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Blaze Dragon posted:That happened in the Tournament of Power though. I'm not going to do the meme. Multiverse has a lot of issues, but it's a perfectly fun premise with a lot of neat ideas scattered among the rough.
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Blaze Dragon posted:That happened in the Tournament of Power though. I don't mean like barely willing alliance of convenience with him going back to his old tricks whenever he gets a chance, it was more in line with Vegeta's whole arc.
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multiverse somehow made king cold having two extra forms boring and stupid lol
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Kanos posted:So the bomb Goku made to kill Vegeta was tiny because it was assembled hastily from grass and plants and stuff Nah, it was small because Ape-Vegeta blasted Goku who lost concentration and the energy dissipated (remember that it was supposed to beat that same Veggie, so it needed to pack a pretty big oomph).
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to me freeza becoming a good guy will never be as fun as him immediately going back to wiping planets the second he’s brought back to life.
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TheHan posted:to me freeza becoming a good guy will never be as fun as him immediately going back to wiping planets the second he’s brought back to life. Don't forget immediately trying to kill Goku and Vegeta if only by proxy The fact that he came back and kept being Freeza is the best thing
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Feb 16, 2022 22:17
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Burkion posted:Don't forget immediately trying to kill Goku and Vegeta if only by proxy It owns that Frieza has even had character growth as shown in Broly and the ToP but is still by and large an rear end in a top hat
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Feb 16, 2022 22:22
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he's gone from a villain you love to hate to one that you hate to love
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The Bee posted:A Cell spirit bomb that literally forced the energy out of other beings, to the point where they started dropping dead fron exertion, would've been a really cool setpiece. The father-son Kamehameha beam struggle is way too special of a moment to replace, though, so I'm not sure where you would've put it. Moro did a version of that.
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Feb 16, 2022 22:38
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Frieza's character growth has mostly been in becoming a better villain who works harder and smarter towards his goals and I'm here for it. He's even got enough wisdom in his age to abandon wishing for immortality even when he could do so easily.
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Feb 17, 2022 01:26
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I was smiling when DBS brolly, when asked if he wanted to wish for immortality he's like nah that takes the fun out of fighting.
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Rody One Half posted:Tien can learn whatever he wants, he'll never surpass the strongest human, Krillin Krillin has no nose and married an android. He doesn't count.
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Feb 17, 2022 01:42
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To Tenshinhan doubters:
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tenshinhan couldnt even get an elimination in the tournament of power
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Lamebot posted:To Tenshinhan doubters: He sucks
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Lmfao somehow we always go back to the Tien sucks cycle haha  god they did him so dirty.
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Lamebot posted:Krillin has no nose and married an android. He doesn't count. That's WHY he counts
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Shindragon posted:Lmfao somehow we always go back to the Tien sucks cycle haha It's tien sucks -> gohan sucks -> current villains suck -> frieza owns -> repeat That's this thread. That's all of it.
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Feb 17, 2022 02:40
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You forgot power levels is bullshit. But yeah haha.
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KittyEmpress posted:It's tien sucks -> gohan sucks -> current villains suck -> frieza owns -> repeat Are you Akira because you didn't remember "Toriyama Forgot"
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Feb 17, 2022 02:57
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Hit's cool
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KittyEmpress posted:It's tien sucks -> gohan sucks -> current villains suck -> frieza owns -> repeat You left out Goku being a bad dad who doesnt know what kissing is
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I'm starting to think that guy's
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Captain Baal posted:Hit's cool He's so sick.
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dr.acula posted:You left out Goku being a bad dad who doesnt know what kissing is Goku being a bad dad is usually part of the gohan sucks conversation, so I just mentally file them together.
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speaking of Cell, whatever happened to Dragon Ball Dead by Daylight? Is it still incredibly imbalanced in favor of the villain?
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Captain Baal posted:Hit's cool I'm bummed that Toriyama made a villain with a cool power that required thought to work around until suddenly Goku realizes "Oh yeah, I can power up". Then he just becomes too strong to be stopped in time. How does that even work!?
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time has a lower power level than ssb + kaioken its very simple when you think about it
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lezard_valeth posted:speaking of Cell, whatever happened to Dragon Ball Dead by Daylight? Is it still incredibly imbalanced in favor of the villain? It’s still underdevelopment. And the heroes have a good chance as long as they play clever.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I'm bummed that Toriyama made a villain with a cool power that required thought to work around until suddenly Goku realizes "Oh yeah, I can power up". Then he just becomes too strong to be stopped in time. Goku by that point was loving up the fabric of reality by fighting Beerus at the start of the series.
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MonsterEnvy posted:It’s still underdevelopment. And the heroes have a good chance as long as they play clever. Trusting 7 randos to be clever is... A poor bet.
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Rewatching YuYu Hakasho, i realize that the ToP was basically the Dark Tournament except everybody in that had wacky powers (which admittedly ToP also had some of) that power levels really didn't matter against, and you can definitely compare Togoro to Jiren, but Togoro actually had a very straightfoward but very nuanced goal/reason for fighting as he goaded and prodded Yusuke to his limits throughout the whole thing, and Jiren wanted to be strong...because ??? What I'm saying is that Hit is a way more interesting rival/ challenge to Goku and his fight against Jiren was highway robbery.
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I just thought what is gonna be the equivalent of the flashlight spamming for Dragon Ball DBD
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khwarezm posted:Frieza's character growth has mostly been in becoming a better villain who works harder and smarter towards his goals and I'm here for it. He's even got enough wisdom in his age to abandon wishing for immortality even when he could do so easily. One has to wonder if he somehow heard about Garlic Jr, or just has the insight after spending a decade years in Earth's Hell to realise that when he's had it made clear he's not the most powerful mortal in the universe anymore, that even if his body was indestructible he'd still potentially end up in a fate that makes death look good.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:One has to wonder if he somehow heard about Garlic Jr, or just has the insight after spending a decade years in Earth's Hell to realise that when he's had it made clear he's not the most powerful mortal in the universe anymore, that even if his body was indestructible he'd still potentially end up in a fate that makes death look good. It's none of that at all. We already know why Frieza made this decision, and none of it was reasoned, intelligent, or sinister. He a goddamn punch-junky now. He wants Good Fights. You get those with the ab-so-loving-LUTELY insane adrenaline high of fighting to the death at the peak of your limits. He can't get that almighty drug if he's never at risk of dying.
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He basically got Goku-Frienditist.
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TulliusCicero posted:Rewatching YuYu Hakasho, i realize that the ToP was basically the Dark Tournament except everybody in that had wacky powers (which admittedly ToP also had some of) that power levels really didn't matter against, and you can definitely compare Togoro to Jiren, but Togoro actually had a very straightfoward but very nuanced goal/reason for fighting as he goaded and prodded Yusuke to his limits throughout the whole thing, and Jiren wanted to be strong...because ??? Jiren's motivation is pretty simple. An evil dude killed his family, so he picked himself up and joined a group to get revenge on the evil guy, made friends with everyone in the group, and then the evil guy killed that group too, leaving Jiren the only survivor. He then decided that relying on others to be strong simply gave you a weak point and opened you up to suffering and resolved to be the strongest person ever on his own merits. Presumably he probably would have used the super dragon balls to wish his family and friends back from the dead(and then all of them would have been erased because the ToP was basically a brutal honeypot trap). Unfortunately we only got any of this motivation like four episodes before the end of the show despite the arc being like 40% of the show.
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it's pretty obvious they had nothing written for Jiren when the ToP began the actual story he got was a good idea - "What if Goku never had resurrection wishes and went insane training?" - but it came so late (because it was clearly written that late) that there was zero momentum to make Jiren interesting with it
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