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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I saw an old quote from GRRM yesterday where he said he based Dorne on a mixture of Wales, Spain, and Palestine. Which left me incredibly confused. I guess Wales / Palestine is their political role, and Spain the cultural / aesthetic model? But yeah, that's quite the combo to present.
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quote:”As a child I looked up to my grandfather. I loved visiting him at his house in the country, spending a weekend during summer helping him with the yard and the chickens, and in return he would cook up a grand feast and tell me stories of his adventurous youth. As I nibbled on a piping hot lemoncake he would tell me about his days in the military. He flew fighter jets, even as technology was moving towards drones. The last generation of sky cowboys. He was proud of his exploits, even though he tried to hide it, like the tattoo on his upper bicep. Every time the ace the words 'wild cards' was visible he would pull down his sleeve. I always assumed it was the name of his squadron. Instead of Maverick he was Ace, his wingman was Joker, King, and so on. I wondered if they skipped Queen but I never asked.
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# ? Nov 23, 2021 05:25 |
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Every time someone posts a giant wall of text in this thread, my eyes glaze over and I immediately scroll to the bottom to see if "Winnie The Pooh... Targaryen" is there or not. And I'm always disappointed.
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# ? Nov 24, 2021 11:55 |
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Up to season 4 in my rewatch, and I gotta say that season 2 was a lot worse than I remember it being. It's where you start to see cracks in plot logic, dumbed-down characters that are played straight from their book counterparts, ridiculous Littlefinger, bad dialogue, homophobia/sexism. The taking away of Dany's agency becomes apparent in this too, as they keep giving events from the book to her simp male followers, like giving the Quaithe conversation to Jorah or the Yunkai victory entirely to Daario later on (with her being naked in the scene, of course). You can sort of feel the writers getting desperate to get to The Red Wedding before the show is possibly cancelled, too. Lots of plot points are blazed through and checked off of a list without making much sense. I remember thinking the whole Qhorin plot was wonky on my first watch (before I'd read the book). Lots of bad dumb jokes, too, like the line where Daenerys pronounces "Qarth" wrong, which actually kind of doesn't make sense.
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# ? Nov 24, 2021 16:57 |
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My Babies.
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# ? Nov 25, 2021 14:22 |
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:ridiculous Littlefinger, a lot of people cite Aiden Gillen's scenery-chewing creep performance (and the show-only sexposition scenes) as a big adaptation change, since book Littlefinger is supposedly meant to be friendly and nonthreatening, while Gillen's take on the character is so obviously sinister from the start I do lay a lot of blame for that on GRRM, though, for giving book Littlefinger such a stereotypical creep description as soon as he shows up in AGOT
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# ? Nov 26, 2021 07:18 |
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PupsOfWar posted:a lot of people cite Aiden Gillen's scenery-chewing creep performance (and the show-only sexposition scenes) as a big adaptation change, since book Littlefinger is supposedly meant to be friendly and nonthreatening, while Gillen's take on the character is so obviously sinister from the start Yeah, there aren't many characters who are actually more villainous in the show than in the books, so Littlefinger stands out even though it's largely (not completely) an artifact of the books saying "this guy everyone thinks of as charming and witty is actually a huge scheming creep" and the show having to find a way to translate that.
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# ? Nov 26, 2021 18:45 |
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D&D are morons who have no sense of subtlety at all so it's not surprising they handled Littlefinger in such a hamfisted way.
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# ? Nov 26, 2021 20:55 |
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I mean that was my first impression of Season 2 a decade ago, so not to be but yeah I'ma be a little about that. We all had a lot more good will for that show than was deserved.
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# ? Nov 26, 2021 21:49 |
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Really it's the scheming facial hair that gives the game away
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# ? Nov 26, 2021 22:14 |
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One thing I've noticed in the fandom since the show ended is people seem way more interested in the Griff/Aegon storyline than they used to be. When Dance came out it felt like the universal consensus was "this sucks, why are we spending so much time on these nobody characters" but it seems like since the show ended the way it did, people became more cognizant of the function Aegon likely serves (a problem Dany can't simply overwhelm with her armies, and which strikes at the very legitimacy of her whole claim, seems useful if the plan is for a Dany heel turn) that or the Aegon=Blackfyre theory has had time to percolate around and people decided it was cool PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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PupsOfWar posted:One thing I've noticed in the fandom since the show ended is people seem way more interested in the Griff/Aegon storyline than they used to be. It’s called Stockholm Syndrom.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 02:14 |
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"How desperate for new ASoIaF content were you?" "I did fan-theories about Faegon" "Well, that's not so ba--" "In 2021" "Oh honey..."
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 03:15 |
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It's also basically the only thing that gives Varys any sort of motivation.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 03:30 |
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PupsOfWar posted:One thing I've noticed in the fandom since the show ended is people seem way more interested in the Griff/Aegon storyline than they used to be. As much as I don't care about the Aegon story, it's very much a fundamental part of GRRM's plot, and I feel like a lot of the interest you're seeing is a side effect of realizing how badly the show's plots suffer from just sloppily excising it, rather than finding a logical way to reassign its pieces to keep those plot paths stable. (No, "Varys actually supported Daenerys all along" doesn't count as logical.)
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 03:34 |
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PupsOfWar posted:One thing I've noticed in the fandom since the show ended is people seem way more interested in the Griff/Aegon storyline than they used to be. I posted this in the thread a while back, a summary of a theory I saw on Reddit a little after the finale aired: Phenotype posted:In one of the earlier books, Daenerys had that prophetic dream about a cloth dragon on sticks with the people cheering, which might have meant Griff (the fake dragon/Targaryen) and Jon Connington's army takes over King's Landing before Daenerys gets there. When she finally arrives she sees another Targaryen has survived and taken what she thought was her birthright, and since Griff has been raised to be a good king, the people love him, and so Daenerys ends up seeing her entire quest was meaningless, her destiny meant nothing. Maybe she finds out Griff is a fake, too, and so it sets the scene for her to lose her mind and burn King's Landing to the ground in a much more fulfilling way than in the show. Since grrm has said his ending is very similar to the one we got in the TV show, it's a pretty compelling theory that the Aegon bits that got cut were pretty crucial to making the ending work.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 17:11 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s called Stockholm Syndrom. Did you know that's not a real thing. Actually invented by a male psychiatrist when a woman in a hostage situation said he did a poo poo job as a hostage negotiator. The original Stockholm syndrome was just 100% pure gaslighting.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 19:42 |
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pseudanonymous posted:Did you know that's not a real thing. Actually invented by a male psychiatrist when a woman in a hostage situation said he did a poo poo job as a hostage negotiator. The original Stockholm syndrome was just 100% pure gaslighting. It’s more real than this series ever getting another book.
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# ? Nov 27, 2021 23:16 |
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What level of cope is this?
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 20:49 |
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That's reasonable if they mean two or three normal books -- ADWD was around 420,000 words, which is about four normal books worth of writing. Also factor in that he moved the ending of Book 5 to the beginning of Book 6 and I could believe he was sitting around the 75% mark, which is why he keeps acting like it's almost finished. Of course, that would mean he still has another 100k to go, so....
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 23:05 |
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vseslav.botkin posted:That's reasonable if they mean two or three normal books -- ADWD was around 420,000 words, which is about four normal books worth of writing. Also factor in that he moved the ending of Book 5 to the beginning of Book 6 and I could believe he was sitting around the 75% mark, which is why he keeps acting like it's almost finished. Of course, that would mean he still has another 100k to go, so.... I mean, speculation on how much of the books he has actually written is pretty pointless. Whether he has 1000 words written or a million, he's clearly in no rush to make a book of them. And we don't know why, either. Lots of theories make sense - he's lost interest, he's written himself into a corner, he's too busy with other stuff, he can't deal with the show overtaking him: all plausible, but ultimately what difference does it make?
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 23:11 |
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Well, personally, I think it's extremely funny.
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 23:17 |
the longest english language fantasy series ever written, The Wandering Inn, at 8.6 million words and still ongoing, has been written entirely within the period between the releases of A Dance with Dragons and Winds of Winter
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# ? Nov 30, 2021 23:29 |
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imo there's no way gurm can finish the series in just 2 more books, so whether he ever finishes book 6 (maybe) or even book 7 (probably not) is irrelevant to the question of whether he finishes the series (he won't) the amount of corner-cutting in the latter half of the show is what crystalized this for me PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Nov 30, 2021 |
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PupsOfWar posted:One thing I've noticed in the fandom since the show ended is people seem way more interested in the Griff/Aegon storyline than they used to be. This debate is kind of a microcosm to see if someone is still hanging on to this story finishing. If you don't think FAegon has a huge role in the endgame, you have to admit that huge portions of Dance are almost entirely pointless to the story as a whole and really start to see where the wheels fell off in keeping the plot moving forward. If you see him having a huge role, or even being 'actually' an Aegon, you're diluting yourself into thinking GURM actually had a plan all along.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 00:31 |
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Jazerus posted:the longest english language fantasy series ever written, The Wandering Inn, at 8.6 million words and still ongoing, has been written entirely within the period between the releases of A Dance with Dragons and Winds of Winter I'm not sure a terrible shovelware LitRPG is really a good source of comparison. It's more of a fanfic. Don't get me wrong, GURM is a fucker and we're not getting the books, but really, I'd rather have nothing at all than something of the quality of the Wandering Inn, with its Trumpquotes and Harry Potter Houses and Leveling Up My Innkeeping Skill "Erin tossed a potato peel at him. Rabbiteater caught it, and munched on it. She shook her head. “It’s not an insult to me. Because…I’m a Hufflepuff, Rabbiteater. Me too.” He looked at her. “But you smart. You…are…smart.” He corrected himself. Erin smiled. “Not according to the online test. I’m 40% Hufflepuff, 60% Gryffindor. But everyone gets Gryffindor. And really—I’m good at chess. " Mr. Grapes! fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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i knew somebody was going to do this instead of just laughing at the slow words man it's a fair point of comparison when it's 8.6 million words (which i personally enjoy more than most of gurm's words but you're welcome to view it as trash if that's how you feel, although your "example" text is, well, probably the worst six lines you could pull out of the whole story, and from one of the earliest volumes, too) vs 400k. aside from that, i do not personally feel that latter-day asoiaf has any special literary quality at all. gurm isn't tolkien by a long shot Jazerus fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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if the position you want to take is that the anonymous channer author of The Wandering Inn puts out better work than gurm, i dont think anyone can realistically stop you
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PupsOfWar posted:if the position you want to take is that the anonymous channer author of The Wandering Inn puts out better work than gurm, i dont think anyone can realistically stop you it would extremely surprise me if the author of TWI had any tolerance whatsoever for channers there are a lot of valid criticisms you can make of TWI but these aren't it, folks
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 03:32 |
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I feel like if you don’t want a fantasy series you like to get made fun of, bringing it up in a thread that’s become entirely about making GBS threads on a guy’s fantasy novels in increasingly elaborate ways was maybe a little risky
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 03:40 |
Guy A. Person posted:I feel like if you don’t want a fantasy series you like to get made fun of, bringing it up in a thread that’s become entirely about making GBS threads on a guy’s fantasy novels in increasingly elaborate ways was maybe a little risky that's fair i don't much care about people's opinions of TWI, i responded because the criticism was very dumb unlike all of the criticism of grrm
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 04:14 |
Holy poo poo.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:12 |
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Mr. Grapes! posted:“It’s not an insult to me. Because…I’m a Hufflepuff, Rabbiteater. Me too.” Thanks, I now have advanced terminal AIDS cancer. In my balls.
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 07:04 |
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hitler had gone super-saiyan....
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 07:38 |
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Jazerus posted:that's fair Have to disagree here, the criticism was very good Like all of the criticism of grrm,
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 08:41 |
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Mr. Grapes! posted:I'm not sure a terrible shovelware LitRPG is really a good source of comparison. It's more of a fanfic. now that's podracing!
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# ? Dec 1, 2021 11:44 |
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pidan posted:Kazakhs have always been pretty diverse, but yeah, that picture is definitely not a typical look for an ethnic kazakh person living a steppe lifestyle. Otoh she's fluent in kazakh and rides horses better than anyone here in west Texas or back on canadian farms, and GRRM wasn't writing in 1795. Kinda my point, it's a bit racist that the ur-Dothraki is a hawaiian and they all look a certain way, while irl it's totally cool for randos to call my girlfriend not kazakh enough because she doesn't look right. As said, the dothraki could have been a lot more interesting. Still could be but lol fat man is not writing any more books. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Pausing my rewatch to look back at problems I've had with the first few seasons, and boy it really does feel like Dave and Dan are the most responsible for the show's decline in terms of writing. So many of their episodes not only have the "show don't tell" problem of characters constantly explaining who they or other characters are while repeating lines like "He's the one who killed the Halfhand!", but their episodes also poison the well with massive character divergences that writers of other episodes then have to deal with. They also have the far and way worst dialogue and humor of any of the episodes.
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# ? Dec 2, 2021 19:20 |
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benioff & weiss are the strongest evidence that you should never let Posters be in charge of anything like, drat, these 2 guys whose main qualification is they posted a lot on A Forum of Ice and Fire aren't good screenwriters?
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PupsOfWar posted:benioff & weiss are the strongest evidence that you should never let Posters be in charge of anything their main qualifications are daddies money
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