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I am a pessimistic idealist and that's why I think we should improve society somewhat and go on about it constantly, even though it's probably impossible My anti-vaxx, covid-denying, conspiracy theorist father is an avowed and vocal optimist who is nihilistically cynical and believes that even trying to improve society somewhat is the first step to gulags So yeah, very astute
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mystes posted:I'm fed up with capitalism so it must be about to collapse imminently, a thought that definitely nobody in CSPAM or this thread has ever had. you feeling okay, bud?
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euphronius posted:you don’t understand . Chris Hayes’ personal assistant has put in multiple hours arranging different school options for his kids . he’s very worn out its always so weird to learn that these psychos and freaks have kids. like the fact that elon musk has 6 kids was mind-blowing for me. not only did he convince someone to let him reproduce, it seems to have imparted no wisdom to him at all
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Dec 15, 2021 18:09
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Dec 15, 2021 18:10
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Kylaer posted:I've never said anything of the sort. When a poster asked "why covid, why now," the answer is because it was being deliberately studied, almost certainly by use of gain of function research, and someone got careless with their safety measures in the lab. There is nothing unusual about scientific research killing researchers and others. The only thing that makes covid exceptional is that it managed to propagate into a worldwide pandemic. Lab work resulting in death has happened countless times and should surprise no-one. Pushing the margins of science is inherently dangerous. 10 CHINESE MUST DIE FOR EVERY AMERICAN WHO HAS DIED! WE HAVE NUKES! WE MUST SHOW THAT YOUNG COMMUNIST NATION WHO IS BOSS!
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Kylaer posted:It wasn't a bioweapon. It wasn't a deliberate release.  bill gates pushed the button the moment he got word that his buddy jeff was suicided.
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https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1YpKkZaYpbjxj?t=JpfHxwpG0UnR9yEIwoZN3w&s=09 Boris press conference. He said omicron is showing a 2 day doubling rate in some parts of england.
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Kylaer posted:I've never said anything of the sort. When a poster asked "why covid, why now," the answer is because it was being deliberately studied, almost certainly by use of gain of function research, and someone got careless with their safety measures in the lab. There is nothing unusual about scientific research killing researchers and others. The only thing that makes covid exceptional is that it managed to propagate into a worldwide pandemic. Lab work resulting in death has happened countless times and should surprise no-one. Pushing the margins of science is inherently dangerous. this is silly because covid was later found to have been in italy six months or more before china alerted the world to wuhan.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:12
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Mr Hootington posted:CHINA MUST PAY It's so funny to me because like, let's assume for the sake of the argument that China is somehow culpable. Let's go a step further, let's pretend that China deliberately created and unleashed the plague for nefarious reasons. That information would be useful and require acting on, yes, but not now. Let's look at an analogy; you awake in the middle of the night to find your home ablaze. Finding out how and why your home caught fire so that you could prevent it in the future, and if it was arson find out who did it and bring them to justice, is of course a reasonable and necessary thing. But not right now. Right now, the only sane thing to do is to focus on putting out the fire. I don't care how this fire started right now. When it's out, then we can talk about whatever insane nonsense the arson conspiracists want to talk about. I mean, I know I asked earlier about how/why this is happening now, but I mean like, from the perspective of a policy maker who can actually do something about the fire. I don't want anyone in congress focusing on how COVID got started, I want them focusing on loving stopping it. Put out the fire, then we can talk about what idiot left the oven on.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:13
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HiroProtagonist posted:this is silly because covid was later found to have been in italy six months or more before china alerted the world to wuhan. does anybody have a recent source for this now that the initial phase has been well-studied?
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Serf posted:its always so weird to learn that these psychos and freaks have kids. like the fact that elon musk has 6 kids was mind-blowing for me. not only did he convince someone to let him reproduce, it seems to have imparted no wisdom to him at all the wisdom of parenthood isn’t imparted on you when you can just pay strangers to look after your children
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Dec 15, 2021 18:14
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Atrocious Joe posted:Mainstream culture, in the US at least, seem to not understand that sometimes things can change forever for the worse. but i was told things only get better
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Atrocious Joe posted:Mainstream culture, in the US at least, seem to not understand that sometimes things can change forever for the worse. It's baffling since I grew up during the societal changes around Columbine and 9/11. Both were clear inflection points where everything got worse. How did some people not notice?
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Louisgod posted:aww poor liberals, doing the absolute bare minimum and expecting that to solve our problems didn't work and they can't ignore the pandemic like they do other societal ills. given how much of blue maga's playbook comes from copying from red maga i expect ignoring it to shift to denial
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1YpKkZaYpbjxj?t=JpfHxwpG0UnR9yEIwoZN3w&s=09 the sign language top notch on this broadcast
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Serf posted:i love this idea of being "fed up" with covid As a chronic illness haver, I would like to see these people try to deal with a chronic illness that permeates every single facet of your existence and is utterly inescapable, forever 
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What's that saying about 'this year was an average year, worse than last year, but better than next year"
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meet girls at the store posted:As a chronic illness haver, I would like to see these people try to deal with a chronic illness that permeates every single facet of your existence and is utterly inescapable, forever i get fed up with having to wear shorts all the time just so i have easy access to my prosthetic leg when it starts to get full of sweat. hell i get tired of having to stand on one leg in the shower. but being tired of it hasn't made my foot grow back
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Dec 15, 2021 18:17
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1YpKkZaYpbjxj?t=JpfHxwpG0UnR9yEIwoZN3w&s=09 I'm sure this won't happen in the good ol' U-S-of-A. The virus fears our freedoms. It wouldn't dare.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:18
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So we just got some 7500 series half mask respirators. Which filters do we need for covid? Just the highest possible particulate filter? I assume that will also help in smoggy days and wildfire season right?
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Dec 15, 2021 18:18
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Salt Fish posted:What's that saying about 'this year was an average year, worse than last year, but better than next year" https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1310531559657803776?s=20
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Andenno posted:It's baffling since I grew up during the societal changes around Columbine and 9/11. Both were clear inflection points where everything got worse. How did some people not notice? poo poo has been horrible for people in America forever it’s now also getting bad for middle class white people capital has moved beyond the petty confines of representative government so it’s all downhill
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, most of the worst information is coming from relatively reliable sources. Also if you sound too negative and appear in the news the Daily Mail will go through your bins and put pictures of your children in the paper.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:19
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meet girls at the store posted:As a chronic illness haver, I would like to see these people try to deal with a chronic illness that permeates every single facet of your existence and is utterly inescapable, forever good news, have you heard about covid-19?
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Dec 15, 2021 18:20
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meet girls at the store posted:As a chronic illness haver, I would like to see these people try to deal with a chronic illness that permeates every single facet of your existence and is utterly inescapable, forever just talking with my mom yesterday her: they say its fast but its mild. me: you told me yourself that your life has been permanently changed, your brain damaged, and you feel like you have alzheimers at times--would you call that mild? her: yes because i didn't go to the hospital. i think we should just all get it and get it over with. lol.
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Andenno posted:It's baffling since I grew up during the societal changes around Columbine and 9/11. Both were clear inflection points where everything got worse. How did some people not notice? They got worse because we let Liberals take God out of schools and are letting our children play violent games like Doom. And 9/11 only happened because Clinton ignored the warnings and missed our chance to get Bin Laden, and if the Liberals didn't loving sabotage our efforts in the Middle East and let us fight the savages properly - no quarter - then we'd have done great and be so much richer from the oil. The world didn't get worse forever, we just made the mistake of letting Liberals ruin things. Once President Trump Makes America Great Again, we won't have any problems and everything will be great, you'll see - assuming we bother to give pinko libs like you windows in your cells.
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Salt Fish posted:What's that saying about 'this year was an average year, worse than last year, but better than next year" Today was good. Worse than yesterday but better than tomorrow
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Dec 15, 2021 18:22
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I really do think with how bad everyone is at precautions at my workplace, there will be a not insignificant number of people who will have to have an extended Christmas vacation this year. Either that or they'll show up sick.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:23
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Mr Hootington posted:Pfizer Phauci at it again. Shiving Moderna for being honest. Remember when mRNA vaccines were awesome because they had the possibility of being rapidly retooled for emerging variants. Well, we're just not going to do the retooling part because it costs money and the politics are about to shift hard against vaccination. Better hope those free boosters has lasting protection because they're the last ones you'll get.
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Dec 15, 2021 18:24
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https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1471165465464508419?s=21 open up
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kater posted:who doesn’t want to be in a waking dream. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maky%C5%8D this is a thing certain meditative practices can make you super aware of, but, we're all just watching our own hallucinatory movie on our own internal screen all the time. Much of Aleister Crowley's "magic" was just the idea you can manipulate your ontology to experience whatever you want. And, of course, the idea is much older, from Plato's Cave to Milton's "The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” Granted, I expect if you're living in Gitmo, turning that into "heaven" would require a mind orders of magnitude stronger than my feeble lizard brain.
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Hey guys, wha- *looks at Worldometers UK case load of 78k*  
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:It's so funny to me because like, let's assume for the sake of the argument that China is somehow culpable. Let's go a step further, let's pretend that China deliberately created and unleashed the plague for nefarious reasons.
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euphronius posted:poo poo has been horrible for people in America forever RoboChrist 9000 posted:Once President Trump Makes America Great Again, we won't have any problems and everything will be great, you'll see - assuming we bother to give pinko libs like you windows in your cells. 
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It's awesome how the enormity of Fauci's crimes is so great that there is literally nothing any human being could ever do to him that would even begin to approach justice. His crimes surpass our ability to punish.
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Mr Hootington posted:10 CHINESE MUST DIE FOR EVERY AMERICAN WHO HAS DIED! WE HAVE NUKES! WE MUST SHOW THAT YOUNG COMMUNIST NATION WHO IS BOSS! You're doing the lib thing. "You said something bad about Biden? Put on your MAGA hat and get out of here, Trump-lover!" HiroProtagonist posted:this is silly because covid was later found to have been in italy six months or more before china alerted the world to wuhan. If this were the case, it would have taken off in Italy before it did in Wuhan. Saying it started somewhere other than Wuhan is implausible, along the lines of saying omicron didn't start in South Africa. Especially since there is literally a papertrail of money coming from the U.S. NIH, through the EcoHealth Alliance, to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study bat coronaviruses, which is an area of research that Peter Daszak is very keen on. RoboChrist 9000 posted:I mean, I know I asked earlier about how/why this is happening now, but I mean like, from the perspective of a policy maker who can actually do something about the fire. I don't want anyone in congress focusing on how COVID got started, I want them focusing on loving stopping it. Very reasonable. I wish the people in power would do something about covid too. Unfortunately they aren't interested in doing so.
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you can stop doing restrictions because I'm the protagonist and I'll take care of myself no matter what and if you're a good enough supporting character for me then you'll also be fine and/or a fine lesson for me to take to heart
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meet girls at the store posted:As a chronic illness haver, I would like to see these people try to deal with a chronic illness that permeates every single facet of your existence and is utterly inescapable, forever This is the comparison I keep coming back too. I haven't had to deal with a chronic illness so I'm hesitant about fleshing out the idea. Sometimes for health reasons people need to rearrange how they live their lives, and the changes they need to make can be huge. It's literally been a constant part of the human condition.
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Kylaer posted:
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