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Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

Ytlaya posted:

It's been amazing how much the media has been flipping out over her. I can't count the number of articles I've seen that are negative about her in some way.

idk if i'm

--getting old enough to see the arc of history curve within my lifetime
--getting fed up with everything
--or if 2016 legitimately ruined everyone's brain at nyt/wapo at a time when they fired every single ombudsman and public editor

but this is some sub-Xinhua levels of fix in the news coverage. its not even subdued liberal pearl-clutching pining for ideals that never were, its just overt puppetry and marketing applied to politics at this point.

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Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

�Men like Brooks know, literally, nothing.� lmao

https://twitter.com/jedediahspurdy/status/1028749579141955585?s=21

# ? Aug 13, 2018 02:21

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Willie Tomg posted:

idk if i'm

--getting old enough to see the arc of history curve within my lifetime
--getting fed up with everything
--or if 2016 legitimately ruined everyone's brain at nyt/wapo at a time when they fired every single ombudsman and public editor

but this is some sub-Xinhua levels of fix in the news coverage. its not even subdued liberal pearl-clutching pining for ideals that never were, its just overt puppetry and marketing applied to politics at this point.

You might actually be right about the latter, or at least that the centrist id has been unleashed when reality fully stops conforming to their expectations.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 05:03

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

You might actually be right about the latter, or at least that the centrist id has been unleashed when reality fully stops conforming to their expectations.

I remember there being an article about centrists, and how they pretend to be the "resonable" people and how stuff like the Russia investigations is there way to cope woth a world where their own assumptions about their own place in the world has been put on its head.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 06:13

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 19 days!)

�the ideal solution is a mix of left wing and right wing policies� is a big reasonable moderate tell for someone who doesn�t know poo poo about anything.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 06:31

IWW Online Branch: Apr 20, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

�the ideal solution is a mix of left wing and right wing policies� is a big reasonable moderate tell for someone who doesn�t know poo poo about anything.

No you see America is an eagle. It needs both a left wing and a right wing to soar.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 06:37

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

Democratic socialism is perfectly acceptable as the right wing position, imo

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:52

Shakenbaker: Nov 14, 2005; Grimey Drawer

TrilliontonNixon posted:

No you see America is an eagle. It needs both a left wing and a right wing to soar.

Thanks Dennis!

# ? Aug 13, 2018 12:58

Bushiz: Sep 21, 2004; The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se; Grimey Drawer

Public leftism was completely dead for thirty years, and the ghoulish consensus was able to do whatever it wanted with total impunity that entire time. The journalists, essentially, had no job but to justify the actions of the powers that be for that entire time, and they got lazy as poo poo about it. With a resurgent left, they literally have no idea what to do. There's no institutional knowledge or greybeards they can lean on for advice on how to combat leftism without seeming like a transparent shill for monied interested so we get this blatant bullshit.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 13:01

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 19 days!)

Bushiz posted:

Public leftism was completely dead for thirty years, and the ghoulish consensus was able to do whatever it wanted with total impunity that entire time. The journalists, essentially, had no job but to justify the actions of the powers that be for that entire time, and they got lazy as poo poo about it. With a resurgent left, they literally have no idea what to do. There's no institutional knowledge or greybeards they can lean on for advice on how to combat leftism without seeming like a transparent shill for monied interested so we get this blatant bullshit.

I dunno. The initial reaction seems to be to try and gatekeep with explainers to limit "socialism" to a strictly pro capitalist social democratic framework. That's gonna be pretty convincing for a lot of people. Their instinct is to set the limits of acceptable discourse.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 14:27

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I dunno. The initial reaction seems to be to try and gatekeep with explainers to limit "socialism" to a strictly pro capitalist social democratic framework. That's gonna be pretty convincing for a lot of people. Their instinct is to set the limits of acceptable discourse.

The question is how good they are going to be at it. Trust in the media is already low and plummeting, and all it takes is for leftist politicians to actually outline their positions and properly campaign, and the answer to most questions is 'We're going to tax the loving rich bastards'.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 14:38

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The question is how good they are going to be at it. Trust in the media is already low and plummeting, and all it takes is for leftist politicians to actually outline their positions and properly campaign, and the answer to most questions is 'We're going to tax the loving rich bastards'.

You're operating within a pro-capitalist social-democratic framework here though.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 14:39

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

are the saudis paying them for this? embarrassing

https://twitter.com/davidklion/status/1029007265255305216?s=21

# ? Aug 13, 2018 15:14

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/opinion/susan-rice-saudi-canada-trump.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

Maybe the real best friends of autocrats are the people who are so decorum poisoned that they let their own sons become TPUSA monsters, Ms. Rice

# ? Aug 13, 2018 15:37

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

are the saudis paying them for this? embarrassing

https://twitter.com/davidklion/status/1029007265255305216?s=21

If you want the media to uncritically parrot something, start a "think tank" and put out a paper with some big words in it. They'll just recite whatever you tell them to.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 15:42

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Algund Eenboom posted:

Now that the war is over, and there’s some difficulty with the peace, was it worth doing?

Well I think it was unquestionably worth doing, Charlie. And I think that looking back, I know, or certainly understand, that I feel I know what the war was about. And it’s interesting to talk about it here, in Silicon Valley, because I think looking back at the 1990s, I can identify, there were actually three bubbles of the 1990s. There was the NASDAQ bubble. There was the government’s bubble. And lastly there was what I would call the terrorism bubble. The first two were based on creative accounting. The last was based on moral creative accounting. The terrorism bubble that basically built up over the 1990s said that flying planes into the World Trade Center? That’s ok. Wrapping yourself with dynamite and blowing up Israelis in a pizza parlor? That’s ok. Because we’re weak and they’re strong and the weak have a different morality. Having your preachers say that’s ok? That’s ok. Having your charities raise money for people who do these kind of things? That’s ok. And having your press call people who do these types of things martyrs? That’s ok. And that built up as a bubble, and 9/11, Charlie, was to me the peak of that bubble. And what we learned on 9/11, in a gut way, was that that bubble was a fundamental threat to our open society. Because there is no wall high enough, no INS agent smart enough, no metal detector efficient enough to protect an open society from people motivated by that bubble. And what we needed to do was to go over to that part of the world, I’m afraid, and burst that bubble. We needed to go over there, basically, and take out a very big stick, right in the heart of that world, and burst that bubble, and there was only one way to do it. Because part of that bubble said “We’ve got you. This bubble is actually going to level the balance of power between us and you because we don’t care about life. We’re ready to sacrifice it. All you care about are your stock options and your hummers." And what they needed to see was American boys and girls going house to house, from Basra to Baghdad, and basically saying, “What part of this sentence don’t you understand: You don’t think we care about our open society? You think this bubble fantasy, we’re just going to let it grow? Well suck on this.” That, Charlie, is what this war was about. We could have hit Saudi Arabia. We could have hit Pakistan, it was part of that bubble. We hit Iraq because we could. That’s the real truth.

The bubble turning out to be bad was a massive plot twist

# ? Aug 13, 2018 16:04

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Bushiz posted:

Public leftism was completely dead for thirty years, and the ghoulish consensus was able to do whatever it wanted with total impunity that entire time. The journalists, essentially, had no job but to justify the actions of the powers that be for that entire time, and they got lazy as poo poo about it. With a resurgent left, they literally have no idea what to do. There's no institutional knowledge or greybeards they can lean on for advice on how to combat leftism without seeming like a transparent shill for monied interested so we get this blatant bullshit.

This hasn't entirely been the case in the UK and it's exactly the same here. They're also actively encouraging the far right in worse ways that in the us because a bunch of our mainstream press is also far right

# ? Aug 13, 2018 17:46

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I dunno. The initial reaction seems to be to try and gatekeep with explainers to limit "socialism" to a strictly pro capitalist social democratic framework. That's gonna be pretty convincing for a lot of people. Their instinct is to set the limits of acceptable discourse.

Not really. I mean they basically have just been putting out articles saying socialism is unacceptable, see the cuck Friesdorf whining recently. They have no real answer at all.

# ? Aug 13, 2018 18:29

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Willie Tomg posted:

but this is some sub-Xinhua levels of fix in the news coverage. its not even subdued liberal pearl-clutching pining for ideals that never were, its just overt puppetry and marketing applied to politics at this point.

Yeah, I've mentioned before how all the "THE LEFT IS FAILING!" articles read like the sort of thing you'd show someone else as a textbook example of propaganda.

TrilliontonNixon posted:

No you see America is an eagle. It needs both a left wing and a right wing to soar.

fuckin wisdom man, so wise......

Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 19:11 on Aug 13, 2018

# ? Aug 13, 2018 18:42

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

the old propaganda and argument was that capitalism was morally superior to socialism, one big point because capitalist democracies like the us were argued to be more democratic than authoritarian "socialist" countries like the soviet union and china (also because upward mobility existed in the US at the time). today this idea is laughable on its face so liberals are finding it impossible to make a moral argument for capitalism anymore

# ? Aug 13, 2018 21:20

GoluboiOgon: Aug 19, 2017; by Nyc_Tattoo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...2a7a_story.html

quote:

Nothing was won in D.C. on Sunday.

The fizzled Unite the Right protest does not mean the white nationalists have given up; they simply chickened out.

The hatred and division they work to sow will continue to exist unless elections are won and underlying inequities are addressed.

disrupting nazi rallies and physically protecting black lives matter protesters won't end racism, so it is therefore useless.

quote:

But on Sunday, after the sad little band of Unite the Right demonstrators retreated, the nouveau antifa was still looking for a fight.

They knocked a cellphone out of one of our reporter�s hands.

They told me to go, um, �love� myself?

# ? Aug 13, 2018 21:27

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 19 days!)

Crowsbeak posted:

Not really. I mean they basically have just been putting out articles saying socialism is unacceptable, see the cuck Friesdorf whining recently. They have no real answer at all.

The right wing press is always reflexively reactionary, but the liberals gatekeep.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 00:52

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 19 days!)

A Buttery Pastry posted:

You're operating within a pro-capitalist social-democratic framework here though.

I think AOC has the best line for the current moment, where her platform is social democratic but she maintains an explicitly anti capitalist ideology.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 00:54

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

You gotta put your foot in the door

first its AOC with the socdem stuff and in 6 months we have a whole new crop of new leftists who decided they're hardcore maoists

# ? Aug 14, 2018 01:00

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The question is how good they are going to be at it. Trust in the media is already low and plummeting, and all it takes is for leftist politicians to actually outline their positions and properly campaign, and the answer to most questions is 'We're going to tax the loving rich bastards'.

that's not socialism, and there aren't any actual socialists who have run for office.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 02:00

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Phi230 posted:

You gotta put your foot in the door

first its AOC with the socdem stuff and in 6 months we have a whole new crop of new leftists who decided they're hardcore maoists

Based on my interactions withc oconservatives at my groundskeeping job, the Maoists will be former conservatives. I've gotten a bunch on board with pretty much requiring everyone from the city to live and work on the countryside for two years after high school.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 03:40

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I think AOC has the best line for the current moment, where her platform is social democratic but she maintains an explicitly anti capitalist ideology.

1. agitate for social democracy
2. radicalize the people
3. ???
4. seize hte means of production

# ? Aug 14, 2018 03:42

Goon Danton: May 24, 2012; Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I think AOC has the best line for the current moment, where her platform is social democratic but she maintains an explicitly anti capitalist ideology.

Having a maximum program and a minimum program is just a good idea in general.

# ? Aug 14, 2018 03:46

Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Phi230 posted:

You gotta put your foot in the door

first its AOC with the socdem stuff and in 6 months we have a whole new crop of new leftists who decided they're hardcore maoists

the dems and centrists turning people into tankies wasn't the mid season reveal i was expecting, but i'll take it

# ? Aug 14, 2018 05:28

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

Phone posted:

the dems and centrists turning people into tankies wasn't the mid season reveal i was expecting, but i'll take it

this was already the fallout from 2016 and it'll just keep going

# ? Aug 14, 2018 05:32

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1029248440692363269?s=19

# ? Aug 14, 2018 07:34

IWW Online Branch: Apr 20, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1029248440692363269?s=19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTICWg-6hcQ

https://www.weeklystandard.com/daniel-halper/three-senators-oppose-ground-zero-mosque

quote:

For McCain, his opinion on whether the Ground Zero mosque should be built, in his own words, is �obvious.� But he insisted, just as Senator Isakson had said, that he was merely voicing his personal preference, not what is acceptable according to the law: �I understand that I am a senator from Arizona, and I�m a long way from New York City. But I am entitled to my opinion. And obviously my opinion is that I�m opposed to it. I think that it�s something that would harm relations, rather than help.�

# ? Aug 14, 2018 07:42

End boss Of SGaG*: Aug 9, 2000; I REPORT EVERY POST I READ!

Crowsbeak posted:

Based on my interactions withc oconservatives at my groundskeeping job, the Maoists will be former conservatives. I've gotten a bunch on board with pretty much requiring everyone from the city to live and work on the countryside for two years after high school.

indentured servitude to sate the egos and pockets of suburban racists is the most woke

show those urbans what it's like to serve real america *whip crack*

End boss Of SGaG* has issued a correction as of 09:34 on Aug 14, 2018

# ? Aug 14, 2018 09:20

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1029148698947792896

# ? Aug 14, 2018 10:58

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1029346322015571970?s=19

# ? Aug 14, 2018 17:00

Bushiz: Sep 21, 2004; The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se; Grimey Drawer

Matt bruenig owns because he's ten times better at being a lanyard than every dipshit that's paid millions a year to be a lanyard and can effortlessly clown on them

# ? Aug 15, 2018 00:43