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silvergoose posted:No...no, there's definitely at least one time later on when he nearly misses a ball juggling or a line of a poem. I forget the details though. Feel like it was in TGH when Rand shows up or something. He chokes on his wine or something when Rand cluelessly recounts the noble women inviting him for "lessons" and telling him their husbands are away for some reason he can't comprehend.
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I could have sworn there's a scene where Rand (or Mat?) overhears Thom talking to himself which makes it clear he doesn't know who Moiraine is beyond "an Aes Sedai", but I can't remember when.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:"Abruptly the flow of words and the juggling alike stopped. Thom simply snatched the balls from the air and stopped talking. Unnoticed by Rand, Moiraine had joined the listeners. Lan was at her shoulder, though he had to look twice to see the man. For a moment Thom looked at Moiraine sideways, his face and body still except for making the balls disappear into his capacious coat sleeves. Then he bowed to her, holding his cloak wide. “Your pardon, but you are surely not from this district?”" And she sends him a love letter when her death is imminent despite not seeing each other for three books, and she tells the wonder girls that she already knows the face of the man she'll marry, and she bonds him upon first sight when she's resurrected (I can't remember her dialog there). And he can get close enough to her... uncle?... the king to murder him. They for sure know each other.
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BigHead posted:And she sends him a love letter when her death is imminent despite not seeing each other for three books, and she tells the wonder girls that she already knows the face of the man she'll marry, and she bonds him upon first sight when she's resurrected (I can't remember her dialog there). And he can get close enough to her... uncle?... the king to murder him. They for sure know each other.
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Ani posted:Thom murders her half brother (Taringail, who is Elayne, Galad and Gawyn's dad) but that's after Moiraine is already in the tower, and also that's presumably in Andor and not Cairhien. Thom much later kills the king of Cairhien (at the end of TGH) but at that point it's not a Damodred, it's a Riatin. It's likely that Thom and Moiraine would know of each other, but I don't think there's any reason they would actually have met, though they might have incidentally. The timing here is such that Taringail marries into House Trakand right before Moiraine's raised to the shawl, but it's about 5 years later (Elayne is slightly younger than Rand) that Thom has Taringail killled. By which time Moiraine is already out in the world, Lan bound as her Warder, and establishing her eyes and ears network. Thom openly confronts Elaida and Morgase a couple years later. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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I think the difference is probably mostly academic. There's not very many Cairhienin noblewomen who are Aes Sedai (we know of only one other, IIRC?) so I don't think it'd be a far leap to identifying Moiraine if one were familiar with the nobility there... but knowing her house name doesn't really do Thom any immediate good that I can think of. It's not like she was involved with anything that concerned him, family-that-she-doesn't-like aside.
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Thom would definitely have known she was Aes Sedai and Cairhienin at first glance and either would be huge, huge red flags given his history. Running into both in one person at the rear end end of nowhere, he probably instantly assumed she was there *for him*, because why else would she be?
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Like I said. Their first meeting she immediately begins calling him "Master Bard," with no prompting. She was absolutely saying to him 'hey buddy, I know exactly who you are.'
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How does she know she's going to marry him? She says that to the supergirls before she goes through the redstone doorway in Tear and before Rhuidean. Is it based on some kind of foretelling?
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BigHead posted:And she sends him a love letter when her death is imminent despite not seeing each other for three books, and she tells the wonder girls that she already knows the face of the man she'll marry, and she bonds him upon first sight when she's resurrected (I can't remember her dialog there). And he can get close enough to her... uncle?... the king to murder him. They for sure know each other. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Like I said. Their first meeting she immediately begins calling him "Master Bard," with no prompting. She was absolutely saying to him 'hey buddy, I know exactly who you are.' I had forgotten about this in the previous wave of this discussion, and yeah, I'm now firmly back with my original reading of the relationship, which was that they both know exactly who the other person is almost immediately.
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Ani posted:How does she know she's going to marry him? She says that to the supergirls before she goes through the redstone doorway in Tear and before Rhuidean. Is it based on some kind of foretelling? She knows Min though.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:
Where do they recount this? I can't recall at all. Man I really need to make time to reread the series before the show drops.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Where do they recount this? I can't recall at all. I think its when Elayne works out who he is when she's blind drunk, he recounts the whole story to her.
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It’s super creepy when Elaine flirts with Thom. Let me just say that.
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Invalid Validation posted:It’s super creepy when Elaine flirts with Thom. Let me just say that. Yeah, that was bad. It's another entry in my "Don't Do This on TV" list.
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Only if they really lean into the "Thom really is Elayne's biological father" otherwise I don't think it matters too much, because everybody around the situation is uncomfortable with it for you already.
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Everyone except Thom. Which he should be shutting that poo poo down immediately. Ya know since he like changed her diapers and stuff.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Only if they really lean into the "Thom really is Elayne's biological father" otherwise I don't think it matters too much, because everybody around the situation is uncomfortable with it for you already. the words put to paper that created the sentences that gave me the mental image of that incest creepiness should not have happened in the first place. all of Jordan's sex weirdo poo poo should be cut. I hope to see much less spanking in the TV series. somewhat related: the books really become readable again after Egwene got bonked. That stand-off was getting really tedious.
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Famethrowa posted:the words put to paper that created the sentences that gave me the mental image of that incest creepiness should not have happened in the first place. I want that one spanking scene to be like 15 minutes long specifically to make that one idiots head explode
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I want that one spanking scene to be like 15 minutes long specifically to make that one idiots head explode Which spanking scene though??
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Yes
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The one where Rand and Ba'alzamon have a spanking fight in the sky
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The 65 page spanking montage at Hogwarts
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I have doubts they’ll cut the spanking, so I’m going to hope they go full running joke with always showing the random maid/butler/novice/soldier awkwardly misinterpreting the noise (in perrin/faile’s case dog/bird/horse/wolf covering their eyes) etc outside the room at least.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The one where Rand and Ba'alzamon have a spanking fight in the sky 'by the light, the things we saw in the sky at falme...'
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Anyone recall the link to the blogger that was reading through the series for the first time and posting their thoughts/predictions? Had to reinstall browser and lost it and scanned first 50 pages of thread but didn't see it, but it was a really neat perspective on the series.
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This one? https://neuxue.tumblr.com/WoT-liveblog
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Still waiting for her to restart that!
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That's the one, thanks! Couldn't remember what it was called and hadn't bookmarked it.
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Thanks for that. It's about a billion times better than bloody Leigh Butler. I'm still annoyed I read hers almost start to finish.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Thanks for that. It's about a billion times better than bloody Leigh Butler. I'm still annoyed I read hers almost start to finish. So much better, although not really the same thing since this is a blind read through and the Butler one was a reread. FYI Neuxue kinda stalled partway through Towers of Midnight back in August and still hasn't picked it up again, although she insists she will at some point and has taken extended hiatuses in the past. The quality of her analysis is actually quite extraordinary, and she spot on guesses so much stuff that was going to happen many books down the line. If you're interested there is also another blind readthrough/analysis being done on Tor.com which is decent - currently early in book 5; although it's proceeding at a really slow pace. Typically 1 or 2 chapters in each weekly update, and he frequently takes breaks for a week or two or decides to write an in depth essay on some philosophical point some weeks rather than continue the readthrough.
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The Lord Bude posted:The quality of her analysis is actually quite extraordinary, and she spot on guesses so much stuff that was going to happen many books down the line. I should say, for those of us who had to follow along with the books (even if it's just the latter half of the series or whatever), a lot of people did make many accurate guesses as to how the series was going to go. What we were right on varied on a case by case and person by person basis. The fun was in trying to hash it all out water cooler style.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I should say, for those of us who had to follow along with the books (even if it's just the latter half of the series or whatever), a lot of people did make many accurate guesses as to how the series was going to go. I’m not sure whether to be happy or sad I missed most of that. My original WoT experience was binging books 1-10 over about 5 months in 2003 when I was in grade 11. I was carrying one of the books with me to all my classes; sneaking in a page here or there during that brief window of waiting outside the classroom for the teacher to arrive at the start of each period; rushing to the library at morning tea and lunch; basically doing nothing but read them once I got home each day (how I kept my grades up I still don’t know). Each new WoT book that came out after that I did a full reread in preparation for; then I raced out, bought the book as soon as the bookstore opened, came home and read the book in a single sitting - I’d eat while reading. I’d be finished by around 6-7 am the next day. By the time Sanderson was writing I was working full time; so I’d take a few weeks vacation, and do my reread in one massive all day every day binge. I don’t think I would have enjoyed the back half of the Jordan written books nearly as much if I’d had to wait for each one, especially CoT. As it stands I’m in the minority who still really likes that slow portion of the series; I sometimes start rereads at book 4.
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I did the series via audiobooks from late 2019 until mid 2020, and was only able to so at that quick a rate because I drive a lot for work. And while I agree that not having to wait at all between books made it such that I hardly noticed The Slog, I can't help but feel left out from all the speculation of the time. I really enjoy that kind of thing, and would love to have been making guesses and reveling in the occasional correct one as the years went on. 
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I need to find my "I killed Asmodean" bumper sticker.
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Hey, this is great. Luckily I already read the entire series (two times, the first half a dozen novels even 3-4 times by now) so I just started to pile in, her sense of humor and her comments are great. hey wait a minute, this is sucking down hours of my life, that's not great at all ahhh I'm getting addicted to this blogger
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She has got such a massive wide-on for Lan, and I really appreciate that she's just being straight up about it
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