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What on earth does she say instead?
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 04:50 |
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# ? May 26, 2024 11:09 |
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lets hang out posted:that's pretty much what happens though. Shinji only interacts with a small number of people directly, and their treatment of him across the board makes sense with what their characters and history are. It's really just Misato's stonewalling in particular that causes the entire problem, especially since it's such a 180 (even if justified) from how she used to be towards him.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 05:51 |
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Zeruel posted:What on earth does she say instead? "Are you two seeing each other or something???" Meh.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 06:00 |
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Seemlar posted:Shinji only interacts with a small number of people directly, and their treatment of him across the board makes sense with what their characters and history are. It's really just Misato's stonewalling in particular that causes the entire problem, especially since it's such a 180 (even if justified) from how she used to be towards him. But is it though? Misato throughout the series and the rebuild films is constantly manipulating Shinji to get back into the evangelion to destroy the angels. Sure she does eventually start to actually feel guilty and responsible for this in the show but in rebuild its not really like this. Remember in the show Misato hides from Shinji that Toji was the 4th child. In Rebuild 1 she convinces Shinji to pilot the Eva by showing him Lilith down in Central Dogma and what would happen if an Angel was able to reach it (causing third impact). In Rebuild 2 she still tries to convince Shinji to stay at Nerv after almost killing Asuka. She does show some compassion but and guilt for Shinji but I don't think it was a complete 180, if anything she's pissed at herself for even allowing this to happen. In 3.0 she shows mercy by not using the DSS choker to kill Shinji when she had the chance for example. E: iirc Misato straight up convinces shinji in EoE and 2.0 to get back into the eva and he starts the third impact in both.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 06:02 |
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3.0 rewatched. I have many, many thoughts...
Overall I liked it but drat did it need another few script revisions and a couple more years to polish up the animation and editing. Onward to 4.0 in like a year and a half! readingatwork fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 9, 2019 |
# ? Jul 9, 2019 06:14 |
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Origami Dali posted:The worst thing about the new dub is the unforgivable absence of "baloney pony"
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 06:43 |
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readingatwork posted:3.0 rewatched. I have many, many thoughts... Don't forget an Evangelion turning into a cat. That's the newest iteration of 'beast mode' apparently. They turn into cats now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnrK3Bfmuzs&t=816s
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 07:13 |
readingatwork posted:3.0 rewatched. I have many, many thoughts... The timeline is: Shinji makes Unit 01 begin Third Impact. Kaworu stabs him with the spear and stops it. Lillith is still on the cross. The moon is still where it is. The landscape is still basically normal, although it appears the ground above the Geofront has been destroyed. Later, Kaworu also explicitly refers to the underground area containing Lillith's corpse as the center of Third Impact. Then, in the fourteen years between the second and third films...
Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 07:38 |
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I don't care if it's some ridiculous meta commentary or what, but making your anime movie for the naked purpose of selling toys is really loving dumb. It doesn't work for Jurassic World and it doesn't work for Eva.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 07:39 |
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I have some really loving bad news for you about GI Joe, Transformers and like every mech show
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 08:18 |
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Like Gundam was (and still is) financed partly, if not entirely, by toy companies wanting an anime for their new products. It extremely does work, I don't know what you're talking about. I listened to a first time Evangelion watching podcast where the guy literally goes "I kinda want a figure of Unit 02" and hell same.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 08:22 |
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Remember Mari is 47 and Kaworu kills kittens and the manga is canon
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 08:29 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:I don't care if it's some ridiculous meta commentary or what, but making your anime movie for the naked purpose of selling toys is really loving dumb. In what way doesn't it work? Eva is one of the most profitable brands in the world off the back of its insane merchandising empire. When I went to a 7-11 in Japan earlier this year they were doing an Eva crossover with a bunch of branded merchandise and it was selling. Eva's made billions off of that. Similarly Jurassic World made an absolute fuckton of money.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 08:30 |
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Zeruel posted:I love how consistently inconsistent the Eva sizes are. How big is that loving crane if thats Unit 01 standing next to it? How big is that crevasse?? like, a small city?
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 08:43 |
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Let's say the comparisons between Anno and Lucas are rather apt
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 09:04 |
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Like poetry, sasuga Anno.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 09:08 |
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:Let's say the comparisons between Anno and Lucas are rather apt I'm not sure I would go that far. Shin Godzilla basically proves that Anno had it and still has it to an extent. I think Rebuild is a weird experiment and I'm excited to see the final outcome. Though I've had friends compare Anno to Lucas. And Tiffany Grant also made the same comparison really recently, likening the redubs to the SW special editions and subtly implying that the Rebuilds were his prequel trilogy.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 09:12 |
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That's loving dumb as hell.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 09:14 |
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Rewatching 2.0. Not a fan of the fanservice, and as rad as the final battle is, i wish it didn’t interrupt Rei’s dinner party e: I’m looking at the case what the heck this is rated PG Lube Enthusiast fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jul 9, 2019 |
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Zore posted:In what way doesn't it work? Eva is one of the most profitable brands in the world off the back of its insane merchandising empire. When I went to a 7-11 in Japan earlier this year they were doing an Eva crossover with a bunch of branded merchandise and it was selling. It doesn't work critically. Dumb people can like a dumb movie and it can make a fuckton in sales and merch, but there's arguably something more substantial to the first JP movie than there are to any of its sequels. Obviously I'm speaking subjectivity, but the Evangelion rebuilds feel incredibly hollow. The characters are broad imitations of their first incarnations. Mari or whatever is a garbage, throwaway anime waifu. Expect My Mom posted:I have some really loving bad news for you about GI Joe, Transformers and like every mech show I don't claim to know the intentions behind the creation of the show, but I can observe how the representations of the mechs in the rebuilds of the movies come across as figurine commercials. Despite the fact that you can get Eva Alpacas because of its original run, I think the series/EoE at least offers a lot to chew on thematically. What's there to be discussed about 3.33? I wish SMG posted in this sub. I'd take one of his bonkers deconstructions of the movie than literally nothing besides "the cgi was cool"
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 13:03 |
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Zore posted:In what way doesn't it work? Eva is one of the most profitable brands in the world off the back of its insane merchandising empire. When I went to a 7-11 in Japan earlier this year they were doing an Eva crossover with a bunch of branded merchandise and it was selling. I think he means 'creating a show/movie that was designed with selling toys in mind will produce a show/movie that is artistically/thematically bankrupt (ie, it'll be dumb and not very good unless you're after brainless garbage)' Transformers and GI Joe certainly support that argument.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 13:21 |
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3.0 continues to be the most misunderstood part of Evangelion.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 13:22 |
Xander B Coolridge posted:I wish SMG posted in this sub. I'd take one of his bonkers deconstructions of the movie than literally nothing besides "the cgi was cool" SMG is actually talking about Evangelion in CD right now. quote:Aight so I’m roughly 3/5th of the way through New Century Evangelion and the standard takes make a lot more sense now; apparently everyone has just tuned out the fact that this is straight-up Michael Bay’s Transformers. Stylistically, thematically.... There’s also a bit of The Island in there, but yes. They’re like Rosetta Stones for eachother.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:23 |
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I am glad of the relative lack of contrarian idiots in ADTRW.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:30 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:
Like Gundam is contractually obligated to make an episode sometimes where the Gundam has like.......a different gun this time so they can sell that as a variation
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:34 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:The timeline is: Thanks! I may rewatch it again at some point to see if I can understand the timeline a bit better. I normally don't mind blink and you miss it storytelling but 3.0 makes it harder to digest than earlier iterations of Eva due to weaker character work and a setting that's completely disconnected from reality. I really hope 4.0 does a flashback or something to help fill in the gaps a bit.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:40 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:SMG is actually talking about Evangelion in CD right now. Neon Genesis Evangelion megathread: the protagonist gets a boner and a penguin screams at the boner, humiliating him.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:40 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:SMG is actually talking about Evangelion in CD right now. Lmao I mean, he's not wrong either. Expect My Mom posted:Okay then what about my second post where I talk Gundam If I'm wrong, tell me so. I legitimately am going off of cultural osmosis here. Aside from (what appears to me to be) a vehicle to sell brand new merch of 14 year-old girls, the rebuild movies seem to operate exclusively as metatextual commentary on the original run. The scope of discussion just seems so... narrow Xander B Coolridge fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jul 9, 2019 |
# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:49 |
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Does any one besides SMG ever call it "New Century"? I mean that's what the characters are but it's always been Neon Genesis in English right?
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:50 |
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P-Mack posted:Does any one besides SMG ever call it "New Century"? I mean that's what the characters are but it's always been Neon Genesis in English right? Yeah I think Anno or Gainax has English terminology they are suuuuper insistent on, but Shin Sekei I guess can translate to New Century? Either way, they're the ones who insisted the series' English title be Neon Genesis Evangelion.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:52 |
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P-Mack posted:Does any one besides SMG ever call it "New Century"? I mean that's what the characters are but it's always been Neon Genesis in English right? Evangelion was one of those shows that utilizes English for terms, titles, etc. in a way that isn't really 1:1 with the written or spoken Japanese and it's almost assuredly an artistic decision (to at least some degree). Every episode has two titles for example, the first being in Japanese and the second at the eyecatch in English and they often are very different. Or that "Angels" are more literally translated as "Apostles".
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 14:55 |
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Thanks, Neon Genesis isn't even close to being a valid translation so it makes sense that it was a conscious decision. The name does really captures the aesthetic of weird gaudy futurism and strange Bible poo poo.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 15:22 |
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One of SMG's things is getting titles consistently wrong on purpose.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 15:26 |
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cargohills posted:One of SMG's things is getting titles consistently wrong on purpose. It's small, but effective.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 15:28 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:What's there to be discussed about 3.33? SHISHKABOB posted:It's small, but effective. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jul 9, 2019 |
# ? Jul 9, 2019 15:50 |
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one fun thing, as a big fan of godzilla, was finding out that shin godzilla which i liked a lot was by the same director. i genuinely had no idea who he was until this poo poo was on netflix, they're so absurdly different as works too.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 16:15 |
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If you really want to have some fun you should check out Anno's His and Her Circumstances which is a shoujo romance series (and way better than the manga it is adapted from).
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 16:20 |
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The first 18 or whatever episodes of His and Her's are honestly as good as NGE at its best. The last bunch of episodes is weaker though.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 16:23 |
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The last bunch weren’t directed by Anno just as a note.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 16:26 |
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It's also famously the series that caused Anno to go on a lengthy anime hiatus, only returning to direct the Rebuild films almost a decade later (he did supervise the Cutie Honey OVA, though). I wish it had wrapped up better but I think those 18 episodes work really well as-is.
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# ? Jul 9, 2019 16:33 |