poo poo right before her moon door adventure.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:28
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Want that the finale for whatever season that was in? I'm fairly certain most show watchers at this point know poo poo goes down in like the last few episodes ofa season
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Luna Was Here posted:Want that the finale for whatever season that was in? I'm fairly certain most show watchers at this point know poo poo goes down in like the last few episodes ofa season It was in one of the later episodes of Season 4 but I don't think it was the finale. Edit: Episode 407 according to Wikipedia
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Mar 26, 2015 03:44
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Lysa nonchalantly confesses to Jon Arryn's murder in Season 4, Episode 5. She gets pushed out of the Moon Door after Littlefinger says "your shishter" in Episode 7.
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In It For The Tank posted:Lysa nonchalantly confesses to Jon Arryn's murder in Season 4, Episode 5. She gets pushed out of the Moon Door after Littlefinger says "your shishter" in Episode 7. In all fairness, nobody gave a poo poo about who really killed Jon Arryn in the books either.
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nine-gear crow posted:In all fairness, nobody gave a poo poo about who really killed Jon Arryn in the books either. wasn't it pretty much all about why he was killed
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Mar 26, 2015 04:36
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Sweet summer child...these books aren't about anything. Except maybe lemoncakes and other assorted GRRM fantasies.
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Luna Was Here posted:wasn't it pretty much all about why he was killed Yeah. In AGoT, it was all about how Jon Arryn was killed because he figured out Joffrey/Myrcella/Tommen were incest bastards and was gonna spill the beans to Robert. The blame was pinned on Jon's retainers, who were all subsequently offed by the Lannisters ala Ser Hugh of The Then in ASoS, suddenly it's Lysa who poisoned Jon on Littlefinger's urging because she believed he'd bang her if she wasn't married anymore. And I guess that "The Lannisters killed Jon, they're all evil" letter to Cat was just a lie to cover her crazy rear end. Or something LF told her to write as just another step in his plan to get Cat by any means necessary... even starting a loving war for her. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 26, 2015 |
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Mar 26, 2015 04:45
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yeah the letter to cat was just to start poo poo up so littlefinger could see what happens and try to advance himself
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Luna Was Here posted:wasn't it pretty much all about why he was killed Mark our words, the end is going to be a shaggydog anticlimax. There's no other way it can realistically go, and we'll endure assholes talking about "it's not the destination, but the journey" and "it's more like real life that way!' from here to eternity the same way we do every form of serialized fiction with an ending (but particularly TV-style poo poo like LOST, BSG, X-Files, and especially ASoIaF from acclaimed TV writer GURM). ------------- I spoiled Arya going blind on reddit today. Felt good. Felt right.
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are there any good spoilers I can fit into 16 letters (including spaces)? I need a new league of legends name
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