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Yeah, I'm not trying to poo poo-talk, just correcting. I thought the same thing before the show and all the research was on me, so I double-checked a lot of poo poo.
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END ME SCOOB posted:Yeah, I'm not trying to poo poo-talk, just correcting. I thought the same thing before the show and all the research was on me, so I double-checked a lot of poo poo. Perish the thought, I never thought you were trying to poo poo-talk me. I thank you for correcting me. It's best to know so I don't parrot misinformation.
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Blaziken386 posted:it's a good lesson! unfortunately Kensuke apparently forgets it after like 20 minutes, because he's still all "wOW I WANNA BE PILOT" basically always To be fair, nothing could be more accurate, especially in the 90's, than an otaku character who doesn't internalize one iota of the message that was just communicated, focusing instead on sick weapons and fighting. Anno knew exactly what he was satirizing with that character.
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yeah Kensuke feels extremely like a riff on the audience, literally watching the events of the show from behind the screen (of a camera)
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Ultraklystron posted:To be fair, nothing could be more accurate, especially in the 90's, than an otaku character who doesn't internalize one iota of the message that was just communicated, focusing instead on sick weapons and fighting. Anno knew exactly what he was satirizing with that character. Expect My Mom posted:yeah Kensuke feels extremely like a riff on the audience, literally watching the events of the show from behind the screen (of a camera)  that's actually really clever, props to anno
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Ultraklystron posted:To be fair, nothing could be more accurate, especially in the 90's, than an otaku character who doesn't internalize one iota of the message that was just communicated, focusing instead on sick weapons and fighting. Anno knew exactly what he was satirizing with that character. That’s hysterical and I never thought of it that way before. In my defense, I’m currently watching the series for the second time. And the first time was like fifteen years ago. Edit for content: Magma isn’t just like, hot water. It’s extraordinarily hot molten mineral. You can’t submerge poo poo in it and see through it like red tinted water fluid. Edit 2: the scene where Asuka tries to flirt with Shinji next to the pool and he completely fails to apprehend that is painful in a way I did not appreciate when I was a teenager. Ogmius815 fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 03:41
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Kensuke being a military nerd with a camera who takes creeper photos of the school celebrity Asuka to sell them while calling her awful things behind her back hmmmm HMMMMMM
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Jul 2, 2019 03:52
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whoa https://twitter.com/AnimeAjay/status/1143172346318139394
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Ogmius815 posted:Edit 2: the scene where Asuka tries to flirt with Shinji next to the pool and he completely fails to apprehend that is painful in a way I did not appreciate when I was a teenager. The way she calls back to that when dipping into the volcano and shinjis reaction being the exact same is cute and reminds me these two under the psychological trauma are just kids. I wish there had been a bit more of this Cool! Also regarding eoe and weird artsy choices, i love how apparently they filmed the audience at the start then spliced them into the footage during instrumentality so if you were watching the movie you could see yourself.
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Btw whats the lights out episode thats one of my favourites
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ArfJason posted:Also regarding eoe and weird artsy choices, i love how apparently they filmed the audience at the start then spliced them into the footage during instrumentality so if you were watching the movie you could see yourself. that scene's already a bit of a mindfuck, imagine if you saw yourself on the screen
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ArfJason posted:Also regarding eoe and weird artsy choices, i love how apparently they filmed the audience at the start then spliced them into the footage during instrumentality so if you were watching the movie you could see yourself.
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ArfJason posted:Btw whats the lights out episode thats one of my favourites The one where the power goes out? 11.
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ArfJason posted:Also regarding eoe and weird artsy choices, i love how apparently they filmed the audience at the start then spliced them into the footage during instrumentality so if you were watching the movie you could see yourself. The audience shots in EoE were from a screening of Death and Rebirth.
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tbp posted:i've been having a lot of trouble contextualizing the choking scenes from eoe in my head. i can't quite figure out what they're supposed to mean. Like I mentioned earlier it's a subversion of the Master-Slave dialectic. upon emerging from the soup Shinji and Asuka re-establish their sense of individual selves in recognition of the other. The death struggle ensues and Asuka wins as she doesn't care about her own life to the extent that she finds Shinji's ultimate need for her existence to be "disgusting" (even while Asuka is equally dependent on Shinji for her own recognition of self). Here the narrative ends and we're left to wonder what happens next. Does the dialectic continue as Hegel outlined with Shinji becoming slave and Asuka the master? Or does their experience as part of the universal Human soup godhead fundamentally alter their relationship with one another and their ability to recognize their own existence within one another? After all they have both "been" one another while in soup form, are they at this point still different people in any meaningful sense?
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Just finished my first watch of both the series and End of Evangelion. Episodes 25 and 26 were odd, but I rather enjoyed the message that I feel Anno was trying to communicate with his audience. Reading that he himself struggled with self-worth issues and suffered an extended bout of depression before the making of the show makes it seem rather likely that Shinji is his psychological self-insert that he uses to express his own self-worth issues and share his insights with the audience. It's strange that he left the greater plot unresolved, but I get the feeling that he regarded the angels/Eva/NERV/metaphysics/impact as mere window dressing, the mental states and struggles of his characters are what mattered to him, and the plot existed only to drive those. It was weird, but also very heartfelt and authentic. End of Evangelion hardly seems a single unified movie. The first 2/3 of the movie is basically just a lost episode (24.5) showing what happened to kick off the end of the world. This feels like useful supplementary material, but after watching it I felt it confirmed Anno's original decision that what specifically happened pre-3rd impact wasn't truly important to the story from a thematic perspective. It was nice to give Asuka a moment of redemption after her perpetual decline and misery in the series, but beyond that everything felt rather perfunctory. Some battles and double crosses and spiritual mumbo-jumbo occurred and the world ended. It was visually pretty, but thematically kind of directionless. The elaboration that Gendo kept Shinji away to avoid hurting him was one of the few new character insights that stuck with me. The last 1/3 of End of Evangelion was...something. The symbols and spiritual babble seemed purposefully obtuse to the point that I felt Anno wasn't so much trying to communicate any theme or message, as just give the audience what it seemed they wanted: a weird and confusing brick of information that fans can obsess and debate over eternally because it's ultimately a puzzle without a real solution. Not that such a thing is necessarily bad, but the movie felt thematically disjointed to the original series.
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The HD scenes in EoE confirm that, yeah, that's a pussy growing out of rei's Third Impact Eye there... has a clit and everything. Oh, and I guess I was impressed that all the cross iconography in the series can also be taken as a mirror to when the Black Egg begins to break down and divide...
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I feel like rewatches are always needed to help clear those feelings. At the time of my first viewing, I definitely didn't know what to make of EoE, but now the scene of baby Shinji at the park as the lights go out is maybe my favorite scene to totally over analyze also him making the sand pyramid, destroying and then softly sobbing as he rebuilds it legit gets me emotional FilthyImp posted:The HD scenes in EoE confirm that, yeah, that's a pussy growing out of rei's Third Impact Eye there... has a clit and everything. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Jul 2, 2019 05:10
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Always thought it was weird that the shadows and mountains there make it a very Yonic scene. Can't remember if it prompts his talk with Yui but there's mommy/lady issues there to unpack
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yeah that and I think the mom that takes the two creepy doll children away either is or is labeled in the script as Misato so there's A Lot of Women related stuff
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In my rewatch up to episode 10 so far I feel like Kaji's presence might've been mandated to keep an eye on Misato and throw her off of the greater conspiracy going on. I know he's kind of a triple agent but I get the feeling him softening a bit later in the series and letting Misato in on things was part of why he ends up the way he does. e: Like everything he does is throwing her off in the first bit and when he's forcing himself on her in the elevator there is a a definate focus on the fact Kaji picks up her briefing materials labelled "For Your Eyes Only". Weird BIAS fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jul 2, 2019 |
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Was there any truth to that idea that the Asuka on the beach was the three female leads combined into one person, or was just the usual nerds running wild based on little to no evidence and the rest of the community just deciding 'yup, that's the truth now.'
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Endorph posted:
VOTOMS is cool for a ton of reasons, and the protagonist just hijacks whatever garbage mass produced mecha is lying around until it gets shot up (because they are like, made of tin), is fantastic. He goes through more than one per episode. I counted.
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Quote is not edit.Rich Uncle Chet posted:Was there any truth to that idea that the Asuka on the beach was the three female leads combined into one person, or was just the usual nerds running wild based on little to no evidence and the rest of the community just deciding 'yup, that's the truth now.' Considering how much the series places an emphasis on discrete bodies and psyches, there's no reason to believe that would be the case. What is the basis of it?
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The lighting choices makes Asuka's eyes look like a different colour and she's bandaged similarily, maybe not 1:1, to how Rei was in episode 1. It's always kind of been a bad theory.
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Just finished the series and end of Evangelion and yes both the ending to the show and the movie are masterpieces
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Kaji is like, Ocelot levels of triple agent.
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Capntastic posted:What is the basis of it?
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Weird BIAS posted:Kensuke being a military nerd with a camera who takes creeper photos of the school celebrity Asuka to sell them while calling her awful things behind her back hmmmm HMMMMMM It makes sense though. Eva was made by a guy who was dealing with the most hardcore otaku since the 1980s back when he and his friends established such things as "licensed character goods" and "otaku retail" via General Products (forerunner to both Gainax and otaku retail as we know it today.) Who would else would have such foresight into the complete dregs of otakudom? If anyone was gonna be able to capture a platonically timeless garbage nerd as an incidental aspect of his magnum opus/break down in animation, it was gonna be Anno.
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ArfJason posted:Also regarding eoe and weird artsy choices, i love how apparently they filmed the audience at the start then spliced them into the footage during instrumentality so if you were watching the movie you could see yourself. That's not what happened at all. The audience bit is from screening of Death and Rebirth, the original movie release with only the first half hour or so of an unfinished version of End of Evangelion. It was apparently rushed out to meet contractual obligations and replaced a few months later with the End of Evangelion we all know. The fan mail is also about the ending of that movie, not the tv series.
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Originally the audience was hand-animated by Gainax staff on 35mm every showing and spliced into the film, but this proved to be a terrible strain on their wrists
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FilthyImp posted:The HD scenes in EoE confirm that, yeah, that's a pussy growing out of rei's Third Impact Eye there... has a clit and everything. Amusingly rated TV14, thanks netflix. 
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Don't forget the vulvas on the palms of her hands while she's cradling the Egg, and the Rei-souls that look like... yknow...
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Ultraklystron posted:It makes sense though. Eva was made by a guy who was dealing with the most hardcore otaku since the 1980s back when he and his friends established such things as "licensed character goods" and "otaku retail" via General Products (forerunner to both Gainax and otaku retail as we know it today.) Who would else would have such foresight into the complete dregs of otakudom? If anyone was gonna be able to capture a platonically timeless garbage nerd as an incidental aspect of his magnum opus/break down in animation, it was gonna be Anno. As an aside, I wonder if people are aware of the weird ways Anno's used 'autistic' as an insulting term when talking about otaku behavior he doesn't like, when they make posts like this.
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actual quote from annoquote:However, I take offense when otaku are criticized by non-otaku. Stupid idiots, I think, [criticizing] though you don’t understand anything (laughs). There are truly many people who don’t seem to really understand. I know these things without being lectured to by these people. It’s like, why now? But saying those things is still better. There are many who completely missed the mark. When people don’t even try to understand speak about otaku as though they were far above them, I think: what stupid people.”
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I do get annoyed over how much traction "EoE is Anno making GBS threads on anime fans" has gotten among critics. There's clearly an element of it but it's hardly the most interesting or essential aspect of the work, and if that was the primary intent, the movie would probably be much more straightforward to begin with. It's the other side of the coin to the people going "wtf, Shinji is useless, why can't he just Gets In The Robot!?". EoE is great because it maintains a core of empathy toward its main character in spite of everything.Zeruel posted:Don't forget the vulvas on the palms of her hands while she's cradling the Egg, and the Rei-souls that look like... yknow... It seems weird that NGE has Adam and Lilith exchange roles as progenitors of humanity/monsters respectively, but I suppose making humanity's fundamental desire to return inside the womb be represented by a giant female alien was necessary for the insanely blunt freudian imagery.
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Finally rewatched EoE after my first viewing 15 years ago. Last week I binged the series so it's all fresh in my mind. It's nice to confirm that, yes, it's a much more positive ending than I initially remembered. Also I'm absolutely certain now that episode 26 is concurrent with EoE. There's no "good" ending or "bad" ending. Shinji does not accept Instrumentality in episode 26 and I think the only way for someone to interpret it that way is if they read it in the most broad way possible. Shinji accepts his self worth, re-emerges from the LCL ocean and decides that a life with others is worth returning to. My own interpretation of the timeline is: -Episode 24 -EoE up to Instrumentality -Episode 25 -Episode 26/Shinji's stream of consciousness in EoE while part of Instrumentality - Shinji's conversation with Rei straddled on him within the orange ocean of LCL - Shinji emerges from the eye and the end of EoE
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The only thing I'm confused about is Seele's plan and Gendo's plan and how they are at odds with one another.
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