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R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


Gonz posted:

If they won just ONE Lombardi Trophy, I would forfeit my right to complain about them for the rest of my life.

They could go 0 for the next 25 years and I wouldn’t give a poo poo because I would be playing with nothing but house money from then on out.

I said that about the Cubs but it turns out when the team decides to intentionally go into the shitter after winning that elusive championship it is still extremely annoying!

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R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


I'm not worried about the bears because they will never win another Super Bowl. I just want them to have a passing game for one or even two seasons. And for the packers to end up in QB hell.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

R.D. Mangles posted:

I'm not worried about the bears because they will never win another Super Bowl. I just want them to have a passing game for one or even two seasons. And for the packers to end up in QB hell.

from your posts to god's eyes

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

R.D. Mangles posted:

And for the packers to end up in QB hell.

Alhamdulillah

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Rod Hoofhearted posted:

Seriously, we saw what happened when the Cubs won a World Series, do we really want the Lions winning a Super Bowl?

Not worth the risk. :colbert:

The Cubs betrayed their idenity is the problem here.

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

SKULL.GIF posted:

The Cubs betrayed their idenity is the problem here.

The Cubsposting has breached containment! This is not a drill!!!

Which Bears offensive players are most like Matt Mervis? Christopher Morel? Is anyone on the roster offense defense or ST enough of a leader to be Cool Kyle?

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




Forrest on Fire posted:

The Cubsposting has breached containment! This is not a drill!!!

Which Bears offensive players are most like Matt Mervis? Christopher Morel? Is anyone on the roster offense defense or ST enough of a leader to be Cool Kyle?

Who? I quit watching the Cubs when the Ricketts decided they’re going to quit trying to win.

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023

Rod Hoofhearted posted:

Who? I quit watching the Cubs when the Ricketts decided they’re going to quit trying to win.

I went to Wrigley a couple days ago and could name one (1) guy who played on the team. I dunno who this mervis guy is either, maybe they should try to not be bad


The ricketrs started developing Wrigleyville even before the title, right? It's a weird mix now of the lovely old places, the new corporate buildings, and vacant places post COVID

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


Forrest on Fire posted:

The Cubsposting has breached containment! This is not a drill!!!

Which Bears offensive players are most like Matt Mervis? Christopher Morel? Is anyone on the roster offense defense or ST enough of a leader to be Cool Kyle?

I didn't do this, don't blame me for this

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
Broke rear end McCaskeys realized they might not get money and tax breaks from Cook County so they’re pretending they might actually go to Naperville instead

https://twitter.com/kpowell720/status/1664710862362296321

Feels like you don’t really have that much leverage when you play this card after investing $200m to buy the Arlington Heights site, but what do I know

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023

xbilkis posted:

Broke rear end McCaskeys realized they might not get money and tax breaks from Cook County so they’re pretending they might actually go to Naperville instead

https://twitter.com/kpowell720/status/1664710862362296321

Feels like you don’t really have that much leverage when you play this card after investing $200m to buy the Arlington Heights site, but what do I know

What an absolute joke

Watch one of the McCaskeys buy a house and say well we're going to tear it down and rebuild, so really you shouldn't use our purchase price for the tax assessment.
Heck, they could have just waited to buy until right after the reassessment cycle in Arlington Heights and not had this be an issue for several years!

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jun 2, 2023

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Hey Bears, build a stadium out in rockford

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023

Dexo posted:

Hey Bears, build a stadium out in rockford

They could share a parking lot with magic waters! different off seasons, it'd work great

Bears fans wouldn't mind the bit of extra drive; heck, they showed up in Champaign just fine for the '02 season, with the exception of the Tampa bay night game after christmas when Henry Burris threw 3 picks in 3 consecutive series , none of which lasted longer than 2 plays

edit had to check burris stats . he threw a pass for 17 yards, incredible

trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 2, 2023

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023
I'm excited for the Bears to put their new stadium where Naperville has a diverging diamond offramp and have absolutely furious and enraged fans screaming on 670 the score about it while they're driving the wrong way through it

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
I flew from the UK for two Lions games over Thanksgiving in 2013. The Packers were the opponents on Thanksgiving, but they didn't have Rodgers so the Lions shellacked them 40-10. At some point in the fourth quarter when the game was out of hand, a Packers fan in a jersey and hard hat (?) lifted up the sleeve of his jersey, flexed his muscles and kissed a tattoo of the Lombardi trophy which had the Packers wins numbered below it. I found it genuinely hilarious

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023
Maybe Decatur can bring the team back home, it's cheaper there!

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
anyway, this is all just a dumb leverage play. they are gonna get like 10-25% off the taxes or whatever from Arlington Heights and then keep it moving.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



xbilkis posted:

Broke rear end McCaskeys realized they might not get money and tax breaks from Cook County so they’re pretending they might actually go to Naperville instead

https://twitter.com/kpowell720/status/1664710862362296321

Feels like you don’t really have that much leverage when you play this card after investing $200m to buy the Arlington Heights site, but what do I know

They absolutely have leverage. Naperville is wooing them hard. It isn't like the property suddenly becomes worthless if they don't build a stadium on it. They'll build where can get the most profit from. I doubt any real estate developer has ever thought "oh no, prime real estate in Arlington Heights! Whatever will I do with this!?!?"


Dexo posted:

anyway, this is all just a dumb leverage play. they are gonna get like 10-25% off the taxes or whatever from Arlington Heights and then keep it moving.

Also this.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

trevorreznik posted:

They could share a parking lot with magic waters! different off seasons, it'd work great

Bears fans wouldn't mind the bit of extra drive; heck, they showed up in Champaign just fine for the '02 season, with the exception of the Tampa bay night game after christmas when Henry Burris threw 3 picks in 3 consecutive series , none of which lasted longer than 2 plays

edit had to check burris stats . he threw a pass for 17 yards, incredible

They are building that casino complex where the Clock Tower used to be.

There is just all that loving land in that area back where that AMC theater is right off of 90(near where I grew up), that is just doing nothing on the border of Winnebago and Boone county.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

xbilkis posted:

Broke rear end McCaskeys realized they might not get money and tax breaks from Cook County so they’re pretending they might actually go to Naperville instead

https://twitter.com/kpowell720/status/1664710862362296321

Feels like you don’t really have that much leverage when you play this card after investing $200m to buy the Arlington Heights site, but what do I know

:lol: why didn't they use Rosemont like every other dipshit owner in this city begging for handouts? I have a feeling the Naperville NIMBYs are not going to be up for a giant stadium.

Rahm was horrendous, but the one cool thing he did was laugh in the Cubs owner's face when they threatened to move to the burbs.

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023

Dexo posted:

They are building that casino complex where the Clock Tower used to be.

There is just all that loving land in that area back where that AMC theater is right off of 90(near where I grew up), that is just doing nothing on the border of Winnebago and Boone county.

poo poo, they could use the Belvidere auto plant now that it's permanently idled.

Is the casino still not built?

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

trevorreznik posted:

with the exception of the Tampa bay night game after christmas when Henry Burris threw 3 picks in 3 consecutive series , none of which lasted longer than 2 plays

edit had to check burris stats . he threw a pass for 17 yards, incredible

I remember this game vividly because Tampa obliterated them so bad. It was like watching a high school team try to score on Alabama.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Niwrad posted:

Rahm was horrendous, but the one cool thing he did was laugh in the Cubs owner's face when they threatened to move to the burbs.

To be fair, Ricketts made it abundantly clear they weren't ever going to leave Chicago, the Ricketts never actually seriously engage with Rosemont to even feign seriously considering leaving Wrigley, and Rahm and literally everyone knew it.

Ricketts is a mark of a fan, that dude was never leaving Wrigley.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

trevorreznik posted:

poo poo, they could use the Belvidere auto plant now that it's permanently idled.

Is the casino still not built?

Isn't there a ton of lovely land in the south suburbs they can build this stadium? Go build it in Peotone or wherever they were supposed to build that airport no one would have used.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Dexo posted:

To be fair, Ricketts made it abundantly clear they weren't ever going to leave Chicago, the Ricketts never actually seriously engage with Rosemont to even feign seriously considering leaving Wrigley, and Rahm and literally everyone knew it.

Ricketts is a mark of a fan, that dude was never leaving Wrigley.

Of course they weren't. I just remember a press conference where they asked Rahm about some report that the Ricketts were talking with Rosemont and he literally laughed out loud.

I know it was never a serious consideration but I do think the Ricketts put out some stories to try and scare the city. Those racist Ricketts e-mails that were leaked to Gawker back in the day talked about it if I remember correctly. They were always staying at Wrigley because you can fill that park up even with 70 win teams.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



Dexo posted:

To be fair, Ricketts made it abundantly clear they weren't ever going to leave Chicago, the Ricketts never actually seriously engage with Rosemont to even feign seriously considering leaving Wrigley, and Rahm and literally everyone knew it.

Ricketts is a mark of a fan, that dude was never leaving Wrigley.

Yeah, he publicly declared for a year they weren't ever gonna leave Wrigley, then tried the ol' "if you don't do what we want, we'll move to Rosemont!" Worse bluff ever

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

trevorreznik posted:

poo poo, they could use the Belvidere auto plant now that it's permanently idled.

Is the casino still not built?

Nope, they have a pseudo casino thing where Giovanni's used to be now, after I think some silly poo poo happened where the family that owned it was forced to sell. But nope, I think they said end of 2023, early 2024 is when it finishes.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Niwrad posted:

Of course they weren't. I just remember a press conference where they asked Rahm about some report that the Ricketts were talking with Rosemont and he literally laughed out loud.

I know it was never a serious consideration but I do think the Ricketts put out some stories to try and scare the city. Those racist Ricketts e-mails that were leaked to Gawker back in the day talked about it if I remember correctly. They were always staying at Wrigley because you can fill that park up even with 70 win teams.

Yeah, he did said it once that he was considering it, Rahm and literally every alderperson laughed, because he'd spent like the past 3 years talking about how much he loved wrigley and would never leave, and they knew he wasn't about that life.

They did leak/say it, but no one respected it because like Rosmont's mayor like never even got a cursory conversation about it or whatever.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
I’m gonna throw an idea out there. Tell me if it’s too extreme or not.

Underground Bears Stadium & Entertainment Complex

Never again shall weather interfere with a Bears game. The stadium will be 300 feet under the Earth in a climate controlled reinforced titanium sphere. Huge freight elevators will deliver fans to the games. The ground level is just a series of parking decks and an enormous series of Colossus of Rhodes-style statues of Bears greats.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



Gonz posted:

I’m gonna throw an idea out there. Tell me if it’s too extreme or not.

Underground Bears Stadium & Entertainment Complex

Never again shall weather interfere with a Bears game. The stadium will be 300 feet under the Earth in a climate controlled reinforced titanium sphere. Huge freight elevators will deliver fans to the games. The ground level is just a series of parking decks and an enormous series of Colossus of Rhodes-style statues of Bears greats.

It sounds good on paper, but what happens when the mole people invade?

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Sataere posted:

It sounds good on paper, but what happens when the mole people invade?

I’d sure like to see the mole people try to infiltrate a 20 foot thick titantium sphere the size of an NFL stadium.

I don’t think they have the gall or the technology to accomplish such a feat.

Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



Gonz posted:

I’d sure like to see the mole people try to infiltrate a 20 foot thick titantium sphere the size of an NFL stadium.

I don’t think they have the gall or the technology to accomplish such a feat.

The dark web says they are biding their time.

Also, the correct answer is that mole people can only make football more awesome.

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023

Gonz posted:

I’m gonna throw an idea out there. Tell me if it’s too extreme or not.

Underground Bears Stadium & Entertainment Complex

Never again shall weather interfere with a Bears game. The stadium will be 300 feet under the Earth in a climate controlled reinforced titanium sphere. Huge freight elevators will deliver fans to the games. The ground level is just a series of parking decks and an enormous series of Colossus of Rhodes-style statues of Bears greats.

Block 37 bears stadium

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I flew from the UK for two Lions games over Thanksgiving in 2013. The Packers were the opponents on Thanksgiving, but they didn't have Rodgers so the Lions shellacked them 40-10. At some point in the fourth quarter when the game was out of hand, a Packers fan in a jersey and hard hat (?) lifted up the sleeve of his jersey, flexed his muscles and kissed a tattoo of the Lombardi trophy which had the Packers wins numbered below it. I found it genuinely hilarious

I was at that game too! The guy next to us was inexplicably a Packers fan with no ties to Wisconsin or the surrounding area (I think he was actually a Detroiter who I believe said he played at Oregon State?) and he kept shouting “apple turnover!” when the Packers were on defense. We were right in front of an endzone and I think he finally shut up when Suh got a safety where he held Matt Flynn like a small child.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
The other thing I remember about the game was that it snowed over night, and when I woke up at 7am I looked out and saw some dudes throwing a football around in a parking lot

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova

Sataere posted:

They absolutely have leverage. Naperville is wooing them hard. It isn't like the property suddenly becomes worthless if they don't build a stadium on it. They'll build where can get the most profit from. I doubt any real estate developer has ever thought "oh no, prime real estate in Arlington Heights! Whatever will I do with this!?!?"

They could theoretically sell off the land but nobody’s going to have the same desire to buy the entire thing in one fell swoop and value it as highly as the Bears did, and I don’t know that the McCaskeys have the cash flow to let the Arlington site sit in limbo while they go through the process of acquiring a *second* stadium site in a place where land is gonna be way harder to come by.

Even if they can afford it, any remotely feasible site in Naperville is probably going to be way worse logistically than Arlington Park (which they probably don’t give a poo poo about) and won’t let them pursue their fantasy of having a cash cow commercial district around the stadium (which they absolutely would care about)

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




Gonz posted:

I’m gonna throw an idea out there. Tell me if it’s too extreme or not.

Underground Bears Stadium & Entertainment Complex

Never again shall weather interfere with a Bears game. The stadium will be 300 feet under the Earth in a climate controlled reinforced titanium sphere. Huge freight elevators will deliver fans to the games. The ground level is just a series of parking decks and an enormous series of Colossus of Rhodes-style statues of Bears greats.

Where would tailgating be held?

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

Yea I give the bears like a 1% chance of moving on from Arlington. Maybe if Naperville or wherever decided to give them a shitload of land for free, but I don’t see that happening. They’re just trying to get relief from Arlington, and I hope they just tell the bears to pound sand.

Rectal Placenta
Feb 25, 2011
They should move to beautiful Joliet

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Sataere
Jul 20, 2005


Step 1: Start fight
Step 2: Attack straw man
Step 3: REPEAT

Do not engage with me



xbilkis posted:

They could theoretically sell off the land but nobody’s going to have the same desire to buy the entire thing in one fell swoop and value it as highly as the Bears did, and I don’t know that the McCaskeys have the cash flow to let the Arlington site sit in limbo while they go through the process of acquiring a *second* stadium site in a place where land is gonna be way harder to come by.

Even if they can afford it, any remotely feasible site in Naperville is probably going to be way worse logistically than Arlington Park (which they probably don’t give a poo poo about) and won’t let them pursue their fantasy of having a cash cow commercial district around the stadium (which they absolutely would care about)

Don't kid yourself. Arlington Park is going to be a logistics nightmare. 53 cannot handle stadium traffic. Although I'm not sure 88 will be much better.

As for the price they spent, I really doubt they went above market value to purchase the property. They spent about 600k per acre. Pretty sure a home on half an acre would cost that. Just a quick look at houses for sale in Palatine/Rolling Meadows/Arlington Heights shows that what they paid is what it is worth. The assessors absolutely nailed the valuation and the Bears had to know what the value was. They're just trying to get concessions. But if they don't get concessions, they still have a valuable piece of property that will only go up in value.

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