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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:how does this affect the russian on the street? Better have a lot of friends so you have a good hookup for the black market currency exchange system.
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PerilPastry posted:I was driving at the point ravenkult said. Apologies if it caused confusion. It truly wasn't my intention. No problem, I see what you meant now.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:how does this affect the russian on the street? Rise of the black market exchange, was pretty common in the soviet block in the olden days.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:how does this affect the russian on the street? They'll be spending more time on the street
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:how does this affect the russian on the street? You mean the Russian on main street, at the pump?
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the popes toes posted:No Fry Zone New thread title please
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steinrokkan posted:It makes them even more serfs of the state It's basically a macro scale version of those Ford factory towns where everyone was paid in their made up currency which could only be spend there, so they could arbitrarily raise the prices since the worker drones had no alternative way to spend their earnings.
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mmkay posted:Rise of the black market exchange, was pretty common in the soviet block in the olden days. Ironically it's how lots of the modern kleptocrats made their seed fortune in the first place. So everything is coming full circle and they are now on the other side of their old hustle.
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Fame Douglas posted:You mean the Russian on main street, at the pump?
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Alchenar posted:Someone on this forum is doing a weird charity donation-matching thing where instead of giving money to war refugees they're donating it to Jeffery. Yeah I don't really understand the thinking, but clearly there's people that get their rocks off doing it. Hopefully my avatar / tag get reversed or erased sooner than later. 
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BigRed0427 posted:So what is the basis for tankies saying the Ukraine military is filled with Nazis? The propaganda outlets they were reading were telling them that and they're too dumb and disconnected from reality to know better or contrast it with the other event happening to compare the relative gravity of the issue Such as a country launching an invasion based on fascist irredentism and using the z as a swastika with the orthodox pope blessing the war because it stops LGBT pride parades etc
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:how does this affect the russian on the street? Want to buy anything of import? Get in touch with the local black market. This is going to be like my dad’s childhood, taking a horse to a forest at 3am to pick up some jeans from Poland.
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BigRed0427 posted:So what is the basis for tankies saying the Ukraine military is filled with Nazis? Ukraine isn't run by Nazis, but there do seem to be enough Nazi-affiliated guys in or around the Ukrainian military that friendly media puff pieces and even NATO's twitter account have a weird habit of accidentally posting people with weird Nazi patches when they're trying to praise the Ukrainian military.
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It's a good thing Nazi-free and decidedly not fascist Russia is bombarding Ukrainian civilians, then.
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Basically after 50 years of pretty brutal occupation a lot of Eastern European nations looked to the moment before that occupation began for symbols and leaders of national identity and independence, unfortunately that moment was 1944.
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Fame Douglas posted:You mean the Russian on main street, at the pump? Yeah, Joe Vodka, a potato-and-beet man, what's his take on the situation?
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Fame Douglas posted:It's a good thing Nazi-free and decidely not fascist Russia is bombarding Ukrainian civilians, then. That's whataboutism, the question was about Ukraine.
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I had dinner with an Armenian friend today. Her dad is, apparently, a long-distance truck driver and he had just delivered a load of Armenian products to Kharkiv on the 21st of February and left on the 22nd... which makes him pretty drat lucky. However, and relevant to this thread, he has been stuck in a like 30 km long line of lorries near Vladikavkaz (North Ossetia) for more than a week, with no real progress there. So, it looks like the Kyiv convoy isn't the only 30 km traffic jam. At least her dad doesn't have to worry about partisans and military shooting RPGs at him though. She did not know why traffic is stuck, and I couldn't figure out if e.g. Georgia has greatly reduced their border flow with Russia. She also said most people in Armenia are just repeating the Russian talking points ("getting rid of fascists"), even though Armenians by and large don't like Russia anymore, particularly after the Nagorno-Karabakh war a year and half ago where the Russians did about as much as UN peacekeepers in Srebrenica. She is also worried that Armenia is hosed if Ukraine wins the war and recovers everything except Crimea, and also hosed if Russia wins the war and partitions Ukraine. Saladman fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Want to buy anything of import? Get in touch with the local black market. This is going to be like my dad’s childhood, taking a horse to a forest at 3am to pick up some jeans from Poland. did the horse at least get a pair of jeans too
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Fame Douglas posted:It's a good thing Nazi-free and decidely not fascist Russia is bombarding Ukrainian civilians, then. Nazi-free Russia who not at all has direct ties including funding to neo-nazi groups as per the confusing-and-contradictory-on-purpose political strategy of Putin's right hand man.
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Fame Douglas posted:It's a good thing Nazi-free and decidedly not fascist Russia is bombarding Ukrainian civilians, then. They aren't. All they did was to send in some diplomats and suddenly Ukraine kept shelling their own country. This senseless violence has to stop.
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Sinteres posted:That's whataboutism, the question was about Ukraine. Huh? My response was about Ukraine, just following your thinking. Russia taking it on themselves to become the villain of the world to free Ukraine from the yoke of the Nazis, what heroes!
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Russian stock market set to remain closed on Wednesday. At this point, all Russian ETFs on the US market have been halted and the options are slated to be settled in cash.
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Fame Douglas posted:Huh? My response was about Ukraine, just following your thinking. Russia taking it on themselves to become the villain of the world to free Ukraine from the yoke of the Nazis, what heroes! I didn't say anything about Russia, so no you're not following my thinking.
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The Russian invasion of Ukraine has unironically done more to damage the international far right than anything else in decades.
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The_Franz posted:Russian stock market set to remain closed on Wednesday. At this point, all Russian ETFs on the US market have been halted and the options are slated to be settled in cash. Question for anyone in the know: is this literally preventing all trading in companies registered on the stock market or is it possible for people (oligarchs) to conduct over-the-counter or private trades to get around this?
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Morrow posted:The Russian invasion of Ukraine has unironically done more to damage the international far right than anything else in decades. Let's wait and see if they're swept to power in various countries as a result of high energy and grain prices before we go jumping to any conclusions about that.
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Sinteres posted:I didn't say anything about Russia, so no you're not following my thinking. Huh? You were writing about the Ukrainian military being full of Nazis, I was applauding the unilateral action to do something about it. Seems you're aware you're just vomiting dishonest propaganda into the thread if this is your response, though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I'm really looking forward to seeing video soon of Ukrainian farmers pulling ex-Polish MiGs across the border with their tractors. It'd be the kind of comedy that would make this timeline half-way bearable to think about.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:did the horse at least get a pair of jeans too The horse would need at least 2 pairs of jeans Ngl tho, that specific example of market dysfunction is p cool
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Failed Imagineer posted:The horse would need at least 2 pairs of jeans no its front legs are its arms and i'm not going to debate this again.
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Sinteres posted:That's whataboutism, the question was about Ukraine. Interesting coincidence it's always about Ukraine and only about Ukraine, never about rational uber-führer Putin's or big daddy Kadyrov's anti-homonazi warriors fighting for the future of white women and children 
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The_Franz posted:Russian stock market set to remain closed on Wednesday. At this point, all Russian ETFs on the US market have been halted and the options are slated to be settled in cash. It's kind of weird that they are only announcing the closure of the next day. It will be open any day now. Alchenar posted:Question for anyone in the know: is this literally preventing all trading in companies registered on the stock market or is it possible for people (oligarchs) to conduct over-the-counter or private trades to get around this? I'd figure if one company gives another the physical deeds with a corresponding sales contract, that's still a valid transaction. At least I haven't heard that all transactions have to go through an exchange.
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Morrow posted:The Russian invasion of Ukraine has unironically done more to damage the international far right than anything else in decades. Based on what exactly? A few twitter posts identifying the groups in both countries?
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BigRed0427 posted:So what is the basis for tankies saying the Ukraine military is filled with Nazis? There is a small number of Neo Nazi soldiers in the Ukrainian military. There's also a small number of Nazis in most western countries militaries as well including Canada, US, and England. Putin used this as an excuse to invade Ukraine including sending a whole batallion of russian Nazi mercanaries (Wagner group) to kill the Jewish leader of Ukraine who was elected by 75% of the Ukrainian population. Fortunately the actual Russian Nazi mercanaries got blown up almost immediately when they were air dropped onto an airfield with no support on the first day of the war. Now people continue to bring it up because they are Russian shills "just asking questions" or posting straight up Russian propaganda. None of this matters because the number of Ukrainian Nazis is insignificant in a country of 44 million people and they are also fighting against a fascist invasion by Russia so they have more pressing matters to attend to. Everyone in this thread knows Nazis are wrong.
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Sinteres posted:Let's wait and see if they're swept to power in various countries as a result of high energy and grain prices before we go jumping to any conclusions about that. There's direct evidence that Russia has been promoting and funding far right and the alt right and has for over a decade now, and one of their main pmcs literally is a neo Nazi with close ties to Putin. Your desire to make it seem like Ukraine is nothing but hidden nazis that Russia has the right to invade is disgusting
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Sinteres posted:That's whataboutism, the question was about Ukraine. When you are supposed to be the de nazifying force the numbers of nazis on your side is not a whataboutism
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Starks posted:Based on what exactly? A few twitter posts identifying the groups in both countries? Based on isolating global far right from their Russian patron.
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steinrokkan posted:Interesting coincidence it's always about Ukraine and only about Ukraine, never about rational uber-führer Putin's or big daddy Kadyrov's anti-homonazi warriors fighting for the future of white women and children Ukraine is the only party to the conflict my country is arming, so I think who's getting those weapons, and who's getting repeatedly pictured in propaganda puff pieces, is an interesting question worth answering without any need to discuss Russia's own problems with bigotry, which are real. If you'd like to explore the latter issue, by all means do so, but doing so only to deflect from the former issue is still whataboutism. Despera posted:When you are supposed to be the de nazifying force the numbers of nazis on your side is not a whataboutism I'm not Russian and I don't support Russia, I was just answering a question about Ukraine.
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