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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Kvlt! posted:

It does suck for sure but black metal is the only subgenre I actively check. Other metal genres are innocent until proven guilty, black metals the other way lol

It’s the only way. Really just euro black metal though. Are there any really prominent current American nsbm bands? All the American black metal bands I’m familiar with are either weird forest people or brooklynite nerds and poo poo. Obviously early in there was like grand belial’s key and those losers but I don’t see it much now. Maybe I’m out of touch

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Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Anytime someone brings up NSBM I just think of the scene from Veep with Jonah and Richard.

Lol

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
That show also featured a bunch of Capitol staffers going to a Magrudergrind show (which itself was just a redo of a scene in In the Loop where they see Cannabis Corpse).

Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

There's a lot of fascists and fascist sympathizers on the BM scene, but almost every openly NSBM band I can think of is mediocre as gently caress.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Even old Varg didn't put any NS in his actual BM, in the before times anyway (haven't bothered with his post-prison poo poo). Back then nobody would have known he was a nazi if he hadn't gone around telling everyone he was a nazi.

deadking
Apr 13, 2006

Hello? Charlemagne?!
The term (NSBM) is used really broadly these days to mean "black metal made by bigots." The actual NSBM scene is pretty insular and not very big. The few fests or shows they do (in Europe and the US at least) are usually done in secret and don't seem to happen very frequently. The only openly NS fest I can think of was Asgardsrei in Ukraine and I don't think that's happening anymore lol. This might seem pedantic but I think a bit of precision is necessary when people start talking about relatively popular and ostensibly apolitical bands like Watain being NS or NS adjacent.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Its kinda similar to how most people call fascists/racists Nazis when theyre not actually national socialists, just fascists/racists.

Both scum, but two different types.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
it's awesome when people "WELL ACTUALLY" about whether or not people are actually nazis or just huge assholes with lovely politics

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


fascists, nazis, racists, chuds, reactionaries, conservatives, pig fuckers…

yeah none really deserve the benefit or grace of nuance imo

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
"i'm sorry bro, it's not technical brutal death gore grind, it's grindy brutal technical gore death" but for nazis

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



e: youre a mod, its not an argument ima win or thats worth having.

But yes I personally identify the bad guys as they are instead of lumping them all into one evil boogeyman. I dont think theres anything wrong with that. Im not saying any are less bad. They're all scum. But to not acknowledge there are different types of threats to people is ignorant.

Again, Im not saying any are less bad.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
cool

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Im gonna post instead of play that game with you lol

Eric Wagner (of Trouble fame) completed a solo album shortly before he passed away, it's not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FKyXezbSNE

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Groke posted:

Even old Varg didn't put any NS in his actual BM, in the before times anyway (haven't bothered with his post-prison poo poo). Back then nobody would have known he was a nazi if he hadn't gone around telling everyone he was a nazi.

Don’t forget his ‘while imprisoned’ output, which was loving terrible.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



EL BROMANCE posted:

Don’t forget his ‘while imprisoned’ output, which was loving terrible.

he made music in prison? how?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Kvlt! posted:

he made music in prison? how?

Think how many American rappers have made music in prison and then compare the Norwegian carceral system to ours.

Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Wow, did anybody post this yet? This rips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1LVpAMeHQ

0 rows returned
Apr 9, 2007

Kvlt! posted:

he made music in prison? how?

iirc he was allowed to use a cheap midi keyboard for like a week

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

https://youtu.be/xZJIH8-ghQw

this is sick, hail ken

Kvlt! posted:

e: youre a mod, its not an argument ima win or thats worth having.

But yes I personally identify the bad guys as they are instead of lumping them all into one evil boogeyman. I dont think theres anything wrong with that. Im not saying any are less bad. They're all scum. But to not acknowledge there are different types of threats to people is ignorant.

Again, Im not saying any are less bad.

deadking posted:

The term (NSBM) is used really broadly these days to mean "black metal made by bigots." The actual NSBM scene is pretty insular and not very big. The few fests or shows they do (in Europe and the US at least) are usually done in secret and don't seem to happen very frequently. The only openly NS fest I can think of was Asgardsrei in Ukraine and I don't think that's happening anymore lol. This might seem pedantic but I think a bit of precision is necessary when people start talking about relatively popular and ostensibly apolitical bands like Watain being NS or NS adjacent.

:yeah:

Kilometers Davis fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Mar 23, 2022

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Kvlt! posted:

Its kinda similar to how most people call fascists/racists Nazis when theyre not actually national socialists, just fascists/racists.

Both scum, but two different types.

Yeah well like if their main problem with Hitler is some of his domestic economy policies, they can eat poo poo anyway.

Mr. Pickles
Mar 19, 2014



Groke posted:

Yeah well like if their main problem with Hitler is some of his domestic economy policies, they can eat poo poo anyway.

derper, DSO released their new album 4 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFtcyt0NzI

holy motherfuck it has clear vocals in it

Also on topic: Batushka announced and I'm not sure whether to buy ticket or not. Is he / are they nazis? Thanks

Mr. Pickles fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Mar 23, 2022

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



0 rows returned posted:

iirc he was allowed to use a cheap midi keyboard for like a week

Excuse me sir, what parts of this dare you say sound “cheap”

https://youtu.be/snM1zaUrZFA

Unless you mean the notes and music, then yes it sounds like it was done on a $10 Casio.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

That albums owns tbh

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Nehru the Damaja posted:

Wow, did anybody post this yet? This rips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1LVpAMeHQ

I am surprised there isn't more Indigenous black metal - an untapped resource of anger. This is really drat good.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Mr. Pickles posted:

derper, DSO released their new album 4 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFtcyt0NzI

holy motherfuck it has clear vocals in it

Also on topic: Batushka announced and I'm not sure whether to buy ticket or not. Is he / are they nazis? Thanks

I just assume every Polish black metal band is unless proven otherwise. But also which version of Batushka?

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Wow, did anybody post this yet? This rips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1LVpAMeHQ

god drat this loving whips rear end

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?
A lot of the Crepusculo Negro stuff has/had indigenous flavor

https://youtu.be/d1i2uWCAE8k

https://youtu.be/qxa-8WK4CNI

https://youtu.be/Nwoi9L3kiS4

https://youtu.be/pg85rnNX02M
^bonus for Zapatista-ism (Zapatisteria?)

skasion fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Mar 23, 2022

McFlurry Fan #1
Dec 31, 2005

He can't kill me. I'm indestructible. Everybody knows that

Mr. Pickles posted:

derper, DSO released their new album 4 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFtcyt0NzI

holy motherfuck it has clear vocals in it

Also on topic: Batushka announced and I'm not sure whether to buy ticket or not. Is he / are they nazis? Thanks

The new Deathspell is probably their worst album from what I've heard so far.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I quit listening to Iced Earth because the music got lovely. Then Jon did the Jan 6th and it just retroactively confirmed my headcanon.

Burnt Offerings still slaps though.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


KozmoNaut posted:

I don't think so.

There's a lot of great BM out there that's non-political or outright leftist with a compelling sound, some of it made by indigenous people.

https://blackbraid.bandcamp.com/album/barefoot-ghost-dance-on-blood-soaked-soil

https://sahhar.bandcamp.com/album/ti-rif-tal-nus

And of course Wayfarer was already mentioned, Untamed Land is another band in the wild west-influenced theme. Waldgeflüster and Windfarer are good if you're into the more melodic and atmospheric sound. Wolfhand, Thermohaline, Spectral Wound, Mare Cognitum, that's just off the top of my head what I've been listening to lately.

I don't think anything of any particular value is lost by boycotting NSBM. No riff is that good.

Dispossessed aren't an exclusively black metal band but they do wreck

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


skasion posted:

A lot of the Crepusculo Negro stuff has/had indigenous flavor

https://youtu.be/d1i2uWCAE8k

https://youtu.be/qxa-8WK4CNI

https://youtu.be/Nwoi9L3kiS4

https://youtu.be/pg85rnNX02M
^bonus for Zapatista-ism (Zapatisteria?)

Zapatismo

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Wow, did anybody post this yet? This rips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1LVpAMeHQ

This is sick thanks for posting it

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I posted the Bandcamp link a little while back, glad that so many people are enjoying it, it's drat good :)

PolishPandaBear
Apr 10, 2009
Saw The Ocean last night after 7 years of waiting for them to come from Europe and they were awesome.

The vocalist, Loic, performed from a wheelchair because he fractured both legs trying to crowd surf at a previous show. :black101:

Omnikin
May 29, 2007

Press 'E' for Medic

PolishPandaBear posted:

Saw The Ocean last night after 7 years of waiting for them to come from Europe and they were awesome.

The vocalist, Loic, performed from a wheelchair because he fractured both legs trying to crowd surf at a previous show. :black101:

I really wish that tour flipped bands. The drive was a little too far for me to justify for Leprous/The Ocean vs the reverse

e- and having seen Leprous & been a little underwhelmed by the live performance vs album previously, that didn't help

Omnikin fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Mar 24, 2022

PolishPandaBear
Apr 10, 2009

Omnikin posted:

I really wish that tour flipped bands. The drive was a little too far for me to justify for Leprous/The Ocean vs the reverse

e- and having seen Leprous & been a little underwhelmed by the live performance vs album previously, that didn't help

Funny you say that. This is my second time going to a Leprous show for the opener, first time was Haken.

I can't they they were bad live, everything sounded good, but I'm also not the biggest fan of their music.

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
i thought leprous live was friggin great, saw them & bent knee open for haken a few years ago and they all killed it

this is not really metal but if you're a fan of leprous, the new CNFA is right up that alley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAbLalcmN8o

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Wow, did anybody post this yet? This rips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1LVpAMeHQ

They put up a new song this month which I like even more. Definitely eager for the full album. Wild that it's a solo project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnU9kaZCCU

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup
Kanonenfieber has a new EP out, which is pretty great, but also just released this new single:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqPm1QeESvI

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Cynicus
May 1, 2008


owling furies.

oh man some pretty good albums dropping today.

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