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KitConstantine posted:Wait east? Pushing back Russians east is new, isn't it? We've heard a bunch about stuff to the west but not the east as much This is, of course, exactly Russia’s intent because as we know from Putin’s repeated statements, everything that’s happening in Ukraine is exactly as the Russian military planned it.
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Djarum posted:The US only has 18 SSBNs. Of which only about 6-8 are out at a time. You don't need a ton of SSBNs. There are 34 SSNs which you want a lot more of for both fleet defense and attacking enemy vessels. France actually has the biggest Exclusive Economic Zone in the world, slightly bigger than the US   In fact, thanks to its overseas territories, France is the country that covers the most timezones (12) 
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Drone_Fragger posted:Looks like a catastrophic ammo explosion. Russian tanks are fairly notorious for using autoloaders that requires the ammo be stored much less securely than NATO vehicles but let's them fire like 30% faster and not need a gunner. But means a good hit will cause the entire thing to explode. couple things on that- it actually makes the tanks fire slower than a human loader, (russian autoloaders use two piece ammunitions, we use single piece ammo with cases that burn up during firing, only the endcap remains and just gets plopped out of the breech as I recall, and the ergonomics of loading out of the ammo bin into the breach for the Abrams is fairly well layed out and practiced) BUT, it allows the tanks to be much smaller and lighter as you only need 2 in the turret rather than 3 (Commander/Gunner, vs Commander/Gunner/Loader), and neither need to be standing. But yes, the open carousel storage is very very vulnerable to uh... high energy events. In western tanks like the Abrams, typically all the ammo is stored in a bustle on the back of the turret, with an armored door that slides open to provide access, and blowout panels on top of the ammo storage compartment, so that if something DOES ignite the ammunition, it booms upwards, and not into the crew compartment. Tank will still be pretty hosed up tho, but the crew should be ... well OK may not be the best word but "will continue breathing". Doccers fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Jesus Christ, Europe. I work in chemicals and I'm seeing this. Natural gas can be used to produce propylene or ethylene both of which are a building block for all kinds of chemicals. The European chemical industry makes extensive use of it in solvents and other products. US domestic chemical companies like DOW, Eastman, Lyondell etc are all basically working at capacity and demand is far outstripping what they can produce. European imports definitely factor into this framework. No one is safe. A lot of these markets are global and taking European production off the table causes massive price shockwave and also leads to opportunistic exporting by US producers who can get better netbacks in Europe than in North America which then tightens supply everywhere else. EDIT: We are already experiencing unprecedented logistics, energy and chemical prices due to the pandemic and now it's going to get worse. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:Wait east? Pushing back Russians east is new, isn't it? We've heard a bunch about stuff to the west but not the east as much There's been fighting on both ends. The advance in the East is always the one that looked the most tenuous so I wouldn't be surprised if this were actually a deliberate withdrawl (with some prodding). Although with the Ukanians capturing EWAR stuff they really have no right getting within 50km of on the ground I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out these counter-attacks are catching Russian formations with no fuel available to go anywhere. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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The caller said 50% of their unit got frostbite, not the entire russian army. It was a personal call and there was probably some exaggeration. If your platoon has 30 guys and 8 of them has some tissue damage on their ears or fingers that's already 25% of them. It shouldn't be that hard to understand this but I guess this is a rocket science level stuff for a small group of people on the internet. Also you can always google temperature records, but this is also apparently a difficult task. Flagellum fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Morrow posted:Who could have guessed that creating a massive global integrated supply chain where a critical dependency was one or more autocratic petrostates would eventually cause serious issues? This whole war and the goddamn pandemic should have taught us that outsorcing and spreading out the supply chain on four continents is neither eco friendly or safe just from a supply side.
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Alchenar posted:And just to loop back to what started it off: France has put 3/4 of its subs to sea.
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Flagellum posted:The caller said 50% of their unit got frostbite, not the entire russian army. It was a personal call and there was probably some exaggeration. If your platoon has 30 guys and 8 of them has some tissue damage on their ears or fingers that's already 25% of them. It shouldn't be thst hard to understand this but I guess this is a rocket science level stuff for a small group of people on the internet. Ya this is the "Ukraine and Russia begin peace talks" when the story is, "two ministers met in Belarus, exchanged some papers."
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:This whole war and the goddamn pandemic should have taught us that outsorcing and spreading out the supply chain on four continents is neither eco friendly or safe just from a supply side. This is what happens when you make MBA's a prerequisite for management decisions instead of promoting management and executives from within the ranks of the company's functional units. We have a shareholder culture that does not care about the operational needs of a company and just wants to see the number go up no matter what, so we built a fragile global logistics system that doesn't work anymore. By the way, nobody at the C-Suite level thinks we should go back to having big warehouses and inventory stockpiles. We're still trying to keep inventories razor thin and selling everything we produce within a 2-3 month period and if you don't you get nagged about working capital. Nothing has changed. Nobody is actually doing anything about the supply chain problems. They're continuing to try and operate as if it's 2019 only they're raising prices and enduring stock-outs in the process. We should be firing everyone who runs big companies and replacing them with people who have actual experience and knowledge about what a business really needs to operate effectively. Because the bean counters are not prepared or fit for purpose in a world where absolute profits and small inventory are not the only consideration anymore.
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Nessus posted:Perhaps they mean 10 degrees Celsius, which would be more like what, 50 degrees in Freedom? And granted that it may be pleasant enough during the day; it is much less so in the dark, especially when you have no heat or good tenting. In Hungary last night we had -9.7C and +19.8C during the day, at the same location. That's basically a t-shirt weather during the day, and hypothermia during the night. If northern Ukraine is having similar things going on these days, that's rather unpleasant.
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Uhhhh how did CNN get this readout? This seems unusual - again, correct me if I'm wrong https://twitter.com/jeremyherb/status/1506728802054983683?s=20&t=zJG0a4vUZAOV8DyEfegeXg Article: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/politics/us-russia-general-meeting/index.html quote:A rare face-to-face meeting between Russian and US military officials last week led to an "outburst" of emotion from a normally stoic Russian general, a "revealing moment" that the Americans present believe hinted at larger morale problems in Russia's military, according to a closely held US military readout of what transpired. The whole thing is worth a read as a behind-the-scenes peek at some high-stakes poo poo
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:In Hungary last night we had -9.7C and +19.8C during the day, at the same location. That's basically a t-shirt weather during the day, and hypothermia during the night. If northern Ukraine is having similar things going on these days, that's rather unpleasant. And assuming the Russian troops are well equipped (lol), they are wearing steeltoes and basic socks. If you do not remove your boots/socks often in the field, its easy to get some nasty stuff on your feet. And steeltoes/composite toe shoes tend to keep your toes colder than normal in cold weather.
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Kraftwerk posted:This is what happens when you make MBA's a prerequisite for management decisions instead of promoting management and executives from within the ranks of the company's functional units. You are 1000% correct. You have a bunch of Chicago School jackasses running everything only worried about the next quarter because that is all they know how to do. They have never had to work through a real crisis or worse a massive world before COVID and they all are delusional thinking it won't happen again. Everyone company that is smart at the very least should be moving their critical supply chains out of Asia in general and try their best to minimize international shipping in general. These things are only going to get worse, not better.
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IIRC the UK also technically has that, but it's only used for the most illegal parts of internet.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes, that's what I said. Naturally we're ambiguous if they actually have nuclear warheads for their Tomahawks. All Navy Tomahawks have conventional warheads. Somebody in the Trump administration was pushing to restore nuclear capability to the Tomahawk, but I'm not sure how far that went. Nobody in the Navy wants that, an attack sub carrying nukes will require additional training and safeguards for handling the weapons, and the crews are already busy enough with their regular missions.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya this is the "Ukraine and Russia begin peace talks" when the story is, "two ministers met in Belarus, exchanged some papers." Yeah, if you speak to a soldier and they say "it's bloody freezing out here, half our squad's getting frostbite" they probably don't literally mean half.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:This whole war and the goddamn pandemic should have taught us that outsorcing and spreading out the supply chain on four continents is neither eco friendly or safe just from a supply side. but changing this will make number go down
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ZombieLenin posted:No, for sure. It’s just some of the Russian apologists on Twitter keep saying, “no way you can get frostbite when it was 10 degrees all day in Ukraine yesterday!” depending on how "frostbite" is translated, they could be talking about trench foot, which is just as likely for troops living outside in the cold and damp with hosed up supplies and no real opportunity to take care of their feet. trench foot can quickly gently caress up groups of people living in exposed conditions who don't or aren't able to practice proper self care. you can easily get trench foot even if the temps remain above freezing most of the time, just cold enough and wet enough over long enough will do the job warning: pictures of hosed up feet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_foot
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On Poland being stupid: So the saving grace is that their bluster is for domestic consumption and they certainly aren't gonna go in alone, preferring to fortify themselves and prevent any bullshit.
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ZombieLenin posted:This is, of course, exactly Russia’s intent because as we know from Putin’s repeated statements, everything that’s happening in Ukraine is exactly as the Russian military planned it. Yep the Emperor totally planned for 2 Death Stars to get blown up and have himself chucked down a space well to his death I really, really want these Ukrainian counter-offensives to keep rolling Russia back. They will continue to lose cities in the south, but if Putin can't touch Kyiv then he will never be able to maintain any hold over the south, Ukraine will take it all back eventually if they maintain a northern counter-offensive.
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Djarum posted:You are 1000% correct. You have a bunch of Chicago School jackasses running everything only worried about the next quarter because that is all they know how to do. They have never had to work through a real crisis or worse a massive world before COVID and they all are delusional thinking it won't happen again. There is only one domestic producer of TBAC in all of America and they're fully sold out for the entire year. All of North America's TBAC supply comes from Chinese producers where the Chinese government was subsidizing it for years.. To give you an idea of the price difference, it's like 0.50/lb USD more to get it domestically compared to China in some cases. Even if you tried to invest in more domestic capacity, everyone thinks by the time it comes online, the logistics and supply crisis will end and China will go back to undercutting your profits in such a way where all your investment was for naught. So now the only place you can get products like TBAC are China... nowhere else... And its a key ingredient in a lot of materials including stuff used in construction and concrete. China has so many non-sexy but strategic chemical materials that they have us by the balls. Also should note that isotanks and containers for stuff like this frequently get unloaded from the ship that was going to ferry it over to the west coast on a whim because someone showed up with cash and paid off the shipping company to ship something lighter, less hazardous and more valuiable than your stuff.. So none of it is arriving on time and is often months delayed... then it hits the ports where it's stuck and you as a company often get forced by the Chinese to assume responsibility for any extra detention costs for their container or isotank. These costs can sometimes get as high as 20,000 USD. on top of 20,000 USD freight. But people will insist, and you can't stop bringing it in.... I've gained more grey hairs and had so much stress doing my job the last 2 years and current events have made it much worse. I'm living and breathing the supply chain crisis on a daily basis. These Chicago school jackasses give zero shits about our national security, about having certain products be subsidized and produced here rather than letting China run the show.... and its loving things up really badly with zero political or economic will to do anything about it. Everyone's just burying their heads in the sand and hoping this will all go away so they can go back to exploiting cheap rear end material from China again.
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KitConstantine posted:Uhhhh how did CNN get this readout? This seems unusual - again, correct me if I'm wrong Huh. Wonder what made them think he "stopped just short of accusing US and Ukraine of atrocities against his family"? It doesn't seem like the most straightforward read of the situation, but I suppose they were there.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Huh. Wonder what made them think he "stopped just short of accusing US and Ukraine of atrocities against his family"? It doesn't seem like the most straightforward read of the situation, but I suppose they were there. Maybe he felt the invasion would have been a bloodless cakewalk if it wasn't for the US and NATO supplying Ukraine with weapons and passing sanctions. (I'm sure it's easier to live with yourself when you twist causation chains that way.)
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Bubbacub posted:All Navy Tomahawks have conventional warheads. Somebody in the Trump administration was pushing to restore nuclear capability to the Tomahawk, but I'm not sure how far that went. Nobody in the Navy wants that, an attack sub carrying nukes will require additional training and safeguards for handling the weapons, and the crews are already busy enough with their regular missions. Yeah, iirc George H.W. Bush pulled the Tomahawks and a bunch of non strategic nukes in 1991. Although I saw a Wikipedia saying they weren’t retired till 2008-2010. Perhaps they were just in storage vs dismantled.
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Orthanc6 posted:Yep the Emperor totally planned for 2 Death Stars to get blown up and have himself chucked down a space well to his death Well you see Russia planned to be pushed out Kyiv multiple times in 4 weeks and take one city in the South. How dare you doubt Vova's genius? People need to stop assuming you have to be super smart to be able to run a country or be a dictator. You don't at all. Look at Trump. You just have to be charismatic enough to the right segment of people and manipulate your way upwards, and have the will to do heinous poo poo and flunkies who will carry it out. Putin's not some brilliant mastermind puppeteering a perfect police state: he's an egomanical doofus who killed all his competition and is paranoid as hell, surrounded by Yes-men. He got the right people into positions of power, and he may be good at espionage and information warfare, but he's utterly out of his depth on military matters and we are all just seeing it now.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Yeah, iirc George H.W. Bush pulled the Tomahawks and a bunch of non strategic nukes in 1991. Although I saw a Wikipedia saying they weren’t retired till 2008-2010. Perhaps they were just in storage vs dismantled. The issue with most nuclear warheads is the tritium gas which had to refilled and checked every few years, and is critical for a 'boosted' device like most nuclear weapons have. Most of the other stuff inside is good for at least a few decades.
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Grouchio posted:On Poland being stupid: So the saving grace is that their bluster is for domestic consumption and they certainly aren't gonna go in alone, preferring to fortify themselves and prevent any bullshit. There's a bunch of theories going around. It often looks like central government doesn't give a gently caress about Ukraine, and is just forced to act because of massive popular demand, and to back up their earlier loud claims. It is certainly true that vast majority of help for refugees comes from local government and volunteers.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Yeah, iirc George H.W. Bush pulled the Tomahawks and a bunch of non strategic nukes in 1991. Although I saw a Wikipedia saying they weren’t retired till 2008-2010. Perhaps they were just in storage vs dismantled. The naval nuclear Tomahawks were decommissioned in 2010-2013. The ones scrapped at the end of the cold war to comply with the INF treaty were the ground launched nuclear Tomahawks, which were mounted and fired four at a time from a big ol' truck launcher. The INF treaty only applied to land based missiles not air or sea launched ones.
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Kraftwerk posted:There is only one domestic producer of TBAC in all of America and they're fully sold out for the entire year. All of North America's TBAC supply comes from Chinese producers where the Chinese government was subsidizing it for years.. You are singing to the choir my friend. There are some industries are the divesting of China after learning lessons from COVID but not enough. There are going to be a LOT of business that will have a bad time in the near future. There are some political talk about it too but there are enough yet to make any headway. Supply chains aren't going to get any better so at a certain point you are hopefully going to see people make hard choices. Really we need to go back to Keynesian economics in general but that is moving far into another subject that we are already veering off.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:The naval nuclear Tomahawks were decommissioned in 2010-2013. The ones scrapped at the end of the cold war to comply with the INF treaty were the ground launched nuclear Tomahawks, which were mounted and fired four at a time from a big ol' truck launcher. See I’m finding conflicting info. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/pniglance#:~:text=27%2C%201991%2C%20Bush%20announced%20a,of%20the%20same%20weapons%3B%20and The GLCMs are clearly INF, but he also did some sea based stuff. quote:U.S. Presidential Nuclear Initiatives: This probably explains the confusion, I took with Straub to mean dismantling, when it’s clear reading over it they must’ve just been placed in the storage and serviced until that time around 2010, which would jive with commies comments.
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For what it's worth, the vast, vast majority of industrial gas is used in combined heating and power, not as a chemical ingredient. And residential usage is a fairly minor component as well, constituting perhaps 15% of overall consumption. The IEA has a 10-point plan for reducing European Union gas imports by more than 50 billion cu meters / 155 billion cu m (over a third reduction) within a year by finding alternative gas sources and accelerating existing investment in renewables and efficiency. That plan would jump to 80 billion cu m if fuel switching (mostly to coal or oil) is considered. And this is all while filling European gas storage to the brim, and not inflicting any particular economic pain. So even without considering any "third-rail" options like reopening Groningen gas field, re-activating European nuclear plants, rationing gas usage, or redirecting LNG exports, there's ample opportunity for significantly decreasing European need for Russian fossil fuels. https://www.iea.org/news/how-europe-can-cut-natural-gas-imports-from-russia-significantly-within-a-year https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-could-replace-half-its-imported-russian-gas-this-year-industry-group-2022-03-18/ Kaal fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Djarum posted:You are singing to the choir my friend. There are some industries are the divesting of China after learning lessons from COVID but not enough. There are going to be a LOT of business that will have a bad time in the near future. There are some political talk about it too but there are enough yet to make any headway. Supply chains aren't going to get any better so at a certain point you are hopefully going to see people make hard choices. So what you are saying is that Russia is going to be strengthened by getting rid of trade with the world?
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Electric Wrigglies posted:So what you are saying is that Russia is going to be strengthened by getting rid of trade with the world? This is somewhat different from national autarky. It would still make sense to ship around raw materials and finished parts in many cases, just perhaps not so casually that you end up with a four-continent production chain for essentials of life.
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FishBulbia posted:of all the loving WWII bombings of civilian cities to chose from... Not all of us are WWII history nerds. Could we get an explainer?
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Antigravitas posted:I mean it quite literally. The EU cannot selectively block access to websites. It's simply not technology that exists, and there's no legal framework for it. I mean, maybe we're just talking about different things? What I see on RT.com is:  I would call that "that website is selectively blocked". Maybe in IT there is some super technical term, but I, and I think most people, would consider that to a a "blocked website". When I go to the IP address of rt.com, http://195.218.24.170/ I get exactly the same message. It's also not an ISP thing; I get the same message right now when connected with my laptop (no idea who the ISP is) and with my phone – and I just switched my phone to try all 3 providers within range, all exactly the same message - it's clearly national here. I'm on a Swiss SIM and roaming here in Luxembourg right now too. True it's not "the EU" it's "an EU country" but when every single EU country is doing it + Switzerland, Liechtenstein, UK, etc, then it might as well be "the EU". It is also not trivial to get around. For instance, rt.com is also blocked on https://www.proxysite.com/. Maybe there is some other proxy that can be used, but I'd have to dick around with it for more time than I care to to access some lovely Russian propaganda. Saladman fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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KillHour posted:Not all of us are WWII history nerds. Could we get an explainer? They're comparing the shelling of Kharkhiv to the firebombing of Hamburg during WW2. While this was a war crime, using a Nazi ruled city as an example of why Ukraine needs help is bad optics when Russia's war goals are explicitly stated as "denazification".
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