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MassiveSky posted:I for one implore the EU to treat Kaliningrad with all the reverence a forward nuclear launch facility targeting Europe deserves. EU response  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:https://twitter.com/AzovMolozensky/status/1542448423101640705?s=20&t=sbIFs8ZH4PKRVMfSWgVdMA Even better, every scene in that gif other than the dolphin in the end clearly refers to an actual event that happened, with photographic evidence. And it doesn't even have all of it. In a way, I fear this might be good for Russia. Because a lot of the reason they are not doing as well as you could expect is that they keep doing stupid poo poo. Attempting to occupy Snake Island was really stupid. Them giving up on it can signal that they have started to stop doing really stupid poo poo. The alternative explanation would be that they are starting to run out of resources to do things. I don't think this should happen quite yet, but if it is happening, that would be very good.
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Tuna-Fish posted:In a way, I fear this might be good for Russia. may we continue to have such fears then
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Jun 30, 2022 19:56
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Popete posted:I'm just wondering how the war in Russia is still so popular? I guess popular isn't the right word, maybe tolerated? I know decades of "evil NATO" and state run media but there just doesn't seem to be any other way to spin this than a botched invasion for territorial gains by Russia that has now turned into Soviet-Afghan 2.0 but with more significant economic repercussions at home. The people actually fighting are young men from rural areas or ethnic minorities. Most Russians have as much involvement as your US citizen did with Afghanistan, and the sanctions are easy to blame on "Mean west wants to ruin Russia" rather than a just response to your countries own actions.
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Popete posted:I'm just wondering how the war in Russia is still so popular? I guess popular isn't the right word, maybe tolerated? I know decades of "evil NATO" and state run media but there just doesn't seem to be any other way to spin this than a botched invasion for territorial gains by Russia that has now turned into Soviet-Afghan 2.0 but with more significant economic repercussions at home. Lots of reasons. There's more or less no free media (unless you specifically go looking for it), there's practically no right to protest, there's a lot of pressure for people to not engage with politics at all, there's no real political alternative, there's pressure to support are troops, there has been non-stop propaganda for over eight years, there's siege mentality. Five months isn't that long really, Americans stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years only to leave out of boredom more than anything else. Some of the support is probably motivated by chauvinism, but I get the feeling the regime doesn't necessarily want to play up nationalism too much, I think complacency plays a bigger role. I think the average Russian isn't personally affected in a major way, and the easiest way to deal with it is to just passively support are troops and not think too much about it. I'm not sure there's a lot of active support for the war, either. If the average person actually had to make major personal sacrifices to keep the war going, things might look different, but even then I'm not sure much would be done, there's no real alternative.
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Putin is the personification of the fragile male ego. The Russian envoy to the UN SC meeting taking time out to rant about the Ghost of Kyiv and mockery of Russian soldiers looting washing machines has the same energy.
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Jun 30, 2022 20:03
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C0N5T1P4T3D posted:Well, sanctions tend to increase patriotic fervor in affected populations. There's a long history of this with America's sanctions on Latin American countries. I think this could be the case in Russia. This report by the Polish Institute for International Affairs from 2015 is obviously a little dated now but what you said reminds me of this paragraph from the summary https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/187505/Sanctions%20and%20Russia.pdf quote:Most Russians have not fully felt the effect of sanctions yet and are not afraid of international isolation (66%). More than that, Russian citizens largely support counter-measures against states that have applied sanctions against Russia (78%). However, the food embargo Russia enacted in response, cou- pled with Western restrictions, is likely to amplify and speed up the negative impact on ordinary citizens, which might drastically amend society’s outlook in the not so distant future. The Russian state will strive to enhance its control of society, further cultivating patriotic consensus and constraining even more fundamental civil liberties. Nevertheless, economic slowdown and intensifica- tion of repressive practices could encourage more young and skilled Russians to leave the country. Limitation of freedoms of Russian bureaucracy may also generate an exodus of professionals from public service and instead attract less professional but patriotically loyal public servants. Therefore, despite their restrictions towards the Russian establishment, the EU and U.S. should develop different programmes (scholarships, fellowships, workshops, etc.) focusing on Russian students and young professionals. There’s more in there. Would appreciate any updated reports with this level of detail.
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Jun 30, 2022 20:04
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Kavros posted:may we continue to have such fears then I mean, personally I'd prefer if Russia stopped doing the things that are effective and kept doing the things that piss away military capability for no useful purpose, but that's just me...
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There is no free media left in Russia. Even Novaya Gazeta has moved its printing to Latvia. Anyone spreading forbidden information will be jailed. The general population is completely reliant on the government for information. So it's completely unsurprising that they don't oppose the war because they are told that Russia is actually under an attack from Nazis with biological weapons and what not. Imagine if you lived in USA around 2003 and all you heard from media was Saddam is a terrorist supporter and has weapons of mass destruction. You would be insane to oppose a police action to stop that madman and bring freedom and peace to Iraq!
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C0N5T1P4T3D posted:Well, sanctions tend to increase patriotic fervor in affected populations. There's a long history of this with America's sanctions on Latin American countries. Yes, These sanctions help the Ukrainians because they gum up Russia's industrial complex, slowing and weakening the war machine. However, the sanctions aren't going to do anything in terms of regime change. The sanctions are just going to lead to the population to feel victimized, and strong-man regimes like Putin's thrive on a populace that feels victimized by external forces.
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I think it's even possible that they were not completely oblivious to the risk of effective sanctions, but correctly figured effective propaganda could actually turn those into a boost domestically. Self-preservation is anyway the number one priority of autocratic regimes.
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Chill Monster posted:These sanctions help the Ukrainians because they gum up Russia's industrial complex, slowing and weakening the war machine. However, the sanctions aren't going to do anything in terms of regime change. The sanctions are just going to lead to the population to feel victimized, and strong-man regimes like Putin's thrive on a populace that feels victimized by external forces. Yeah sanctions leading to regime change doesn't fit observed reality so I don't think anyone had reason to expect that. In the short term it may slow down resupplies for the war and in the long term it will complicate modernization. This leads me to a tangentially related rant. Yeah sanctions may foster siege mentality. Russia sanctioned Ukraine in 2013. After they tried to murder a presidential candidate, frauded up elections and overtly threatened war. Russia could hardly have done more to bolster and fire up the Ukrainian pro-EU side. It perfectly set the stage for Euromaidan in 2013 and put Yanokovich in an incredibly difficult position.
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Owling Howl posted:Yeah sanctions leading to regime change doesn't fit observed reality so I don't think anyone had reason to expect that. In the short term it may slow down resupplies for the war and in the long term it will complicate modernization. Sanctions will not cause regime change by itself. Stop them from producing poo poo, making weapons, paying them to confortably fund war. It is a moral obligation.
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пизда! пизда!  for crazy poo poo I got no idea what's actually occuringhttps://twitter.com/max_shcherbyna/status/1542480227246526464
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the popes toes posted:пизда! пизда! That's a CGI video.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That's a CGI video. Is there a context?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That's a CGI video. Wait, you mean the Ukrainian army isn't actually running a Lada with autocannon? that said   
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the popes toes posted:Is there a context? Yes, someone owns a computer.
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the popes toes posted:Maybe, just maybe, they ran out of soldiers willing to occupy Snake Island. "I know you have been inconvenienced, and I am prepared to compensate you. Shall we say...1 million American dollars? Very well then, 2 million."
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FishBulbia posted:Wait, you mean the Ukrainian army isn't actually running a Lada with autocannon? Nice. Is there one with a go-kart and an SMG?
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Tuna-Fish posted:Even better, every scene in that gif other than the dolphin in the end clearly refers to an actual event that happened, with photographic evidence. This would be a concern if there was a limited number of incredibly stupid things to be done, and eventually Russia will run out of those and stumble into a not stupid activity. I personally have every faith in the Russian military capabilities here.
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I know there's been a lot of conversation about how to define a tank, but that right there is an absolute loving tank. No clue what the vehicle behind him is though.
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the popes toes posted:Is there a context? I wouldn't read too deeply into the very obviously fake video
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Slugworth posted:I know there's been a lot of conversation about how to define a tank, but that right there is an absolute loving tank. No clue what the vehicle behind him is though. might be a general, hard to say Charliegrs posted:I wouldn't read too deeply into the very obviously fake video lookit this guy who doesn't believe that the ghost of kiev is now driving a jacked up combat lada
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Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.   
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the popes toes posted:пизда! пизда! I like the photo of Bandera on the window.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I like the photo of Bandera on the window. its not exactly productive trolling FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/07/1/7355716/ Has some photos. Thankfully I don't think it fully collapsed or it would be way worse.
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Lithuania not backing down https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1542581959553171458?t=ABTaqjz2AouizrpR9O9lmQ&s=19
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Rockker posted:Lithuania not backing down Good. The Baltics need to be the spearhead against Russia via sanctions and blockades. Let the EU member state Russia enjoyers show their true master when they try to convince them otherwise
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Good. The Baltics need to be the spearhead against Russia via sanctions and blockades. Let the EU member state Russia enjoyers show their true master when they try to convince them otherwise Tallinn, Riga, Vilnius, Warsaw, Kyiv; the backbone of Europe.
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They're blockading alcohol?? poo poo's getting real for Kalinigrad
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Rockker posted:Lithuania not backing down I'm going to need a meatier article with some actual citation for this rather than a disembodied tweet. Lithuania *are* inclined to be hardliners and their PM has said the restrictions on other goods are supposed to come online by July 10 https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-engli...ons-from-moscow But sources familiar with the negotiations between Lithuania and the European Commission are expecting a compromise deal by then, with the Lithuanian foreign ministry stressing that any clarification/guidance not zero in on Lithuania specifically: "As Kaliningrad transit is possible through various EU member states, the European Commission's explanation of how to implement the EU sanctions ... cannot be limited to Lithuania." https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-kaliningrad-row-eu-nears-compromise-deal-defuse-standoff-with-russia-2022-06-29/ A German TV channel confirms Reuters' reporting on this btw. Autotranslated: "Despite the Lithuanian government's reservations, insiders expressed confidence that a compromise will be reached by July 10 at the latest. "We are in close coordination with the European Commission, which is expected to announce the guidelines for the treatment of these goods in transit in a few days," confirmed Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda. He did not want to speculate about the possible result." https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Kaliningrad-Transit-wohl-bald-wieder-frei-article23432363.html Now Lithuania is a sovereign country and can obviously do what they like above and beyond EU sanctions but it would leave them politically exposed and isolated when there's clearly no wider EU support for a Kaliningrad sideshow. PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Ikasuhito posted:Have this version.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Even better, every scene in that gif other than the dolphin in the end clearly refers to an actual event that happened, with photographic evidence. Obviously it'd be better if they just kept throwing resources at the island but even the dumbest motherfuckers would have to realize by now it's futile with the current anti-ship and artillery capabilities.
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Russia has openly started sending grain it stole from Ukraine to 'friendly countries'. Thieving loving bastards.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Russia has openly started sending grain it stole from Ukraine to 'friendly countries'. Thieving loving bastards. I mean... How many invaders in history have politely shipped back goods and wealth to the uninvaded portion of their victim? I'm not sure how there could have been any other expectations than them selling that grain for themselves.
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Lukashenko to the participants of the Forum of Regions of Belarus and Russia today: 'All Post-Soviet countries today should be sincerely invested in close cooperation with the Union State [of Russia and Belarus]. Provided they want to preserve their sovereignty and independence, of course. We are convinced now that only together can we face global challenges. The still hesitant should understand that without uniting and strengthening our international and interpersonal bonds as soon as possible, we may simply cease to exist'.
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