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The Ukrainian ambassador to Denmark asked that we please do not start integrating refugees, and in fact, should not really consider them refugees, but rather 'displace people'. The Danish municipal authorities in some cases sent Ukrainian children to Danish language classes the same week as they arrived, and some Ukrainians apparently think that's taking a rather pessimistic approach to the situation. More sensible municipalities are focusing on making sure children have access not just to education, but also start having a social life again and interacting with children - and making the wellbeing a priority over the 'welcome to Denmark, we expect you to become part of society from day 1 for your sake and ours'. It's a bit of a sensitive topic really how the refugees are to be considered in relation to integration and assimilation policies. I can understand some Ukrainians being disturbed by efforts to assimilate them the moment they cross the border. Employers (public and private sector both) are openly salivating in the press at the additional labor coming into the country.
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headspace posted:"Everything outside of the Donbas was just a feint". Edit: I don't how announcing all this helps them at all. Things are clearly going very poorly for them. Lmao. So the botched assault which saw them just leave 300 paratroopers stranded was just part of the plan. So yeah, as expected, pull back from the West while taking out Eastern Ukraine in bite size pieces. Explains the stop in forward momentum on the western bank and the pullback all along the main road out from Sumy and Konotep. The "pocket" will probably be evacuated too in the coming week. So yeah, I guess someone actually got through to Putin on the what reality is.
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KitConstantine posted:The claim I've seen is 7 generals and 20 total officers, so like generals + colonels + ??? Other levels of officer The thing is we're still seeing quotes like this running around: Youth Decay posted:They've lost 6 or 7 out of 20ish generals in Ukraine at this point, they're having to pull in troops from the easternmost portion of the country and attempted to do so in Syria and Belarus. I THINK the original source of the 20 generals quote that I can recall is a Twitter thread claiming that "There's only 20 major generals in Russia, so losing so many major generals is absolutely wild!" and after that it seems like the "twenty generals" figure just became this mutating anchoring point even if the definition of the twenty things changes. And like I said, near as I can recall the original claim of twenty major generals total wasn't even true. Not to pick on Youth Decay specifically, it just seems like this is a bit of misinformation that's taken on a life of its own and I think it'd be helpful for someone who actually knows what's going on to remind us what the actual figures are because I think we're at the point where everyone says twenty, so twenty it is.
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Tomn posted:I think I'm starting to dislike this Orban fella. I mean, "we can't risk Hungarian weapons shipments getting bombed"? Right, because we're hearing so many reports about the Polish shipments getting struck, right? It's all just bullshit. The real reason is one of the main campaign points of Orban's government is cheap gas. "Low living costs" is their slogan. If they have to increase gas prices, they lose the election. I honestly start to believe if they win the election they will change their tone, because at that point it wont matter that much anymore. If Orban somehow loses the election, I will be dancing on the streets of Budapest. Watch the news on April 3.
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New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1507398872074756135?s=20&t=e6RtaOalPgd0XHwQxWUHxA I wonder what that brown patch on the right-upper part of the port in the second picture is/was.
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Tomn posted:The thing is we're still seeing quotes like this running around: Ooooh I misread and thought you meant 'total officers killed'. I had an early meeting this morning so my reading comprehension isn't all it could be. The '20 generals' claim appears in this BBC report sourced to 'analysts' - I'm not sure if there's more concrete sourcing than that https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1504901745641771012?s=20&t=WhU97XgW_Brh94A5S160IQ Edit: this Foreign Policy article credits the 20 number to "western intelligence officials" so equally vague https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/21/russia-generals-dead-ukraine/
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KitConstantine posted:New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage There was an absolute shitload of ammo firing off in those videos, I think they hit offloaded munitions that were sitting on the dock.
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headspace posted:"Everything outside of the Donbas was just a feint". Edit: I don't how announcing all this helps them at all. Things are clearly going very poorly for them. "With the Ukranians fully ensnared by the genius of Operation Bloodm, we will be transitioning to the implementation of Operation Victory Wine"
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KitConstantine posted:New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage Judging by the before and after photos it was likely supplies that got destroyed in the strike and fires that followed. It's amazing the fuel tanks didn't explode as well.
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KitConstantine posted:New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage Looks like a cargo pile. Visually I’m guessing scrap metal?
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KitConstantine posted:New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage Is there any solid info on what took it out? Was it a Tochka or something? That's a really great hit but I'm curious why they didn't gently caress up the whole port even more.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:53
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KitConstantine posted:You think the only way this official communicated his opinion was via Twitter and this isn't just echoing his private communications to the person addressed? Saakashvili is currently in prison. I very much doubt he has any channels of communication with Lukashenko now.
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KitConstantine posted:I said former in the post, but yes being in jail would also make it difficult lol. That's why I asked. Thank you! Luca looks like a guy who stars in both low rent porn and Steven Segal movies.
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headspace posted:"Everything outside of the Donbas was just a feint". Edit: I don't how announcing all this helps them at all. Things are clearly going very poorly for them. Can we have a moment for how poo poo the quality of that map is? Guess this is what happens when anyone who can touch a computer has fled the country.
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Djarum posted:Judging by the before and after photos it was likely supplies that got destroyed in the strike and fires that followed. It's amazing the fuel tanks didn't explode as well. It’s a bulk pile, see the concrete block barrier around it.
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https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1507415889385332747?s=21&t=8a2XdRcOZe9rcr6jmxxCow This may be the one and only acceptable use of NFTs, it’s being sold for a charity and only a charity and everyone knows they’re just getting a little thank you sticker for helping out. Same with the Gregg Popovich one. Basically a digital PBS fundraiser reward.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1507415889385332747?s=21&t=8a2XdRcOZe9rcr6jmxxCow no nfts not even once
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Russian map actually seems to be close to reality in that briefing. Expected them to throw more red paint at random areas
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It’s a bulk pile, see the concrete block barrier around it. Yeah, just a trash pile that existed there forever. You can see it up close from the ship perspective, in the pre-port attack video about Orsk that was docked there published by Russian news. The video was posted earlier in the thread, I think it was taken a couple of days prior to the attack on the ship. It's a HUGE pile. EDIT: This video: https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-military-tv-dispatch-showed-010613686.html Scroll to the end of the video Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Djarum posted:The NSM is roughly the same range as the YJ-18 and SSC-5 and is stealthier than either. The AGM-158C has longer range and is fully stealth. Also there is a some differences in between how the USN operates in terms of fleet defense then Russia or China but that isn't really public knowledge for obvious reasons. But they are modernizing their ASM, mainly due to China's push to have a blue water Navy and the likely scenario in a Taiwanese conflict. It is! But those are not slated for actual deployment until around 2024 or 2025 if I recall correctly. There are also so other interim stopgaps the USN has toyed with like repurposing the SM-6 (which was originally designed as a SAM) as an ASM in the meantime. But I have zero doubts that the USN is addressing this problem. The only reason I am even talking about this at all was the up thread chatter about the US potentially giving Harpoons to Ukraine. My comment was only intended to say that if that does happen, while it would definitely be a huge boost to Ukraine’s capacity to tussle with the Russian Black Sea Fleet, it really is not necessarily game changing because of the short range of the Harpoons, and because (on paper at least) the Russian navy ought to be able to counter a small number of Harpoons shot at their ships. It should only cause anxiety for the Russian Navy if NATO gave enough Harpoons to Ukraine that Ukraine could realistically fire 4 or more Harpoons at once at a single target—a better number would be 6 or more.
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KitConstantine posted:New satellite imagery from Maxxar of the exploded ship/port damage The google maps photos were done in mid-2020 and there's no specific building there, just seems like an unloading area: https://earth.google.com/web/@46.75069725,36.77426242,5.23239926a,1090.5535176d,35y,-0h,0t,0r
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Kraftwerk posted:Unless I’m horribly out of date, I thought harpoons were the mainline ASMs used by most of the US navy in concert with Exocet missiles for a lot of European navies and some less developed countries. Pretty sure the Iraqis and Argentinians have been able to score some pretty nasty hits with Exocets in the past. You can always slum it and use a general purpose anti surface missile against a ship. The main difference at the tomohawks power is targeting and that's basically turns it into a money problem. The US military hasn't had a money problem in over 50 years.
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Are there other NATO or western options available to ship to Ukraine. I know we use SAAB RBS 15s here in Sweden, but I really doubt we would be willing, or even capable, to give any of those away. We also have a naval version of the Hellfire, but that seems more like something against smaller craft. Does the French or the UK have anything good?
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Alchenar posted:Can we have a moment for how poo poo the quality of that map is? Guess this is what happens when anyone who can touch a computer has fled the country. 
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mmkay posted:The google maps photos were done in mid-2020 and there's no specific building there, just seems like an unloading area: Looks like a pile of trash.
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DekeThornton posted:Are there other NATO or western options available to ship to Ukraine. I know we use SAAB RBS 15s here in Sweden, but I really doubt we would be willing, or even capable, to give any of those away. We also have a naval version of the Hellfire, but that seems more like something against smaller craft. MBDA has plenty of picks, depending on which stockpiles you want to use. Exocet, Aster, Marte, Teseo and so on.
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DekeThornton posted:Are there other NATO or western options available to ship to Ukraine. I know we use SAAB RBS 15s here in Sweden, but I really doubt we would be willing, or even capable, to give any of those away. We also have a naval version of the Hellfire, but that seems more like something against smaller craft. At least with the Hellfire and the RBS 15, you can't use something like that with the Soviet-derived equipment Ukraine mainly uses. That's why a lot of the stuff we're sending over is either standalone portable stuff (like MANPADS) or older equipment from NATO nations that is getting replaced with new US stuff (like the proposed Polish Mig 29s and Slovakian S300 systems). It sounds like we're sending over more ordinance and things like better drones that are easy to learn how to use, but there's a lot of stuff we can't necessarily throw over there because Ukraine can't readapt to use them within a short amount of time.
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Gros Tarla posted:Your kinda underselling it. They did not merely kill one of their own commanders. They squashed it with a tank. Both of you are vastly overselling it. Without further evidence we just don't know how it happened. Tanks and APC's are helluva dangerous vehicles for other traffic because they're not designed with road safety first in mind, and I bet the attitudes of Russian generals' personal drivers is not safety oriented either. It's more likely that this was a traffic accident a la George Patton rather than a plot to murder their commander. I guess we'll soon have the dash cam recording. e: beaten like a Russian tank brigade commander Nenonen fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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mobby_6kl posted:Is there any solid info on what took it out? Was it a Tochka or something? That's a really great hit but I'm curious why they didn't gently caress up the whole port even more. It’s either Tochka or air-dropped something. Tochka would be by far the simplest and cheapest way to go about this. Alchenar posted:Can we have a moment for how poo poo the quality of that map is? Guess this is what happens when anyone who can touch a computer has fled the country. To be honest, it seems perfectly functional. Also shows much smaller gains than half of Russian propaganda “OSINT” maps that I have seen. Charlotte Hornets posted:Russian map actually seems to be close to reality in that briefing. Expected them to throw more red paint at random areas If the storytelling is pivoting to “Donbas has always been the objective”, then it makes sense to see what we see.
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headspace posted:"Everything outside of the Donbas was just a feint". Edit: I don't how announcing all this helps them at all. Things are clearly going very poorly for them. And in a couple of weeks when they get kicked out from Donbas the official line will be "Everything outside of Russia was a feint".
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ZombieLenin posted:It is! But those are not slated for actual deployment until around 2024 or 2025 if I recall correctly. There are also so other interim stopgaps the USN has toyed with like repurposing the SM-6 (which was originally designed as a SAM) as an ASM in the meantime. Well if they are phasing out older Harpoons the range for most targets wouldn’t be an issue. I believe that a large amount of the US and UK inventory has been upgraded to the long range variant which should give them enough range to reach out and touch most viable targets that would be of any value to Russia. Any Harpoon launch would be multiple missiles going at anything larger than a patrol boat or transport, which you won’t likely waste a missile on anyway since less expensive/important arms can take them out just as easily. If Ukraine acquires Harpoons that would likely be the end of the Russian Navy in theater as well as supply by sea. Either they would take enough lumps and lose that capability for good or they would smartly move out of range of them to avoid losing any irreplaceable material.
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Morrow posted:A breakdown of the Russian military means the disintegration of security across much of Eurasia. It's a major food exporter and the major economic presence in Central Asia. The next few years will make us wish for the calm and stability of 2020-21. Without Russian CSTO defense there is nothing stopping Azerbaijan from trying to deal with Armenia in a uhh conclusive way, with Turkish support of course.
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Morrow posted:A breakdown of the Russian military means the disintegration of security across much of Eurasia. It's a major food exporter and the major economic presence in Central Asia. The next few years will make us wish for the calm and stability of 2020-21. If the past few years taught me anything, we should be always be enjoying the current year because somehow the next will inevitably get worse.
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headspace posted:"Everything outside of the Donbas was just a feint". Edit: I don't how announcing all this helps them at all. Things are clearly going very poorly for them. if they had just taken this tack from the beginning and concentrated all of their planning and military strength on these limited objectives then i think there's a good chance they would have quickly achieved those objectives and perhaps avoided the worst of the sanctions i suppose at this point russia's best outcome is to occupy as much of eastern ukraine as they can, exhaust the ukrainian military into a deadlock, and hope at some point western nations get tired of the sanctions and armament regimes i wonder if ukrainian advances in the wake of coming russian redeployments will make further western support more or less likely
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Nenonen posted:Both of you are vastly overselling it. Without further evidence we just don't know how it happened. Tanks and APC's are helluva dangerous vehicles for other traffic because they're not designed with road safety first in mind, and I bet the attitudes of Russian generals' personal drivers is not safety oriented either. It's more likely that this was a traffic accident a la George Patton rather than a plot to murder their commander. FishMcCool posted:If the past few years taught me anything, we should be always be enjoying the current year because somehow the next will inevitably get worse. Djarum posted:Well if they are phasing out older Harpoons the range for most targets wouldn’t be an issue. I believe that a large amount of the US and UK inventory has been upgraded to the long range variant which should give them enough range to reach out and touch most viable targets that would be of any value to Russia. BTW what happened to the railguns? Did that get killed off? This is a good opportunity to do some field testing. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Nenonen posted:Tanks and APC's are helluva dangerous vehicles for other traffic because they're not designed with road safety first in mind
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