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Kosmo Gallion posted:Kenny Omega angrily kicking out of the BTE trigger at 1 during the Revolution tag team championship match got an immense pop. Not a good match but I swear no one thought Undertaker would kick out when HHH gave him a Tombstone at WM27.
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Undertaker kicking out of the Superkick/Pedigree and Michaels selling it like Jesus had returned to call him on all his poo poo
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May 4, 2021 22:15
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Technically not a kickout, but my favorite is when Omega finally hit the One Winged Angel on Okada and he got his foot on the rope at 2.9
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May 4, 2021 22:19
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Kennedy was fired during the whole Vince McMahon/Stan Kronke arena fiasco. Vince, furious at having been "humiliated" by a bigger billionaire had to take his anger out on somebody. Kennedy was in the wrong place at the wrong time. FUCKFACE MORON fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 5, 2021 |
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May 4, 2021 22:33
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Benne posted:Technically not a kickout, but my favorite is when Omega finally hit the One Winged Angel on Okada and he got his foot on the rope at 2.9 Yeah that was amazing Okada actually is great at kick outs as he always looks so dead or tired when kicking out a near falls that you can't help but think he's going to lose at any minute
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Nick Jr. Face posted:Imagine being that petty an childish you make Stan Kroenke look good YOU'RE AN EEENOSSS!!!
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May 4, 2021 22:44
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There's two back to back kickouts in Cedric Alexander vs Kota Ibushi from the CWC that I absolutely love https://youtu.be/LeINMAJ4yAI About two minutes in. I remember queueing this up at a party and having one of my friends drunkenly and enthusiastically grab my shoulder to say "Holy poo poo (name) I GET wrestling now"
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Benne posted:Technically not a kickout, but my favorite is when Omega finally hit the One Winged Angel on Okada and he got his foot on the rope at 2.9 Definitely counts as far as what I'm interested in; the Omega Golden Trigger one is definitely one I've revisted periodically since it happened. Just...so good, and I had a limited understanding of the history behind it at the time.
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FakePoet posted:I've possibly asked this before (or at least thought about it): Moxley using the exploding ropes to kick out in his match at Revolution 2021 was pretty special.
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not a nearfall but lio rush no selling a powerbomb off a ladder from joey janela
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Hedgehog Pie posted:YOU'RE AN EEENOSSS!!! I remember seeing that clip out of context without knowing about that whole debacle and asking why Vince was yelling "ANUS!!" at some guy in a bad wig.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Kenny Omega angrily kicking out of the BTE trigger at 1 during the Revolution tag team championship match got an immense pop. This. DeathChicken posted:Undertaker kicking out of the Superkick/Pedigree and Michaels selling it like Jesus had returned to call him on all his poo poo And this.
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May 5, 2021 13:14
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FakePoet posted:I've possibly asked this before (or at least thought about it): It's been decades since I've seen it, but there was a Triple H vs. Taka Michinoku match where Taka came incredibly close to winning and I remember them doing a really good job on how close the kickout was.
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May 5, 2021 16:32
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FakePoet posted:I've possibly asked this before (or at least thought about it): There was a terrific sequence in the Shawn Michaels/Kurt Angle match at Mania 21: - Shawn goes for a moonsault off the top rope - Angle jumps up to meet him on the turnbuckle, gives him an Angle Slam - Kickout at 2.5 - Angle loses his poo poo, grabs HBK and tells him to stay down - Sweet Chin Music from outta nowhere - Kickout at 2.99999 (miiiight have been past 3, still awesome) - Shawn thinks he's won, slowly staggers to his feet, only for - Angle to pop up ("like a scary movie," Lawler says) and put on the ankle lock - HBK writhes around in pain forEVER, then taps
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May 5, 2021 16:42
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Has Meltzer ever wrestled or taken a bump? I ask completely out of curiosity, not due to "HE DOESN'T EVEN WRESTLE" cynicism.
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Has Meltzer ever wrestled or taken a bump? I ask completely out of curiosity, not due to "HE DOESN'T EVEN WRESTLE" cynicism. I don't think so, but it's always funny when people bust that argument out on Alvarez
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Gavok posted:It's been decades since I've seen it, but there was a Triple H vs. Taka Michinoku match where Taka came incredibly close to winning and I remember them doing a really good job on how close the kickout was. That was the good HHH that people talk about in 99-00. He made me believe that somehow Taka was going to beat the world champion.
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May 5, 2021 19:02
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D.N. Nation posted:There was a terrific sequence in the Shawn Michaels/Kurt Angle match at Mania 21: Isn't this the match where Angle pulls the straps down, wrestles for a few minutes, gets angry, pulls the straps back up, and then pulls them right back down?
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Has Meltzer ever wrestled or taken a bump? I ask completely out of curiosity, not due to "HE DOESN'T EVEN WRESTLE" cynicism. I hear that Big Dave regularly wrestles with the English language.
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Has Meltzer ever wrestled or taken a bump? I ask completely out of curiosity, not due to "HE DOESN'T EVEN WRESTLE" cynicism. Peter Theile: "...Wade's with the Pro Wrestling Torch and Dave’s with..." Greg interrupts: "I've qot a question for Wade and Dave...One thing I’d like you two to do. Nowyou're so-called experts on professional wrestling. You write a lot about it. You talk a lot about it. I learned the hard way. I learned by taking the nnq up, going to the wrestling camp for two and a half years getting my body busted up in that nnq. And I have a whole different outlookofwrestlingisthanIthinkyouquysdo. WhatI’d like you to do is come to our wrestling camp for three weeks. Got through it one time. Then write about it. I think your outlook (and) your wanting would be a little bit different than it is right now." Keller: "Our goal isn’t to be professional wrestlers our..." Gagne: "I’m not saying that..." Keller: "...goal is to cover wrestling as a journalist." Gagne: "Well, if your going to cover it as a journalist, cover it through experience." Meltzer: "I don’t think pro football writers are asked to go to pro football camp." Gagne: "Well, a lot of them have." Meltzer: "Pro football writers? Not very many." Bischoff: "The one’s with credibility have." Meltzer: "Okay. Also, when I went to Japan, I trained for two weeks in a wrestling ring with an independent promotion in Japan." Gagne: "Which one." Meltzer: "Well, it was the group that eventually became the FMW group." Gagne: "The what group?" Meltzer: "The Frontier Martial Arts group." Gagne: "Frontier... I’ve never heard of that... Do they have some big names in there training?" Meltzer: "I was in there with some of them and we did this and that. I’m not trying to pretend I know the first thing about working inside the nnq as a professional wrestler. But I did it because I wanted to learn what it felt like. I did do that, though." Gagne: "Weil, you should come to our camp." Bischoff: "I’ll be honest with you. I am speaking for Verne Gagne and I probably shouldn't do that, but I would guess if you guys went through the camp and stayed with the camp he’d probably advertise his magazine on his show." Meltzer: "I'd get some broken bones on the way, though. (I presume that "the group that eventually became the FMW group" means the ring in Wally Yamaguchi's basement that Gedo, Jado, Super Delfin, and company trained in after Takeshi Puroresu Gundan fell apart.)
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They just wanted Wade and Dave to "come to the camp" so they could stretch them like dickheads anyway
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Yeah that really does feel like a poorly concealed trap.
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im gonna ask in the mailbag about dave's training session with the FMW people. hopefully it gets asked.
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Dave isn't a worker, but he knows enough about pro wrestling to avoid the Gagne camp. (Was it still a freezing torture barn at that point?)
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gently caress verne gagne and his skinny fat failson imo
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Gavok posted:It's been decades since I've seen it, but there was a Triple H vs. Taka Michinoku match where Taka came incredibly close to winning and I remember them doing a really good job on how close the kickout was. Legitimately great TV match: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x3chv As 1glitch0 says, it’s HHH at his most giving. Plus while Taka is not an all time great, he’s one of the best underdogs ever. When he’s wrestling an impossible opponent like this, every single move says “I can do this if I just try hard enough.” He believes in himself and drags the audience along.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Did Meltzer do the transcription?
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Thanlis posted:Legitimately great TV match: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x3chv ill watch this every time it comes up, one of my favorite matches ever as a kid
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Why were there so many injuries in the Brawl for All? I assume the injury rate in boxing and MMA isn't anywhere near that.
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Halloween Jack posted:Dave isn't a worker, but he knows enough about pro wrestling to avoid the Gagne camp. (Was it still a freezing torture barn at that point?) Gagne moved it to an office building in 1973 or 1974. There is footage of Chris Taylor outside, so it was at least partially there in 1973. Ricky Steamboat's class (1974) involved firemen's carries and the like up several flights of stairs. I don't think Gagne had trained a full class in 10+ years in 1990, but yes that definitely was an invitation for Meltzer to get stretched.
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davidbix posted:From the April 2, 1990 issue of the Torch, transcribing a portion of a radio roundtable featuring Wade Keller, Dave Meltzer, Greg and Verne Gagne, and Eric Bischoff: It's surprising Dave hates deathmatch wrestling considering he's an FMW guy.
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The Grey posted:Why were there so many injuries in the Brawl for All? I assume the injury rate in boxing and MMA isn't anywhere near that. Nobody was really trained for it, save for like Shamrock who didn't want to do it and Dan Severn who decided he had nothing to prove (and he was right) after winning his first round. Steve Blackman too but he had to pull out after a training injury. So you basically had a lot of big men flailing at each other, as likely to injure themselves as each other. My favorite BFA story is still when the boys were being told it was anything goes at first apparently Blackman's hand shot up and he immediately asked if that meant he could low kick somebody to blow their knee out. They revised the 'anything goes' bit after that.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Gagne moved it to an office building in 1973 or 1974. There is footage of Chris Taylor outside, so it was at least partially there in 1973. Ricky Steamboat's class (1974) involved firemen's carries and the like up several flights of stairs. Wade Keller has a story about when he first started our a wrestling journalist. I can't remember if it was Gagne or Brad Riggins, but one of them invited them down to their wrestler camp for a day to report on it and see what it's like. Keller was going to go, but got a warning call from a friend the day before telling him not to show up because they planned to stretch him.
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Dawgstar posted:Nobody was really trained for it, save for like Shamrock who didn't want to do it and Dan Severn who decided he had nothing to prove (and he was right) after winning his first round. Steve Blackman too but he had to pull out after a training injury. So you basically had a lot of big men flailing at each other, as likely to injure themselves as each other. I just watched the Brawl for All episode of Dark Side of Wrestling. Bart Gunn looks completely different, and I really feel bad for the guy. He did everything they asked him to do, and they purposely put him up against Butterbean to ruin him. Vince just grinning when Butterbean told him Gunn had no chance against him was disgusting. The only good thing that came out of it was Bradshaw getting destroy.
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The Grey posted:Why were there so many injuries in the Brawl for All? I assume the injury rate in boxing and MMA isn't anywhere near that. There's a big difference between a guy who's "tough" and "can handle himself" and a trained fighter. And it seems hey really had no loving idea. From what Ross et al said in the DSotR episode, they really believed that a college wrestler/footballer with no boxing experience was going to win a boxing tournament. While pro wrestling is dangerous, but it's dangerous in a different way from competitive sports. You're pushing yourself to the limit in a frantic struggle against someone else doing the same. Under those conditions, you don't get hurt because your partner hosed up and dropped you--you just have body parts give out on you. (I mean, some of the greatest wrestlers ever were college athletes who retired due to injury.) As for the format itself, I think some of the fighters weren't clear on the rules? It's easy to get hurt by a takedown you're not expecting. Untrained guys boxing is arguably more dangerous than untrained MMA. Because you have guys with no defense, and gloves that protect their hands well, taking wild shots at each other's heads.
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On top of this I really doubt WWF were fully prepared to run MMA fights with the proper refereeing, guidelines, medical provisions, etc. Aren't there sometimes like months after a shoot fight before doctors are prepared to say "Yeah this guy can fight again"? I doubt WWF were spacing these out properly.
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That's true. Though for comparison, at this point MMA was still running one night tournaments.
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