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CommieGIR posted:Worth noting Warhammer actually called out fascist roleplayers associating with the game, and mentioned that part of the game was to highlight the absurdity of fascism. Everyone j have met who plays this game or follows the theme of it is a frothing fascist. While I'm sure there are non fash, the representation of the fash elements is dominant. I inherently see this as a representation of what they believe to be peak fash future.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Everyone j have met who plays this game or follows the theme of it is a frothing fascist. While I'm sure there are non fash, the representation of the fash elements is dominant. I imagine it's this more or less 
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the popes toes posted:Holy mackeral Hasan Piker was going off yesterday on stream on how 'mysterious' it is that suddenly Poland and other european nations have all this magically manifesting room for refugees that aren't Syrians or other regions with predominantly nonwhite people, after pooh-poohing for years that they simply had no room.
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MikeC posted:One can also not discount the fact that Putin not the 50 year old man that succeeded Yeltsin. He is an old man, especially by Russian standards. The desire to leave a lasting legacy in the history books is almost assuredly a factor that explains the timing. Well, this is his legacy now. Whatever comes after, he'll be remembered as the man who turned Russia from a soft power into an actual laughingstock.
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Huh, I just read through an excerpt of Zelensky's speech and this bit stuck out to me:quote:We need new alliances and we offer them. We propose to create an association, united for peace, a union of responsible countries to stop conflict immediately, provide all the necessary assistance in 24 hours, weapons if necessary, sanctions if necessary, humanitarian support, finances, everything you need to keep the peace and quickly to save the world, to save life. Such associations would provide assistance to those who are experiencing natural disasters, who fell victim to humanitarian crisis or epidemics. Remember how difficult it was for the world to do the simplest things just to get a vaccine against COVID to save lives, to prevent new strains. The world spent months, years doing things like that much faster to make sure there are no victims. Ladies and gentlemen, if such an alliance would exist today we would be able to save thousands of lives in our country, in many countries around the world, those who need peace, those who suffer inhumane destruction... This is probably so much hot air and wishful thinking, but it sounds like he's proposing a union of presumably broadly democratic countries with fast-tracked structures in place to slam down sanctions and assistance in the breakout of any war against, presumably, anyone, as well as general humanitarian aid in the event of global disasters. That seems...interesting. I don't know much about international law or governance - does any of this seem theoretically possible, if we leave aside whether the internal politics of potential member nations (read: the US) would agree to it? How would that work?
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mobby_6kl posted:I imagine it's this more or less It's basically the same problem that Judge Dredd has always suffered from with its fans, which is maybe not accidental given the extent to which 40k ripped off Judge Dredd (among other things)
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Interesting https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1504098809386868749?t=yQ3cPbNvyy5eif_z88Qr_Q&s=19 In that there was a conversation, that we know about it, and that the Russian party to it was named. Edit: three things, not two Edit2: official white house statement https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1504099718539927552?t=SnG-A9uQJt5OK02N6rPyKw&s=19 KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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MikeC posted:I would tell you to listen to what he has been saying for the past 10 years over and over again but that would rub against thread rules. Putin's "legacy" will be that he completely obliterated any chance Russia had of rising from the collapse of the Soviet Union and earning them permanant vassalage status to China. He is responsible for death and displacement of millions, the torture and executions of thousands, and the destruction of the future of Russia, both those fighting in theis pointless war and dying, and those rounded up for protesting against him. He burned it all down, like the petulant paranoid man-baby that he is. His tomb should be a public urinal in St. Petersburg
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mobby_6kl posted:I imagine it's this more or less  Tigey posted:Just to be clear - that's not what an NGO is - they are generally voluntary groups/bodies that are independent of governments (mostly, although some do get funding from govts). Most NGOs are like charities, clubs, associations, etc, and can be at local, national or international scale. Apologies, this is correct. I’m phoneposting and mixed up the terms in English Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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nimby posted:If they don't announce the shipments, Putin could interpret his planes/missiles getting downed by more advanced anti-air as direct western interference. We also need to remind ourselves that Russia has spy satellites too. It's hard to know what their exact capabilities are, but shipments of AA trucks/missles/installations will show up. They're gonna have a vague idea of large things like these whether we tell them or not.
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Jettisoning the Azov batallion poo poo seems like such an easy win for both sides at the negotiation table. Putin gets to claim his denazification, and Ukraine gets to get rid of a thorn in their side (albeit with possibly some local grumbles as noted earlier).Trump posted:Think it's more like it's because whenever a Russian plane takes off it's lit up like a xmas show from across the Polish border, the last week including a Patriot battery, by AWACS and ground radar.
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Zephro posted:It was more "fascism bad" than "war bad" in the early days. Then they discovered that the fanbase had an infinite appetite for grimdark and didn't really care as much about the satire so they cranked the grimdark up to 11 and now dumbasses think it's an inspiring tale. Judge Dredd, Punisher, Warhammer40k, etc. People love to overlook the message or underlying message in favor of "Oooo, that looks cool/sounds cool"
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You have to love the irony of this war starting as an existential crisis for Ukraine, but through sheer incompetence and hubris, has turned into an existential crisis for Russia.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Everyone j have met who plays this game or follows the theme of it is a frothing fascist. While I'm sure there are non fash, the representation of the fash elements is dominant. That's a problem with wargaming in general, sadly. It seems to attract a lot of freaks who want to re-litigate 'WW2 but hilter won.' Most of the people I know who play WH40K are definitely not fascist and include some straight up antifa types. But the brand does have problems with fascists in their fandom.
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nimby posted:If they don't announce the shipments, Putin could interpret his planes/missiles getting downed by more advanced anti-air as direct western interference. If you say nothing then the first time one of these shoots down a Sukhoi the Russians get to go public with the evidence and accuse the West of reckless escalation etc. Saying you're doing it denies them that possibility.
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Spacedad posted:Hasan Piker was going off yesterday on stream on how 'mysterious' it is that suddenly Poland and other european nations have all this magically manifesting room for refugees that aren't Syrians or other regions with predominantly nonwhite people, after pooh-poohing for years that they simply had no room. Someone posted a good Tweet thread about Poland's divergent attitudes towards refugees. I'm having a hard time finding it now. There was also a piece in the NY Times about this as well. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1503484629948547082 I see good in people being pretty welcoming for Ukrainian refugees, but it is hard not to get depressed over the disparity in treatment.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Someone posted a good Tweet thread about Poland's divergent attitudes towards refugees. I'm having a hard time finding it now. Yeah, and its important to highlight the racial disparities, because it is disgusting how Muslims and Black migrants/refugees get treated.
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CommieGIR posted:Judge Dredd, Punisher, Warhammer40k, etc. People love to overlook the message or underlying message in favor of "Oooo, that looks cool/sounds cool" See also, much of the fandom around every Vietnam war movie, most notably Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, and its important to highlight the racial disparities, because it is disgusting how Muslims and Black migrants/refugees get treated. I'm looking forward to the story where Spain or some other western European country doesn't let in too many Ukrainians for fear of the perfidious Slav. When Europeans do racisms, they go old-school. The UK is a special case where the government position is basically that refugees aren't a real thing, no matter where they're from.
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Zephro posted:Which is ultimately why British TV used to have a show where Tony Robinson, best-known as Baldric from Blackadder, would use a lightly-modified Total War engine to refight the Battle of Marathon and pretend it was educational. We had this in America, too! It used to be on the History Channel before they pivoted to ancient aliens.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Isn't it a game about fascism made by nominally antifascist people? Or at least, that's what it was originally Yeah, the original GW founders were essentially a bunch of misfits (nerd gamer version of The Young Ones) who weren't welcome in the various wargaming clubs, as they A) often didn't have a military background, B) wanted to play weird non-historical games, C) had long hair. There has always been a small subset of fascists and tankies as part of the tablegame gaming scene, but my anecdotal experience is that they are no more common than in other hobbies. I've seen far more extremism among football fans and amateur clubs than in tabletop gaming. But there are ofc always examples of tabletop gaming shops and clubs were a fascist crowd have come to dominate. As others have mentioned, GW (and other companies) are actively trying to do something about this. There are companies out there actively glorifying some pretty bad stuff - having known a lot of people working at Games Workshop HQ, I can honestly say they are absolutely not a fascist crowd. On the contrary. The average GW employee is probably politically somewhere in leftist segment of Labor.
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Putin also had a speech today! It...wasn't as moving, it seems. I haven't found a full video but this thread has a summary and clips https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1504096026801721345?t=3dimvGfe_fKYAMVQX9xvdA&s=19 Big mean Ukraine was gonna beat up lil guy Russia with Nukes and bioweapons and this is all the west's fault, etc. Nothing new, but the contrast is stark Edit: Found a thread of just quotes and uhhhhh https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1504101024046452736?t=vU01pJQKSp_kuw806ExMUw&s=19 UHHHHHH YIKES
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Zero_Grade posted:The S-300 is older but no slouch, and I believe Ukraine has the modernizations of the system, but yeah the advantage Western ELINT provides is incalculable. I know this is never gonna happen, but I want to post this head canon: a very big gently caress-You to Putin would be Turkey giving Ukraine their S-400 system (I guess if Ukraine has crews for the S-300, the transition should not take too long) and getting a modern NATO air defense system in return. Kill 2 flies with one swat. Turkey is rid of the S-400 that drove a wedge between them and NATO. And Ukraine now has a very modern air defense system.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Everyone j have met who plays this game or follows the theme of it is a frothing fascist. While I'm sure there are non fash, the representation of the fash elements is dominant. Some of us just think Orks are funny. 
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KitConstantine posted:Putin also had a speech today! It...wasn't as moving, it seems. Uhhhhh that last sentence is extremely concerning for a number of reasons.
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TulliusCicero posted:Putin's "legacy" will be that he completely obliterated any chance Russia had of rising from the collapse of the Soviet Union and earning them permanant vassalage status to China. They never had a chance to rise and wont for the foreseeable future. Even without exonomc mismanagement the demographic pressures and the collapse of the old Soviet territory which used to add tens of millions of people to the books assured them of that. Putin's legacy will the failure to age Russia gracefully out of the Great Power stage like the UK did and instead of retaining credibility as a regional power, instead turns it into a pariah state for another generation.
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I'm pretty certain the only non-fash WH40K players are the ones who just think it's fun to shout "MORE DAKKA".
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Uhhhhh that last sentence is extremely concerning for a number of reasons. I wonder how accurate that translation is and if it has the same connotations in Russia. I guess telling everyone who wants to leave that they should leave is better than closing your borders and preventing people? Putin is still trying to dig his way out of the well it seems.
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KitConstantine posted:Putin also had a speech today! It...wasn't as moving, it seems. That's... terrifying.
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Eric Cantonese posted:That's... terrifying. I mean, he wanted to purge Ukrainians, why not purge people at home too?
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Chalks posted:I wonder how accurate that translation and if it has the same connotations in Russia. This is a good point. A lot of translations do miss the nuance. While it's not comparable in terms of situations, people who speak Korean had a very different experience listening to Parasite in its original language than those who only read the subtitles. I read that sentence as "Kill anyone who's not a nationalist or 'patriot'", which is extremely concerning.
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Deltasquid posted:Human rights NGO. Most important aspect is citizens of member states can claim compensation for human rights violations by appealing to the European Court of Human Rights. Inter-governmental organisation, not non-governmental organisation.
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KitConstantine posted:
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Chalks posted:I wonder how accurate that translation is and if it has the same connotations in Russia. I'd do the needful if I could stand listening to this rear end in a top hat for even a minute, ugh
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Eric Cantonese posted:Someone posted a good Tweet thread about Poland's divergent attitudes towards refugees. I'm having a hard time finding it now. When some Ukranians refugees were shown using their iphones to desperately contact any aid/evac orgs or loved ones in a video news segment, Hasan also mentioned how Syrians were demonized for 'using and not using iphones' by western media. The press would say 'the Syrians cannot be helped because they are backwards people who don't even have iphones.' When it was shown that Syrians did in fact have iphones (a lot of iphones in fact) the press without missing a beat said 'look at these Syrian refugees with luxurious iphones, they clearly don't need our help.' That's the nature of racism in a nutshell. There's no winning with racists.
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KitConstantine posted:Putin also had a speech today! It...wasn't as moving, it seems. Putin posted:...natural self-purification of society will only strengthen our country. Yikes indeed
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KitConstantine posted:You know what really shows the world that your country is both winning and not mad? Making babies hold up signs celebrating war crimes drat that's hosed. Any other Americans remember being forced in school to write letters to our boys in Iraq? My younger brother, 3rd grade in 2003, took class photos with everyone holding an American flag to send with the letters. My sister's dance recital that year had a big "Grand Ol Flag" number at the end, the only 2 male dancers marched out on stage in camo and all the girls stopped to salute them lmao. Nationalism is a hell of a thing.
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barbecue at the folks posted:I'm pretty certain the only non-fash WH40K players are the ones who just think it's fun to shout "MORE DAKKA". 
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The reporter I originally posted put up a video of what is supposed to be just that section and provided a translation. It's a minute 20 if anyone wants to try to stomach it, but this puts the remarks in context somewhat https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1504104821632163842?t=iJ3e3zvFffdTOg9NCcR1MQ&s=19  ...they don't seem better in context
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