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RoF anime arc is a lot better than the movie due to the additions and fixing movie errors like Goku still being Blue (thus technically powered up) when getting shot by that beam. Movie really drops the ball on missing out on a lot of fun interactions like Freeza seeing Trunks and Ginyu coming back.
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Problem is the show version looks like crap compared to the movie. But I agree on the other points.
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Aug 23, 2021 17:42
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Aurora posted:red ribbon is largely hit or miss. muscle tower is fun and so is the pirate base but the rest kind of sucks The Tao Pai Pai stuff was good.
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Aug 23, 2021 19:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:The Tao Pai Pai stuff was good. completely forgot that was red ribbon tbh
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Aug 23, 2021 20:20
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Nanigans posted:Problem is the show version looks like crap compared to the movie. But I agree on the other points. I'm less bothered by that than in Super's version of BoG because frankly the movie version of Resurrection F also looks like crap and should have been a warning sign of Super's imminent production woes
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Aug 23, 2021 20:34
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Thankfully Broly looks incredible
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Aug 23, 2021 20:55
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I'm genuinely very worried about Super Hero considering they changed the entire staff for it after Broly did so well for reasons I don't think I could ever even begin to understand. I really, really hope my fears don't come true but that the CGI was meant to be a new look for the franchise which made it sound like the entire movie will be like that... I don't get how Toei gets a success like Broly then decides "let's do something totally different".
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Aug 23, 2021 21:53
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The reason is probably everyone who was working on Broly is busy with something else because the anime industry is an endless grind and there aren't enough people to go around thanks to the insane turnover rate brought about by crunch and criminal underpayment
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Aug 23, 2021 21:58
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A bunch of the Broly people got put on One Piece iirc
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Aug 23, 2021 22:21
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Siegkrow posted:Also Goku single handedly murdering an entire army. When did Goku have a moral shift where he abhorred killing? I'd guess just after he came back from king kai's training. He was upset at Vegeta executing Nappa and asked Krillin not to execute Vegeta.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:25
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Lamebot posted:When did Goku have a moral shift where he abhorred killing? I'd guess just after he came back from king kai's training. He was upset at Vegeta executing Nappa and asked Krillin not to execute Vegeta. After training with Kami to fight against Jr.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:34
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he didn't have a moral shift he just internalized "Wow I can keep reaching for power even after death, I'd hate to kill people and deny myself the chance of a really good fight"
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Aug 23, 2021 22:34
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Yeah, Goku isn’t completely against killing but he also loves a good fight and would hate to deprive himself of the chance for a rematch against a strong opponent.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:39
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like right at the end of that arc he begs Krillin not to kill Vegeta and there is NO nobility in the request, he just wants to fight him again because he's never been pushed that hard in his life I fuckin' adore that about Goku, and it was zero surprise he'd leave hypergenocidist Freiza alive and well
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Aug 23, 2021 22:42
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Black August posted:like right at the end of that arc he begs Krillin not to kill Vegeta and there is NO nobility in the request, he just wants to fight him again because he's never been pushed that hard in his life Goku even admits during that scene that what he’s asking is probably really selfish, dude is straightforward to a fault and I personally love that about him
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Aug 23, 2021 22:45
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Him doing that with bad guys because he wants to fight them again is mostly an Adult Goku thing to be fair, it's not like he seemed to want to meet Tao Pai Pai again when he told him to leave while he still could.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:04
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Justin_Brett posted:Him doing that with bad guys because he wants to fight them again is mostly an Adult Goku thing to be fair, it's not like he seemed to want to meet Tao Pai Pai again when he told him to leave while he still could. Or King Piccolo for that matter. I want to say this attitude started around his first fight with the current Piccolo but I’m not completely sure.
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Aug 23, 2021 23:11
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Larryb posted:Or King Piccolo for that matter. I want to say this attitude started around his first fight with the current Piccolo but I’m not completely sure. That's the first time we see it, I believe. He spares Piccolo because he realizes it'll kill Kami too, but he doesn't exactly make it hard to see that he also sees Piccolo as the one person that can keep pushing him to greater heights and wants him as his personal rival (a plot thread that is dropped after Vegeta joins the cast and takes that place, because Goku's very unloyal to his rivals). Kild posted:After training with Kami to fight against Jr. Therefore this is probably the right answer. Either training with Kami or just the natural process of growing up made Goku realize that people surviving = rivals he can keep fighting, yay! Though it's also true that there's some morality there that didn't exist when he was a teenager, considering he spares Raditz after Raditz gives up and promises never to do evil again (which he follows by, surprise, doing evil again).
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Aug 23, 2021 23:23
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Yeah, like on the overall scale of morality Goku is probably Neutral at best but he definitely has become more restrained, like remember the time he was done with King Piccolo’s bullshit and punched Drum so hard it was straight up a Berserk death?
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Aug 24, 2021 01:03
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The irony is that a Goku with no injury would become grossly powerful, but nowhere NEAR as strong as his brain damaged self, because after murderpunching enough enemies he'd get steamrolled by his first brick wall since he wouldn't have nearly as much training as a Goku who just keeps letting people get away for more matches
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Aug 24, 2021 01:06
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Black August posted:The irony is that a Goku with no injury would become grossly powerful, but nowhere NEAR as strong as his brain damaged self, because after murderpunching enough enemies he'd get steamrolled by his first brick wall since he wouldn't have nearly as much training as a Goku who just keeps letting people get away for more matches I forget, how did Goku Black come to be? Is he basically a Goku that never hit his head as a child and instead went on to fulfill his duty as a Saiyan conqueror?
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Aug 24, 2021 01:09
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goku black is zamasu who wishes himself to swap bodies with goku
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Aug 24, 2021 01:10
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Larryb posted:I forget, how did Goku Black come to be? Is he basically a Goku that never hit his head as a child and instead went on to fulfill his duty as a Saiyan conqueror? An evil Kai used the Dragon Balls to steal Goku's body.
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Aug 24, 2021 01:10
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King of Solomon posted:An evil Kai used the Dragon Balls to steal Goku's body. Ah, that’s right. Though have any of the shows/games ever done a “What if Goku never hit his head” type story out of curiosity?
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Aug 24, 2021 01:14
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It's a shame that Toyo didn't use his original fanfic Goku Black plot
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Aug 24, 2021 01:14
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Larryb posted:I forget, how did Goku Black come to be? Is he basically a Goku that never hit his head as a child and instead went on to fulfill his duty as a Saiyan conqueror? We already had a Goku who didn't get drain bamaged and went on to become a Saiyan conqueror and he made for a pretty ok movie and proved the thesis that a Goku with no desire to satisfy his fight boner by letting his enemies live to fight another day is a weak Goku
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Aug 24, 2021 01:18
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Also, if you take Jaco's manga as canon, the brain damage thing has been retconned entirely. Gohan just taught the brat some manners
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Calaveron posted:We already had a Goku who didn't get drain bamaged and went on to become a Saiyan conqueror and he made for a pretty ok movie and proved the thesis that a Goku with no desire to satisfy his fight boner by letting his enemies live to fight another day is a weak Goku Which movie was that again? Also what was Toyo’s original idea for Goku Black? Basically something similar to what I said?
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Aug 24, 2021 01:27
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It'd be neat for an undamaged Goku to end up in the Super timeline and throw himself at regular Goku and get his rear end kicked to near-death, since regular Goku would absolutely demand he go train and come back to try again, no matter how many times it took, until he began to approach the same level.
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Aug 24, 2021 01:29
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Larryb posted:Which movie was that again? No. It had the South(?) Supreme Kai barely survive being butchered by Buu and left in a coma all that time, before she comes back and seeks revenge on a system that completely failed her. It had her with some goofy OC villain, but the idea of her using Supreme Kai fuckery to get a Goku body and start to trash the universe would be a neat back-tie to an old plot, especially if she held Beerus partly responsible.
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Aug 24, 2021 01:32
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Larryb posted:Which movie was that again? Tree or Fruit of something or other, I forget.
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Black August posted:like right at the end of that arc he begs Krillin not to kill Vegeta and there is NO nobility in the request, he just wants to fight him again because he's never been pushed that hard in his life I feel like Goku has a weird thing where he'll waste someone that killed his friends like Freeza or Buu but then if they don't harm him or his crew like Freeza (the
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TwoPair posted:I feel like Goku has a weird thing where he'll waste someone that killed his friends like Freeza or Buu but then if they don't harm him or his crew like Freeza (the Goku literally saved Frieza's life, it is just that he turned around and tried to kill Goku again. To his credit he tried about as hard as physically possible to kill Cell and would have succeeded if he didn't have insane regeneration that somehow depended on his head which Goku blew the gently caress off.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:25
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Even Buu got a "Wow cool, fun match, you better come back again somehow" Cell really is the only major villain he's fought that he showed no desire to refight someday, which I imagine had something to do with how Cell behaved the entire time
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Black August posted:Even Buu got a "Wow cool, fun match, you better come back again somehow" I like to imagine Cell trying to blow himself up was the final straw. Goku does not like sore losers.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:39
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Is it just me or are almost all of Goku's friends people that tried to kill him or beat the crap out of him at one point or another? Seems like he can't make a friend unless they punch him really hard in the face, Tyler Durden style.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:40
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As Nero Danced posted:Is it just me or are almost all of Goku's friends people that tried to kill him or beat the crap out of him at one point or another? Seems like he can't make a friend unless they punch him really hard in the face, Tyler Durden style. Pretty much, even Bulma shot him in the face the first time they met.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:46
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As Nero Danced posted:Is it just me or are almost all of Goku's friends people that tried to kill him or beat the crap out of him at one point or another? Seems like he can't make a friend unless they punch him really hard in the face, Tyler Durden style. Well ya, his first friend is Bulma who shoots him in the face
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As Nero Danced posted:Is it just me or are almost all of Goku's friends people that tried to kill him or beat the crap out of him at one point or another? Seems like he can't make a friend unless they punch him really hard in the face, Tyler Durden style. Its how he met his Grandpa, its all he knows
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