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OctaMurk posted:Agreed on the nukes, however TBH, I think the whole "CLANCYCHAT" thing is a little ironic right? The largest country in the Europe led by an unhinged dictator has just invaded the second largest country in Europe, sparking the region's largest conventional war since World War II. This would be the basis for a Clancy novel; and as little as months ago it would have been clancychat to even discuss Russia launching a no-poo poo, full-scale invasion of Ukraine to occupy the entire thing instead of just the Eastern portion. It's not really ironic. This thread is moving incredibly fast and there's plenty of actual news and discussion to be had that doesn't spin off into speculation of unlikely things. I mean, yes, the situation is pretty loving Clancy but we don't need to derail the thread and ratchet everyone's anxiety up further by wondering about nukes hitting the US.
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Ashmole posted:Re: tank talk Problem is that as We’ve seen they just have no fuel. With 0 fuel reserve and a strict time schedule bounding overwatch, advancing across terrain and taking better terrain are all out of the picture. Ukraine isn’t horrible thank ground but cross-country you still use so.much.more fuel not only bc of terrain but bc of reduced speed.
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Xotl posted:How much longer is the mud thought to last for? In many of the soils, it will be wet and muddy all summer. Especially much of the farm land which is full of decayed organics. Ukraine makes a lot of wheat. Clearings that look like inviting grasslands will vary from solid ground to tank traps in the span of a few hundred meters. Of course you’re suppose to have experienced commanders who can tell what ground to cross on. They seem to be lacking those at the moment ethanol fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Feb 28, 2022 |
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Wasn't the Belarusians supposed to have started their offensive by now?
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Hamelekim posted:I do wonder if Putin really is suffering from serious health issues at the moment. If so that could make him incredibly dangerous and unstable in his decision making in a crisis like this. It's a terminal case of botox.
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Valtonen posted:Problem is that as We’ve seen they just have no fuel. With 0 fuel reserve and a strict time schedule bounding overwatch, advancing across terrain and taking better terrain are all out of the picture. Ukraine isn’t horrible thank ground but cross-country you still use so.much.more fuel not only bc of terrain but bc of reduced speed. Especially with them not basing in Ukraine. They are going across the border every night because they can't move the supply lines any further out.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:He’s older and fatter, there’s no need to brainstorm conspiracies where he’s taking the whole world with him because he’s terminal or some poo poo. also botox
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Charlz Guybon posted:If anonymous wants to hack a Russian tv feed with something, they should do it with this, not Ukrainian folk songs. Morrow posted:It's a terminal case of botox.
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Morrow posted:It's a terminal case of botox. I heard that's a pretty serious condition.
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ethanol posted:In many of the soils, it will be wet and muddy all summer. Especially much of the farm land which is full of decayed organics. Ukraine makes a lot of wheat. Clearings that look like inviting grasslands will vary from solid ground to tank traps in the span of a few hundred meters. Of course you’re suppose to have experienced commanders who can tell what ground to cross on. They seem to be lacking those at the moment How do agricultural tractors do it? Just from their lighter weight, or do the farmlands have better drainage?
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TasogareNoKagi posted:How do agricultural tractors do it? Just from their lighter weight, or do the farmlands have better drainage? Tend to have very tall and or wide drive wheels and are not very heavy. Are not wearing armor
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Mr. Apollo posted:It's been said before, but their social media game is really good. The Jingo's dialed up on those more directly receiving state funding. Not that they don't have a point, but it's still pretty uncomfortable. https://twitter.com/UATV_en/status/1498062667721887751 Haven't heard from Illia Ponomarenko of the Kyiv Independent in about 12 hours. Hoping he's just getting some well needed rest; greedily not wanting the fog of war to apply to me, over here, on the computer.
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TasogareNoKagi posted:How do agricultural tractors do it? Just from their lighter weight, or do the farmlands have better drainage? Average tractor is about 8 tons. A Russian T-72 is about 40 tons.
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https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1497953304378327043 Not that it means Ukraine will win or anything, but it does look like the reports of massive equipment losses by the Russians may be accurate.
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ethanol posted:In many of the soils, it will be wet and muddy all summer. Especially much of the farm land which is full of decayed organics. Ukraine makes a lot of wheat. Clearings that look like inviting grasslands will vary from solid ground to tank traps in the span of a few thousand meters. Of course you’re suppose to have experienced commanders who can tell what ground to cross on. They seem to be lacking those at the moment Fertile loam makes great farmland because it's soft and loose. There's a reason tractor tires have giant almost paddle-like treads on em, traction is a major issue. They actually make tracked tractors, but the design is completely different. Again, deeper tread wider apart, and ones in the weight class of a tank have 4 tracks instead of two so you can actually turn the fuckers. This Bad boy is just under 30 tons  And the quads are still a super recent design as far as tractors go - first released in 1996ish. So apparently it hasn't been integrated into tank design yet. KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Feb 28, 2022 |
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Hamelekim posted:I heard that's a pretty serious condition.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Average tractor is about 8 tons. A Russian T-72 is about 40 tons. There's a stat for that called ground pressure. Also, most tractors don't move on caterpilar treads which spread the weight out over a much larger area.
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TasogareNoKagi posted:How do agricultural tractors do it? Just from their lighter weight, or do the farmlands have better drainage? lighter weight. tractors just need to be a big engine and big wheels, thats it. you don't need to armor them or carry a gun around, plus ammo, plus defensive equipment, plus optics, etc
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And the drunk Russian dogs probably sit and jerk off in the tanks for hours on end so it ends up sinking before they can muster enough vigor to proceed with putins agenda. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DOOMocrat posted:The Jingo's dialed up on those more directly receiving state funding. Not that they don't have a point, but it's still pretty uncomfortable. They do not have a point.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1497953304378327043 It’s not just that too, but even if/when they take Kyiv they will be up against resistance who is getting more weapons. Compared to the economic uncertainty and dwindling supply/manpower the Russians have. They may get the city today, but won’t be able to keep it.
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KitConstantine posted:Fertile loam makes great farmland because it's soft and loose. There's a reason tractor tires have giant almost paddle-like treads on em, traction is a major issue. Because reducing ground pressure is everything for a tank, quad tracks are less advantageous for a heavy vehicle. It doesn’t really matter what you put on a 50 ton object they all sink and get sick in mud. You can’t make a tank 40 ft tall either. (I think Germany probably tried though) The key to traction on tracks is to stay above the muck, being light helps with that . Russians actually has these vehicles and they’re not using them. They pulled out the tanks instead. Because they made like 8000 of them I guess
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They may have to surrender Crimea and Donetsk entirely. I mean what's the repercussion if Ukraine shits out the Russian army? Can they retake the original borders?
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TasogareNoKagi posted:How do agricultural tractors do it? Just from their lighter weight, or do the farmlands have better drainage? Agricutural tractors do get bogged. However yes, they are lighter and have tires designed to not churn the ground up. Also farmers try to select times when the ground is able to support cultivation equipment.
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Hamelekim posted:I heard that's a pretty serious condition. Especially if used in the butt.
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DOOMocrat posted:Haven't heard from Illia Ponomarenko of the Kyiv Independent in about 12 hours. Hoping he's just getting some well needed rest; greedily not wanting the fog of war to apply to me, over here, on the computer. Looks like he's up and he's quite excited.... https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1498174286095388676
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ethanol posted:Because reducing ground pressure is everything for a tank, quad tracks are less advantageous for a heavy vehicle. It doesn’t really matter what you put on a 50 ton object they all sink and get sick in mud. You can’t make a tank 40 ft tall either. (I think Germany probably tried though) The key to traction on tracks is to stay above the muck, being light helps with that . Russians actually has these vehicles and they’re not using them. They pulled out the tanks instead. Because they made like 8000 of them I guess Probably also because tanks have guns and tractors don't
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KitConstantine posted:Probably also because tanks have guns and tractors don't Counterpoint I’m 99% sure my neighbor is armed in his tractor daily
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:They may have to surrender Crimea and Donetsk entirely. The situation is evolving so quickly I don't think anyone can predict what will happen. The EU is escalating much more aggressively than anyone expected. The Kyiv offensive seems to be going poorly but at the same time the Russians still have a huge numerical advantage and are advancing on multiple fronts.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I mean what's the repercussion if Ukraine shits out the Russian army? Can they retake the original borders? Way too early to claim victory if Russia decides not to care about civilian casualties and sieges Kyiv. If Russia considers Donbas+Crimea their territory now, then no you can't take it back for the same reason NATO can't attack Russia - you can't attack the territory of a nuclear state. Even if Russia has 1 tank left. It's never been done and never will. I think the best hope now is Putin being overthrown, to be honest, I'm not sure if Ukraine will agree to give up Donbas in a peace deal.
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KitConstantine posted:Probably also because tanks have guns and tractors don't We don't call tanks "murder tractors" for a reason.
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alg posted:Do most American cities have sirens? I grew up with tornado sirens in the Midwest, but I've never heard any sirens where I live in the South now, not even a test. SF has an air raid siren system from WWII (that was replaced a couple decades ago with new electric sirens that play a lovely recording of the old mechanical sirens lol): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT0iKdqTyx4&t=49s
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ethanol posted:Counterpoint I’m 99% sure my neighbor is armed in his tractor daily Did he pay for the bulletproof cab package? That's extra, but the dealer will probably throw in a hat.
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https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status/1498168564272013312 The  part of me wonders if this was all of the RF's lovely friends buying their dips for control; or the fear of such.
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DOOMocrat posted:https://twitter.com/MarketRebels/status/1498168564272013312 I uh bwah how I mean.
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KitConstantine posted:Did he pay for the bulletproof cab package? That's extra, but the dealer will probably throw in a hat. If it’s bulletproof then how would he shoot through it
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