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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


I'm getting deja vu from this. Wasn't an article almost exactly the same as this published a while back? Like about war being good for feminism or something.

edit: I think that one was about the Syrian war or something.

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Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is

i like sam seder but every time he complains about dore voting green party i like him a little less

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Ytlaya posted:

I'm getting deja vu from this. Wasn't an article almost exactly the same as this published a while back? Like about war being good for feminism or something.

edit: I think that one was about the Syrian war or something.

It's a 2-year-old article

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Who could have forseen this? Who?!?

https://twitter.com/karbonbased/status/1031541717135179776

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Percelus posted:

i like sam seder but every time he complains about dore voting green party i like him a little less
dore did a couple of videos on the insanity of shaming green voters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWurVlHdSWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0R_SbMdKYM

Thinking about it, I've heard a grand total of ZERO times that national liberal media or politicians have talked about electoral reform to remove the spoiler effect or voter outreach to the greens. I've heard lots of shaming and talk of them being putin puppets though.

comedyblissoption has issued a correction as of 21:58 on Aug 21, 2018

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


This guy sounds like early drug addicts trying to justify how their use is totally a good idea and net positive, including the citing of dubious studies.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1031917674459287558

CheeseSpawn
Sep 15, 2004
Doctor Rope

comedyblissoption posted:

dore did a couple of videos on the insanity of shaming green voters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWurVlHdSWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0R_SbMdKYM

Thinking about it, I've heard a grand total of ZERO times that national liberal media or politicians have talked about electoral reform to remove the spoiler effect or voter outreach to the greens. I've heard lots of shaming and talk of them being putin puppets though.

The whole Seth Rich thing Dore goes off by is very overreaching and makes him look bad and ungrounded. Dore is VERY good at getting you angry but that's as far as it goes. He's more about outrage than policy in my opinion. He brought up ranked choice voting which is nice but it's still a dodge about his green party vote. He goes back to basically blame the system again. I'm surprised Dore wasn't aware of Jordan Peterson but he has been fighting on the Dave Rubin front. Meanwhile The Majority Report has been covering IDW and a lot of issues you can find in CSPAM.

Michael Brooks did a great summary of Dore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhn89O_Z96M

I see Dore mainly as Justice Democrats/TYT wing of lefties while Majority Report seem more "pragmatic." They do content every day along with guest speakers, talk about unions and labor power, DSA, primary elections, cpam poo poo. Majority Report is just superior content compared to Dore.

Alastor_the_Stylish
Jul 25, 2006

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

He only said the seth rich situation was suspicious because of Julian Assange referencing him as a possible source and then the deal with the investigator the family hired or didn't hire, which was pretty weird, and then when a reasonable explanation came out he backed off.

And why the gently caress should he have to defend voting for the person he wanted to become president for president? In California no less.

Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is

seder acts like dore and others were obligated to vote for clinton was is just loving retarded

didn't clinton lose michigan or wisconsin by like 20k votes and there were 80k democrat down ballet voters who left the president section blank?

point is he can vote for whoever he wants and seder or anyone trying to shame or criticize people for the way they vote is stupid af and acting like the democrats are entitled to your vote is part of the reason clinton blew 2016

i like both shows and ya seder is much more of a wonk too bad policy doesn't matter much when everyone in office is a total piece of poo poo who will only pass legislation in favor of corporate interests

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jill Stein is one of the most level headed and sensible people on Who Is America

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

CheeseSpawn posted:

He brought up ranked choice voting which is nice but it's still a dodge about his green party vote. He goes back to basically blame the system again.
pretend i posted a shut the gently caress up liberal image macro

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Percelus posted:

seder acts like dore and others were obligated to vote for clinton was is just loving retarded
actually voting for a literal iraq war voter wall st crony who spearheaded many other wars of aggression and beamed about accolades from henry kissinger is the only moral choice

let me post this 12 minute video explaining why

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Seder's only leg up on Dore is decorum, and frankly gently caress decorum

CheeseSpawn
Sep 15, 2004
Doctor Rope

comedyblissoption posted:

actually voting for a literal iraq war voter wall st crony who spearheaded many other wars of aggression and beamed about accolades from henry kissinger is the only moral choice

let me post this 12 minute video explaining why

I already covered partially what was in the video but you missed the best part. Dore quotes Chomsky then Chomsky said VOTE for the lesser of two evils. Keep to your bubble of outrage of shouting out to the void without building any solidarity.

That's why you have other voices like Jamie Peck and Michael Brooks on the show who put in different takes.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

CheeseSpawn posted:

I already covered partially what was in the video but you missed the best part. Dore quotes Chomsky then Chomsky said VOTE for the lesser of two evils. Keep to your bubble of outrage of shouting out to the void without building any solidarity.

That's why you have other voices like Jamie Peck and Michael Brooks on the show who put in different takes.
lol who gives a gently caress? I can cite historical progressives telling you lesser evilism is a stupid loving bullshit philosophy, but it really doesn't matter to the point. you're shaming people for not supporting a henry kissinger-like secretary of state and pretending you have a moral high ground

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



can we take this to the succ zone and not the good thread about the :sad: failing ny times

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Shear Modulus posted:

can we take this to the succ zone and not the good thread about the :sad: failing ny times

CheeseSpawn
Sep 15, 2004
Doctor Rope

comedyblissoption posted:

lol who gives a gently caress? I can cite historical progressives telling you lesser evilism is a stupid loving bullshit philosophy, but it really doesn't matter to the point. you're shaming people for not supporting a henry kissinger-like secretary of state and pretending you have a moral high ground

I'm going to get my last word in and we'll just have to leave it at that. I'm not shaming out third party voters, just calling them out. I'm trying to show and point out that lesser of two evils is a strategic vote against the worst outcome. If you protest or vote third party, that's fine. The fight doesnt end at voting. Just understand that you have limited room to maneuver if you're out there complaining about a broken system without building awareness and solidarity with the nonvoters and disenfranchised. Yelling at the problem is fine. but not talking how to move to change and fix it is.

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the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
the sad and failing ny times thread

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

CheeseSpawn posted:

I'm going to get my last word in and we'll just have to leave it at that. I'm not shaming out third party voters, just calling them out. I'm trying to show and point out that lesser of two evils is a strategic vote against the worst outcome. If you protest or vote third party, that's fine. The fight doesnt end at voting. Just understand that you have limited room to maneuver if you're out there complaining about a broken system without building awareness and solidarity with the nonvoters and disenfranchised. Yelling at the problem is fine. but not talking how to move to change and fix it is.

Hahaha dumbass

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

so has sarah jeong ever actually written an article i ask because i see a lot of gossip about her on twitter but nothing that seems relevant to her job title

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
shes some sort of editor

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

so what youre saying is the handwringing is even more pointless than it sounds dont they hire nazis for like actual opinion pieces and stuff?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
well yues but she made fun of white people and you can't do that

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

there is no difference between saying white people think mayo too spicy and the n-word

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Ytlaya posted:

This guy sounds like early drug addicts trying to justify how their use is totally a good idea and net positive, including the citing of dubious studies.

he kind of has a point about photos making vacations better but theres a big difference between carrying around a camera youre only going to look at post vacation and being glued to shitposts on your smartphone

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


krugman siding with bruenig

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1032248576183881728?s=21

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

the collaborating New York Times

https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1032266198476566529?s=19

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

So the cops don't even know how she died, but they think some immigrant from Mexico is the top suspect?

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

CheeseSpawn posted:

I'm going to get my last word in and we'll just have to leave it at that.

lmao

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

a young white woman getting murdered is like christmas for these media nutcases

https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/1032273158152306694?s=19

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
lmao, the edit history on that NYT article is a doozy

the headline and beginning have been rewritten no less than four times

look at how "undocumented immigrant" goes from not appearing at all in the initial version to being very prominent

https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032280882361577472
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032283408062455814
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032285922484731904
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032303538913902592

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

the hooting nazis online all demanded they make the article more racist and the failing nyt was all too happy to oblige

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Main Paineframe posted:

lmao, the edit history on that NYT article is a doozy

the headline and beginning have been rewritten no less than four times

look at how "undocumented immigrant" goes from not appearing at all in the initial version to being very prominent

https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032280882361577472
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032283408062455814
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032285922484731904
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1032303538913902592

it gets worse and worse and worse.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1032346648125599749

can't wait for the whitey white new york times to try covering their asses now

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

Death to the Failing New York Times

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Some Guy TT posted:

so has sarah jeong ever actually written an article i ask because i see a lot of gossip about her on twitter but nothing that seems relevant to her job title

She's on the editorial board, so you won't see her signature on anything. She's their "tech writer" so I guess look for editorials about technology. They did just endorse Zephyr Teachout real hard, maybe she had something to do with that? I'm sure the editorial board is committee decision-making, so she likely has a say in stuff like that even if it's not in her beat.

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Lol that NYT made the shocking jump to full white nationalism

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