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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am going to set a table top RPG in the rich fantasy world of Macondo Actually sounds cool, but use Hillfolk or Heroquest please.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:what does that even mean? An interest in rules and frameworks? So I think less of an interest in how life is, or in human relations, but in creating new rules for life so you don't have to understand the world you live in. Maybe. I'm guessing. e: Yeah, treating literature as if it was RPG combat.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:14
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Lightning Lord posted:Actually sounds cool, but use Hillfolk or Heroquest please. I was being outrageously facetious
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Jul 8, 2016 21:17
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BorgesQuest table top d-12 campaign system with Aleph world expansion booklet
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I was being outrageously facetious No loving poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:23
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Worldbuilding in genre fantasy is usually "wouldn't it be cool if...", in lit it's more like "what if.."., I don't think anyone has problems with imaginative worlds per se. I mean, off top of my head: Infinite Jest is scifi, Against the Day (Pynchon) has steampunk stuff, The Road (McCarthy) has extremely trendy dystopian/apocalyptic setting and Jose Saramago could be called fantasy author. Borges and others too. They aren't poo poo tough and they sure as hell don't even know what worldbuilding is
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Jul 8, 2016 21:24
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Mel Mudkiper posted:BorgesQuest table top d-12 campaign system with Aleph world expansion booklet --The Garden of Forking Paths Module, Game Masters' Chapter
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you're going to wish you all were more interested in world building when i throw your pasty asses into solitary confinement in nerd jail, and imagination is your only escape.
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Tree Goat posted:you're going to wish you all were more interested in world building when i throw your pasty asses into solitary confinement in nerd jail, and imagination is your only escape. That was Tolkien's reasoning for why the likes of the evil, cruel posters in this thread oppress the fantasy reader so terribly.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:29
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Lightning Lord posted:Actually sounds cool, but use Hillfolk or Heroquest please. Sci-Fi fans have kind of become a new form of Poe's Law after Abalieno I am afraid I feel obligated to take all statements as sincere
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Jul 8, 2016 21:32
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Sci-Fi fans have kind of become a new form of Poe's Law after Abalieno I am afraid That guy is the worst, I don't blame you. I legit think a magical realism game in an RPG would be fun, but I also have no doubt that you were being 100% facetious and have no interest in that.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:34
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Lightning Lord posted:That guy is the worst, I don't blame you. The Player's Handbook of Laughter and Forgetting
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Jul 8, 2016 21:50
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Roll D20 to determine chance of crying tears that smell of your lover's breath
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Jul 8, 2016 21:52
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When I praise world building, I am praising the ability for the writer to show the 'world' without exposition dumps. This is difficult for nerds, hence literature doesn't receive the same. Almost every SFF manuscript I get sent has exposition for the first 10 pages.
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Jul 8, 2016 21:56
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You open the chest to find a pen that can write only the dreams of soldiers who died away from home +1
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the_homemaster posted:
I bet that stuff sells though right? (Assuming it's marketed as a world building fantasy masterpiece, vol 1 of 6)
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Ok, so I want to read some historical fiction. I'm thinking I should start with something by Henryk Sienkiewicz. Alternatively, I recently bought a copy of Ivanhoe at a yard sale. Also the guy who posts those long screeds about how Rothfuss is a literary terrorist is constantly championing a book called the Egyptian, by Mika Waltari. Any of you ever read this? Any other suggestions? Although I'm most in the mood for early modern period and before, anything's fine really.Solitair posted:The Player's Handbook of Laughter and Forgetting Mel Mudkiper posted:Roll D20 to determine chance of crying tears that smell of your lover's breath Mel Mudkiper posted:You open the chest to find a pen that can write only the dreams of soldiers who died away from home +1 So do you want additional mechanics credits, or...? Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 8, 2016 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Ok, so I want to read some historical fiction. Any other suggestions? Admittedly I am not the biggest fan of historical fiction but my go-to is always EL Doctorow
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Admittedly I am not the biggest fan of historical fiction but my go-to is always EL Doctorow I've actually always meant to read Ragtime.
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Lightning Lord posted:I've actually always meant to read Ragtime. Its really really good even though the historical "cameos" can be sometimes really obnoxious Ta-Nehisi Coates did a pretty great tribute to the book when Doctorow died.
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Since I just posted on it - for historical fiction, so far I can recommend Crimson Petal and the White by Michael Faber. Dickens whilst accepting that prostitutes have sex for cash and need to attend to ablutions.
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Lightning Lord posted:Ok, so I want to read some historical fiction. If Ivanhoe taints your vision of the Middle Ages 'The Name of the Rose' is a great antidote
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Jul 8, 2016 22:42
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Solitair posted:So where do I start on Richard Powers? I looked up all his books and it seems like Plowing the Dark and The Time of Our Singing interest me the most conceptually. I have now discovered that Richard and Tim Powers are different people. 
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So it seems like The Vegetarian is pretty universally liked around here? Think I might pick it up next week.
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Yo make some room in the Vann Van, I'm hopping in. Just finished Aquarium. So sweet and so savage.
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knees of putty posted:Since I just posted on it - for historical fiction, so far I can recommend Crimson Petal and the White by Michael Faber. Dickens whilst accepting that prostitutes have sex for cash and need to attend to ablutions.
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Lightning Lord posted:Ok, so I want to read some historical fiction. I'm thinking I should start with something by Henryk Sienkiewicz. Alternatively, I recently bought a copy of Ivanhoe at a yard sale. Also the guy who posts those long screeds about how Rothfuss is a literary terrorist is constantly championing a book called the Egyptian, by Mika Waltari. Any of you ever read this? Any other suggestions? Although I'm most in the mood for early modern period and before, anything's fine really. How serious you want your historical fic? Sienkiewicz is good but he won't dazzle you, he's more like a proper old-school historian with some great writing chops instead of somebody like Amin Maalouf who cares more about entertaining the reader. I've been thinking about Waltari, but he seems to be all about re-creating history, i.e., worldbuilding, which is less interesting to me. Maurice Druon is the one for action-y novels of the era (ok, Hundred Years War) that still manage to rise above hack and slash. Or, if you prefer historical novels that are really about something else, check out Kadare's The Siege and Pamuk's My Name Is Red. Ivo Andrič's The Damned Yard is really good, too, and unfortunately half-forgotten. Also, in before Graves, Yourcenar and Renault gets mentioned.
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Lightning Lord posted:Ok, so I want to read some historical fiction. I'm thinking I should start with something by Henryk Sienkiewicz. Alternatively, I recently bought a copy of Ivanhoe at a yard sale. Also the guy who posts those long screeds about how Rothfuss is a literary terrorist is constantly championing a book called the Egyptian, by Mika Waltari. Any of you ever read this? Any other suggestions? Although I'm most in the mood for early modern period and before, anything's fine really. please read hadji murad
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:So it seems like The Vegetarian is pretty universally liked around here? Think I might pick it up next week. No it's terrible, read Malazan instead. There's far more elf wizards and sword fights and each one is 800 pages long!
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Burning Rain posted:
Good "world-building" is just a tool for storytelling, and Waltari indeed never uses it anything but in service of the story. The Egyptian, for example, actually uses the ancient world to look at the 20th Century. When the book arrives at the ancient Hittite Empire, for example, it's a rather obvious stand in for Fascism: quote:“Have your gods nothing to say about this? In other countries it is often they who determine what is right and what wrong.” (If I get a non-Finn to read The Egyptian in tyol 2016 then my posting career is complete) BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jul 9, 2016 |
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I've heard that this is really bad and the few excerpts I've read from it are not encouraging The reviews I've seen are positive, but I'm sure you're more on the pulse than me. So far I'm enjoying it for its ridiculing of Victorian man. I can see it being disliked for being puffed up.
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knees of putty posted:Making a feature of it seems to ignore the fact that any work of fiction creates a world. Actually, no work of fiction creates a world
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A human heart posted:Actually, no work of fiction creates a world Well OK, a work of fiction creates a simulacrum of the world.
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Waltari was suggested to Nobel committee at his time but they pretty much laughed it off and considered him lovely entertainment for masses, like older Ken Follet and Bernard Cornwell
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Good "world-building" is just a tool for storytelling, and Waltari indeed never uses it anything but in service of the story. The Egyptian, for example, actually uses the ancient world to look at the 20th Century. When the book arrives at the ancient Hittite Empire, for example, it's a rather obvious stand in for Fascism:
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Why does the excerpt sound like it's from a fantasy novel?
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Enfys posted:Why does the excerpt sound like it's from a fantasy novel? Maybe the author reads a lot of fantasy novels and likes the style.
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mallamp posted:Worldbuilding in genre fantasy is usually "wouldn't it be cool if...", in lit it's more like "what if.."., I don't think anyone has problems with imaginative worlds per se. I mean, off top of my head: Infinite Jest is scifi, Against the Day (Pynchon) has steampunk stuff, The Road (McCarthy) has extremely trendy dystopian/apocalyptic setting and Jose Saramago could be called fantasy author. Borges and others too. They aren't poo poo tough and they sure as hell don't even know what worldbuilding is Really, all books are fantasy because nothing actually exists
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Watching you guys make fun of fantasy is like listening to the band kids make fun of the anime club
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blue squares posted:Watching you guys make fun of fantasy is like listening to the band kids make fun of the anime club that was my point on the last page but it seems to have gone over mallamp & co 's heads
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