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Oxxidation posted:soul eater is extremely good for like 90% of its run, but it looks like it got the wrap-it-up treatment where a bunch of plot threads and arcs fizzled into anticlimax, and the final chapter is mostly comprised of boob jokes Shokugeki no Soma can join that vaunted cast
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Honestly, I felt that the Soul Eater manga kind of started going through the motions as soon as it got past the part the anime ended on anyway. I barely even remember Noah at all. The only big thing the anime misses out on imo is the final BlackStar vs Mifune fight, which might be my favorite fight in manga so that is a big loss. Also I like the anime ending, sue me.
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Aug 11, 2021 20:34
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TheKingofSprings posted:Shokugeki no Soma can join that vaunted cast isn't the entire concept of that series just "food porn meets softcore regular porn"
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Jen X posted:isn't the entire concept of that series just "food porn meets softcore regular porn" the author's culinary consultant went on maternity leave for the final arc, so they had to fill in the gaps themselves it did not turn out well. worse than the prior arc, which had an ending that inadvertently glorified child abuse Nephthys posted:Honestly, I felt that the Soul Eater manga kind of started going through the motions as soon as it got past the part the anime ended on anyway. I barely even remember Noah at all. The only big thing the anime misses out on imo is the final BlackStar vs Mifune fight, which might be my favorite fight in manga so that is a big loss. noah himself wasn't much of an antagonist (which might have been the point, given what we learned about him) but his arc was great. solid interpretation of the usually worn-out "seven deadly sins" schtick, the Great Old One's art was excellent, giriko got a fitting sendoff. the manga's conclusion of arachne and especially medusa's characters were also miles ahead of what the anime did
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Aug 11, 2021 20:42
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I appreciate Soul Eater for the Halloweenpunk aesthetic.
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Nephthys posted:Honestly, I felt that the Soul Eater manga kind of started going through the motions as soon as it got past the part the anime ended on anyway. I barely even remember Noah at all. The only big thing the anime misses out on imo is the final BlackStar vs Mifune fight, which might be my favorite fight in manga so that is a big loss. It has its problems, but I'm happy that Crona got a happy ending there at least.
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Aug 11, 2021 21:04
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Crasical posted:I'm intensely curious but I don't wanna derail the thread, but I'm intensely curious, because I've heard "Author was right leaning Japanese Nationalist", to "No that was overblown and the narrative was much more nuanced than that and actually a critique on such points of view" and now also the ending was bad? AoT ending in it's entirety is basically we genocided 80% of the world before the titan curse was lifted and the survivors somehow managed to work out a lasting peace which lasts for centuries until eventually human civilization decays back into the wilderness and the last panel is a boy and his dog coming across a huge tree growing over where Eren died that looked exactly as the same tree that caused the Titan curse in the first place.
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Aug 12, 2021 01:30
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Also the other countries still turned around and killed all the Eldians anyway, rendering the entire thing pointless.
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Flesnolk posted:Also the other countries still turned around and killed all the Eldians anyway, rendering the entire thing pointless. No, other countries bombed Paradis in a war, but there was clearly surviving civilization, as shown by the scavenger in the last panels. The last chapter really poo poo the bed, but it didn't go that far.
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Aug 12, 2021 02:11
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Also the ending was definitely disappointing but it didn’t validate the people who say “Isayama is a fascist/nazi sympathizer/antisemmite”. Those people are still very wrong and most likely haven’t read the series at all.
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chiasaur11 posted:No, other countries bombed Paradis in a war, but there was clearly surviving civilization, as shown by the scavenger in the last panels. Which was at least a century later as well.
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Waffleman_ posted:I appreciate Soul Eater for the Halloweenpunk aesthetic. ultimately could not care much about the story or characters in Soul Eater, aside from Excalibur, but I loved the aesthetic
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chiasaur11 posted:No, other countries bombed Paradis in a war, but there was clearly surviving civilization, as shown by the scavenger in the last panels. "Hey c'mon it wasn't that bad. A Century later there's still a few scavengers picking the ruins clean" isn't exactly THAT much better
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Aug 12, 2021 04:40
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:
Well, to be fair, "well poo poo maybe Eren really should've won and murdered the entire world besides his race" is the perfect summation of how miserable, vaguely fascist, and pointless everything past the timeskip was in the series
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:
No The war in Paradis was at least a century later. People checking out the ruins of the city would have been much much later
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Rhonne posted:It has its problems, but I'm happy that Crona got a happy ending there at least. That basically sums it up for me. Even if the anime's ending was toilets (it wasn't, it was just a kind of stereotypical 'beating Hao', ran out of manga affair) its treatment of Crona in comparison to making them basically the butt of an emotional (and, let's face it, probably physical) abuse joke absolutely edges the anime situations out. It's a soapbox of mine, but that Crona had to pay such a high price for doing in their abuser, who loving twisted them into the act just loving makes me ill.
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Aug 12, 2021 07:01
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ConanThe3rd posted:That basically sums it up for me. Even if the anime's ending was toilets (it wasn't, it was just a kind of stereotypical 'beating Hao', ran out of manga affair) its treatment of Crona in comparison to making them basically the butt of an emotional (and, let's face it, probably physical) abuse joke absolutely edges the anime situations out. Well Crona also did a massive amount of other terrible stuff and killed many people even after Medusa died.
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Aug 12, 2021 07:13
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*chainsaws a hole into the thread and bursts through* HEY I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT BUT CHAINSAW MAN IS/WAS PRETTY FUCKIN' RAD
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Scholtz posted:*chainsaws a hole into the thread and bursts through* And there's a cameo from Denji in MHA! Curious if his cameo there will see TV before the Chainsaw Man anime proper airs. I mean, we can't know yet, and that would a pretty long delay from announcement to air, but... it's possible.
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Aug 12, 2021 07:34
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ConanThe3rd posted:That basically sums it up for me. Even if the anime's ending was toilets (it wasn't, it was just a kind of stereotypical 'beating Hao', ran out of manga affair) its treatment of Crona in comparison to making them basically the butt of an emotional (and, let's face it, probably physical) abuse joke absolutely edges the anime situations out. Yeah that's something that soured me on the manga since Crona was my favorite character. Having Crona escape their abuser and start to recover was a good arc. Having them captured by Medusa again and abused to total insanity was terrible and it was all just to set up a fight where BlackStar effortlessly beats them. It just felt pointless and cruel.
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Yeah, I’ll fully admit that anime Crona definitely got the better deal of the two (and as mentioned earlier, there are some decent things about the final arc of the anime).
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Waffleman_ posted:I appreciate Soul Eater for the Halloweenpunk aesthetic. It's been a very long time since I read or watched anything Soul Eater related, so I have not enough recollection to contribute anything but I also loved the aesthetic, it was really cool. Also Paper Moon is a banger.
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Aug 12, 2021 16:18
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Jen X posted:isn't the entire concept of that series just "food porn meets softcore regular porn" Yes except then it switches gears into “what if Shonen sports food anime” and becomes wonderful up until it suddenly isn’t.
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Jen X posted:isn't the entire concept of that series just "food porn meets softcore regular porn"
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Aug 12, 2021 16:22
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Then they introduced food hitler, who was forgiven for abusing his daughter. Then they introduced evil food brother who in hindsight was about to commit accidental incest. Also they replaced normal cooking with chainsaws and evil clowns juggling bowls. It really poo poo the bed at the end, which is a shame, because the majority of the manga is really good.
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The forgiveness thing in SnS I have to believe is editorial interference. There's just no way, given how he's introduced, the author wanted to put that in.
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Scholtz posted:*chainsaws a hole into the thread and bursts through* I read a bunch of chapters of that and walked away feeling kind of unsatisfied, to be honest. I don't think I 'Got it', the supporting cast kept dying and I didn't understand why a bunch of the fights were happening so I was just left with the (admittedly pretty wild) monster designs.
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Jen X posted:Well, to be fair, "well poo poo maybe Eren really should've won and murdered the entire world besides his race" is the perfect summation of how miserable, vaguely fascist, and pointless everything past the timeskip was in the series I mean the whole point of the series post timeskip was to show both how terrible nationalism/fascism is yet how easy it is to fall into its trap while inevitably leading to the terrible consequences that ideology supports. There were literally entire chapters dedicated to someone realising just how fuckin abhorrent their previous worldview was after being exposed to the world unfiltered through the lens of propaganda and racism after all so I still don't understand how this narrative continues unless its simply that people see the 1930's inspired German nation and just don't look any deeper. Its a very good look at just what fear of 'the other' will make people do, and how the collective consciousness of a group can be warped through small decisions until previously unthinkable actions become routine. The scouts agonised over whether they were capable of taking a Human life instead of a Titans in the early part of the story but by the time they get to Marley they have been through so much loss and so much pain that the thought of indiscriminately killing people to achieve their goals is just what they have to do. It also spends a lot of time delving into just what this does to people and the consequences of war is another strong theme of the work. The mess of the ending did a lot of damage to what came before to be fair but it doesn't discount the overrunning narrative of the story that nationalism/fascism is terrible and results in everybody suffering immensely.
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Arist posted:The forgiveness thing in SnS I have to believe is editorial interference. There's just no way, given how he's introduced, the author wanted to put that in. The fact it was kind of a throwaway line slapped on at the end of the arc makes me think this too.
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serious gaylord posted:I mean the whole point of the series post timeskip was to show both how terrible nationalism/fascism is yet how easy it is to fall into its trap while inevitably leading to the terrible consequences that ideology supports. There were literally entire chapters dedicated to someone realising just how fuckin abhorrent their previous worldview was after being exposed to the world unfiltered through the lens of propaganda and racism after all so I still don't understand how this narrative continues unless its simply that people see the 1930's inspired German nation and just don't look any deeper. Personally I just can't get over Eren wiping out 80% of humanity. Like lmao that's just an insane number the world that comes after should be completely unrecognizable
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Crasical posted:I read a bunch of chapters of that and walked away feeling kind of unsatisfied, to be honest. I don't think I 'Got it', the supporting cast kept dying and I didn't understand why a bunch of the fights were happening so I was just left with the (admittedly pretty wild) monster designs. The death is simple enough to explain. A lot of manga say how dangerous the protagonist profession is, but named characters only die when it's dramatic. You get things like the dramatic promise in JJK that one of the three protagonists won't escape alive, or talk of sky high mortality rates in SnK, but the main cast skates through fine. Chainsaw Man, by contrast, wants to make it clear that it isn't just talking. When it makes a promise of mass carnage, it keeps it, with likable and important characters dying just as easily as random no-names. Anyone could die at any time, and the characters who stick around anyway (Like Denji!) tend to have an in-universe cheat that lets them get right back up after to continue suffering. The why of fights is usually "Someone wants Chainsaw's heart", although reveals later in the manga throw more doubt on claimed motivations for some of those fights. One of the big things for Chainsaw Man, though, is that it goes like a rocket (Comes from the FLCL and Abara inspiration) so if you lose track of characters and their motivations, you probably won't have time to catch back up before things shift again.
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I haven't read Chainsaw Man so I can't speak to how it actually deals with this, but the problem with that style of storytelling (and presumably part of the reason you don't see it very often) is that it has the effect of both making it hard to invest in anyone and also desensitizing the audience to the point it's no longer shocking when people die.
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i feel like it has only a handful of prominent deaths and most others are negligible but do happen to dudes you've probably been given a name for and maybe seen around in other bits of the series definitely didn't strike me as having the typical excessive death problem like early AoT (this bothered me with the initial Survey Corps stuff, at least)
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Arist posted:I haven't read Chainsaw Man so I can't speak to how it actually deals with this, but the problem with that style of storytelling (and presumably part of the reason you don't see it very often) is that it has the effect of both making it hard to invest in anyone and also desensitizing the audience to the point it's no longer shocking when people die. Fella you should read Chainsaw Man
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It seems extremely not for me, lol
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Mulderman posted:Then they introduced food hitler, who was forgiven for abusing his daughter. poo poo like this is why I'm glad Endeavor's abuse of his family didn't go down this route. It's a longstanding and nuanced plotline that treats the abused with respect. It's also made clear that no one's outright forgiving Endeavor, and the best he can hope for is to atone for what he did.
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amigolupus posted:poo poo like this is why I'm glad Endeavor's abuse of his family didn't go down this route. It's a longstanding and nuanced plotline that treats the abused with respect. It's also made clear that no one's outright forgiving Endeavor, and the best he can hope for is to atone for what he did. I also really like how they've balanced it with Dabi so far, where even though Endeavor failed him as a father it doesn't absolve Dabi of the decisions he's made, and it's still Endeavor's responsibility* to stop him from hurting innocent people. *Not alone, but still.
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The worst part about Chainsaw Man is the first quarter or so where Denji is a horny teenaged boy who wants to and is completely motivated by touching boobies. It does at least mostly go away when he realizes that titillation (  ) is not the same as affection (although it's more like a dog who finally caught the car kinda deal) but it's kinda awkward to read through all the same.
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Eej posted:The worst part about Chainsaw Man is the first quarter or so where Denji is a horny teenaged boy who wants to and is completely motivated by touching boobies. It does at least mostly go away when he realizes that titillation (
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