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Kalli posted:Not knowing anything about players, go back a page and check the mock... oh 4th overall. the human life expense is also pretty bad!
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SKULL.GIF posted:Who was that lineman who was suspected of murder a few years back? He got cleared but I think he ended up not being drafted Cowboys dude from LSU.
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kidcoelacanth posted:the human life expense is also pretty bad! Street racing has consequences?!?
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Mar 1, 2023 16:31
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jalen carter to the bears in the second round
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SKULL.GIF posted:Who was that lineman who was suspected of murder a few years back? He got cleared but I think he ended up not being drafted La'el Collins. He was never a suspect but he had previously dated her and the news came about that the police wanted to talk to him right before the draft.
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Mar 1, 2023 16:36
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This is much less enjoyable than the Bong Tape
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Docjowles posted:This is much less enjoyable than the Bong Tape The bong tape was the high point of draft scandals. We won't ever reach that combination of petty hilarity and solid player
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Mar 1, 2023 16:40
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I was at bar trivia while the 2016 draft was going on, the TVs were muted and we couldn't use out phones so we had no idea what the hell was going on. Just watching the picks roll in and every five minutes a picture of a dude in a gas mask bong. We thought NFL Network got hacked. Plus I was a Lions fan hoping he would fall to #16 and one of my teammates was a Dolfan. Classic bar-trivia-draft moment, second only to me literally falling out of my chair after the Eric Ebron pick in 2014.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Who was that lineman who was suspected of murder a few years back? He got cleared but I think he ended up not being drafted Josh Brent maybe if we're talking cars and doing dumb things with them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Brent e: oh that was way after the draft, didn't finish reading the post. Yeah you're thinking of someone else.
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wandler20 posted:Top 5 maybe, top 10 for sure: I've been wanting him at #7 for the Raiders for months.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:25
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Man, gently caress that guy. He was probably drunk while racing too.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:36
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It'd be a real shame if Jalen Carter fell to pick #13.
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Mar 1, 2023 17:37
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He’s just Ray Lewis 2.0
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Kalli posted:Not knowing anything about players, go back a page and check the mock... oh 4th overall. I dunno that it'd be a whoopsie. I believe the cynical term would be extreme upside benefit for some team because of him falling. Like if you want to completely remove any sort of human sympathy and emotion, and just make a cold calculated Football decision. Extremely doubt it'd be a long term problem drafting him. He's like the first or second best prospect in the draft lol. You'd just have to be willing to completely eat the PR hit, bank on him just being a stupid 21 year old who was driving recklessly and someone who he was racing with in another car was drunk(maybe him too) and died. At least with the current information, maybe more comes out but yeah. Like He wouldn't be the first sports player to drive recklessly, and potentially drunk, and he won't be the last, plenty of them are in the league now, and they just got buried by various police departments because "no harm no foul", or they got community service. Shout out to Lance Briggs lol. This is sadly more than likely just going to end up being section in an athletic/ESPN piece in 2 years about how he was so immature as a 20/21 year old, and how he has grown up and matured(and become a great Defensive Tackle which is the actual main thrust of the piece, please ignore how people died.)
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Dexo posted:I dunno that it'd be a whoopsie. I believe the cynical term would be extreme upside benefit for some team because of him falling. Honestly, I'm not even sure there would be a major PR hit. Especially if nothing points to him being intoxicated while doing it. I know in my 20s, I absolutely hosed around racing friends. We were sober, but it was still reckless and dumb. I think a lot of people will fall on "he was just a dumb kid and something tragic happened because of it" side of things.
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It's less bad than drafting someone like Matt Araiza or willingly signing Greg Hardy, but still not a great look. Also if he does fall down the draft they will definitely just call it "Character Concerns" or "off the field adversity"
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I dunno, i feel like if Laremy Tunsil smoking weed out of a gas mask bong hurt his draft stock, then an incident that got two people killed is probably gonna make more than a few GMs think twice about drafting Jalen Carter.
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Nodoze posted:It's less bad than drafting someone like Matt Araiza or willingly signing Greg Hardy, but still not a great look. Maturity Issues during and before the draft. Off the Field Adversity, is when he's playing well, and as such is "overcoming it" Character concerns and issues don't pop up unless he's playing poorly after being drafted.
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Apples McGrind posted:I dunno, i feel like if Laremy Tunsil smoking weed out of a gas mask bong hurt his draft stock, then an incident that got two people killed is probably gonna make more than a few GMs think twice about drafting Jalen Carter. I was going to come in here and say they're not similar except I just checked and Tunsil was "top of the board" good. I think Tunsil is a lesson to execs that the gamble can pay off. I doubt he falls out of the top 20, honestly even top 10. If the revelations get worse his talent and position will make a playoff team think their Positive Culture can "fix" him
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Apples McGrind posted:I dunno, i feel like if Laremy Tunsil smoking weed out of a gas mask bong hurt his draft stock, than an incident that got two people killed is probably gonna make more than a few GMs think twice about drafting Jalen Carter. that was 7 years ago. And also like literally the day of the draft. Like, if this Jalen Carter story came out like that Tunsil story did literally during the draft, yeah dude would free fall into the teens/20s Teams are gonna have like 2 more months of information, and the "story" is going to die down. He might fall some, but not past ~10 and even that I doubt.
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Less then two years away from Ruggs killing someone and ruining his life, but hey, I'm sure GM's will be thrilled to draft this guy in the top half of the first.
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Dexo posted:that was 7 years ago. And also like literally the day of the draft. i mean i guess it depends how bad the story evolves. Like if this is the extent of it then yeah, you're probably right, but they haven't even arrested him yet. And if he gets booked on more charges, then who know where this goes. I guess we're just kind of in "Wait and See" mode.
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Mar 1, 2023 18:33
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Carter is still going top 5. They're misdemeanor charges
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Kalli posted:Less then two years away from Ruggs killing someone and ruining his life, but hey, I'm sure GM's will be thrilled to draft this guy in the top half of the first. Yep. My guess is it changes if like it's found out that there was a collision of some sort where Carter hit them. But with the information we have now Jalen Carter is only guilty of reckless driving. The Driver of the other car is the one who crashed, and killed those people in that car(as far as the law is concerned), It'd be difficult to try and get Carter on anything other than reckless driving and racing and maybe drunk driving if they can prove he'd been drinking(which since he ran good luck). The people who died were in the other car, with that driver who was driving recklessly. So yeah, after Carter gets his fine, and like community service for the misdemeanor, some GM is definitely going to draft him.
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The more important Georgia prospect's arrest info. https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1630979917666975760
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Was there something reported about alcohol being a factor with Carter or are several people in here just adding what they think may be the case?
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Parallelwoody posted:Was there something reported about alcohol being a factor with Carter or are several people in here just adding what they think may be the case? Mostly the Latter, but not the wildest assumption, considering there was a BAC above the legal limit in the people in the other car. It's not that hard to extrapolate that if everyone was together. Then they started racing, that maybe just maybe Carter was also drinking with them. Since Carter ran, they'd have no hard number, and could only like extrapolate from interviewing people whereever they were leaving from. Right now Carter is just being hit with Reckless Driving pretty much.
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McShay took a lot of heat back in December for calling out potential character concerns. quote:“With Carter, there are some character issues. Does he get along with everybody. What’s he like to deal with in the locker room, those sorts of issues. I know it’s early in the process, but I’m forewarning everybody out there. Carter is going to be a hot-button name when we talk about some of the intangible aspects of it.”
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Parallelwoody posted:Was there something reported about alcohol being a factor with Carter or are several people in here just adding what they think may be the case? The story said the cops didn't see any visible signs that Carter was intoxicated.
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Parallelwoody posted:Was there something reported about alcohol being a factor with Carter or are several people in here just adding what they think may be the case? Dead guy had a .2 well after the crash. If they both left the same place at 2:30 and were racing together then kinda hard to not think Carter was also drunk
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Carter is still going top 5. They're misdemeanor charges Whoa whoa whoa don’t bring reality into this buddy
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Diva Cupcake posted:McShay took a lot of heat back in December for calling out potential character concerns. As he probably should lol, those character concerns were before this event happened, and also specifically related to being a teammate, where like everyone seems to have gotten along pretty well with him by reports. But hey, good on McShay for guessing right lol.
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Dexo posted:As he probably should lol, those character concerns were before this event happened, and also specifically related to being a teammate, where like everyone seems to have gotten along pretty well with him by reports. I've been looking for the original story by McShay and can't find it. Was it really before this incident?
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Sataere posted:I've been looking for the original story by McShay and can't find it. Was it really before this incident? https://247sports.com/Article/Georgia-DL-Jalen-Carter-has-character-issues-that-may-affect-2023-NFL-Draft-stock-Todd-McShay-says-200422872/ This incident happened in the middle of January.
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Dexo posted:https://247sports.com/Article/Georgia-DL-Jalen-Carter-has-character-issues-that-may-affect-2023-NFL-Draft-stock-Todd-McShay-says-200422872/ Just lol at all the people victory lapping on McShay's behalf today.
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Dexo posted:As he probably should lol, those character concerns were before this event happened, and also specifically related to being a teammate, where like everyone seems to have gotten along pretty well with him by reports. I assume someone like McShay isn't outright guessing. He's connected to enough coaches and scouts that someone could have gotten in his ear about Carter.
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