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Irony Be My Shield posted:I do think it's a storytelling failure that we haven't seen him actually demonstrate his abilities much
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Marine Hunter Mihawk and World’s Strongest Swordsman Mihawk seem like not entirely unrelated titles. Maybe the Marines had a strong tradition of swordsmanship before he got to them? Who was the previous World’s Strongest Swordsman?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:He hasn't but the sole purpose of the character is to be The World's Strongest Swordsman and Zoro's final challenge. I do think it's a storytelling failure that we haven't seen him actually demonstrate his abilities much but it wouldn't make any narrative sense if he's secretly weaker than foes Zoro has already defeated Er, Zoro hasn't beaten Big Mom, Kaido or Shanks so I don't know what you mean by that. I think it makes sense for Zoro to become the World's Strongest Swordsman but still be solidly below Luffy and people in Luffy's weight class like those 3. JuniperCake posted:It's one thing to go 1 v 1 with a yonko in a duel. It's another to start a fight with a yonko plus all of their subordinates. Not just their own crew/commanders and the armadas but also aligned nations and everything else, like it's a lot. Even Shanks who has a notoriously weak armada, has a very powerful crew and is allies with the giants and potentially other strong nations as well. It doesn't mean he's weaker than them, no. But for the same reason him not wanting to fight Shanks doesn't mean that he's stronger than him either. They're both equally ambiguous in what exactly they mean.
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CommunityEdition posted:Who was the previous World’s Strongest Swordsman? vista or t-bone?!
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t-bone was the worlds most morally powerful swordsman, a title mihawk could never hope to obtain
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Nephthys posted:Er, Zoro hasn't beaten Big Mom, Kaido or Shanks so I don't know what you mean by that. I think it makes sense for Zoro to become the World's Strongest Swordsman but still be solidly below Luffy and people in Luffy's weight class like those 3. That's true, we can't know for sure unless we actually see him fight a Yonko. Though I think it's safe to assume he's at least Yonko adjacent, even if he might be above or below particular Yonkos. It would be a bit of a disappointment otherwise you know? This guy is Zoro's goal after all.
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Mihawk could easily be individually on the level of an Emperor in strength but has no interest at all in amassing territory or a strong crew or any of the usual pirate lord stuff so doesn't have much pull. One Piece despite all the fights that end up as 1v1s between the strongest guys does a really good job of showing how much help Luffy needs from his crew and whatever allies they've made to actually climb up the often literal staircase to the final boss, basically every arc after Alabasta has had a big chunk of it be people clearing a path for luffy who is just running and yelling
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Nephthys posted:I think he's a Hakiman. I was thinking about this the other day because Big Mom uses a sword and would most likely kick Mihawks butt so shouldn't she or Shanks be the strongest swordsman? But I think the idea of being a "swordsman" is that you're actually using skill and technique to fight rather than just smashing everything with haki.* I don't believe in the "Hakiman" thing. Big Mom may or may not have been able to win against Mihawk if both went all-out, but if she wasn't allowed to use her Devil Fruit power, Mihawk would definitely win. And in a fight between Mihawk and Shanks, Mihawk would win. I don't see any alternative that doesn't devalue Zoro's dream.
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CommunityEdition posted:Marine Hunter Mihawk and World’s Strongest Swordsman Mihawk seem like not entirely unrelated titles. Maybe the Marines had a strong tradition of swordsmanship before he got to them? Who was the previous World’s Strongest Swordsman? Remember that Roger was a swordsman without a Devil Fruit, so he must have been the strongest swordsman when he was alive. After his death, I assume Rayleigh would have been the strongest swordsman. This raises some complicated timeline issues, though: when, exactly, did Rayleigh start to meaningfully decline from age? But at the same time, the incident with Blackbeard on Amazon Lily shows that even relatively well-informed people still overestimate Rayleigh, so for Mihawk to be recognized in-universe as the strongest, he must have either defeated Rayleigh or defeated someone who defeated Rayleigh, but without making Rayleigh look bad in the process.
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Silver2195 posted:And in a fight between Mihawk and Shanks, Mihawk would win. IMO you're correct about this, even with Shanks at his prime. I do think that one thing to note is that while Mihawk could beat Shanks, it'd probably be very close but there's a 0% chance that Mihawk could beat the Red Hair Pirates. Mihawk's biggest weakness, wrt anything but personal strength and swordsmanship, is that he struggles to work with other people effectively.
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I always felt like Mihawk's "you're not worth my time anymore" was an excuse and he had other reasons for not wanting to fight Shanks. Also, without responding to anything in particular, a broad "lol" at the idea that the antagonist we've been fighting in one form or another since Punk Hazard (with a brief digression to deal with Sanji's family drama) had "no effect on the story".
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Silver2195 posted:I don't believe in the "Hakiman" thing. Big Mom may or may not have been able to win against Mihawk if both went all-out, but if she wasn't allowed to use her Devil Fruit power, Mihawk would definitely win. And in a fight between Mihawk and Shanks, Mihawk would win. I don't see any alternative that doesn't devalue Zoro's dream. I don't think we can say that it's definite without seeing more from Mihawk. Currently, Big Mom has shown strength, speed, durability and haki beyond anything we've seen from Mihawk. That might well change but it also might not. I don't think Mihawk being weaker than the Yonko's devalues Zoro's dream. He wants to be the strongest swordsman, not strongest overall. Scholtz posted:IMO you're correct about this, even with Shanks at his prime. Shanks is still in his prime. Like MonsterEnvy said, Oda has confirmed that Shanks has only gotten stronger, not weaker, since losing his arm. So it isn't that Mihawk doesn't want to fight him because he's diminished in strength. Shanks basically flashstepped from his ship, across his fleet and in front of Kid and took him and KIller out in one hit. Shanks might well be the strongest character in One Piece right now.
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Milhawk and Shanks are probably around the same strength tbh.
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Nephthys posted:I don't think we can say that it's definite without seeing more from Mihawk. Currently, Big Mom has shown strength, speed, durability and haki beyond anything we've seen from Mihawk. That might well change but it also might not. I don't think Mihawk being weaker than the Yonko's devalues Zoro's dream. He wants to be the strongest swordsman, not strongest overall. That's be Imu, unless Shanks is Imu, Shamu! It all makes sense.
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socialsecurity posted:That's be Imu, unless Shanks is Imu, Shamu! It all makes sense. Shamu vs. Laboon
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Shanks is using the 20th sword as is his right as a celestial dragon
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Silver2195 posted:I don't believe in the "Hakiman" thing. Big Mom may or may not have been able to win against Mihawk if both went all-out, but if she wasn't allowed to use her Devil Fruit power, Mihawk would definitely win. And in a fight between Mihawk and Shanks, Mihawk would win. I don't see any alternative that doesn't devalue Zoro's dream. The story seems to imply things about CH that's contrary to what it states directly - people think that a character having CH undermines their efforts by making it seem like they're lucky enough to get this thing that lets them do things, but the subtext seems to imply the opposite. Like, Luffy isn't going to become the king of the pirates because he's a one in a million guy that has CH. Luffy can use CH because he's a one in a million guy who is going to become the king of the pirates. I'd go so far as to say that Zoro's CH reveal is supposed to be a subtle confirmation of this - he realizes that for him to be the world's greatest swordsman, he has to have CH, and then he does.
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If you don't read spoilers you should like fully bulletproof yourself against getting spoiled this week.
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Just wanna say that I don't really care for powerscaling, and the only reason I ever use the term Hakiman is because this video is always playing in my mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjpFJaJpSVo`
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Hackerman except it's Hakiman
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I ate the Haki Haki no Mi, making me a Hakiman!
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MorningMoon posted:Just wanna say that I don't really care for powerscaling, and the only reason I ever use the term Hakiman is because this video is always playing in my mind I was about to post this in response to you saying Hakiman. Its the first laugh out loud ive gotten in a while
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buggy is named yonko for comedy’s sake, but it seems like mihawk is calling the shots in cross guild so isn’t he effectively an emperor now anyway
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notwithyourheart posted:buggy is named yonko for comedy’s sake, but it seems like mihawk is calling the shots in cross guild so isn’t he effectively an emperor now anyway Yes, except with the caveat that Buggy and Crocodile are doing the actual leadership/organizational stuff. Mihawk has Emperor-level combat ability, but he's too much of a loner to actually be an Emperor.
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it's really hard to reconcile how little mihawk ever seems to do with how proactive he was in taking out some schlub that wandered into the grand line.
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I remember when the most Garp had done was throw a cannonball and people would be saying “no way was he actually Roger’s rival. Dude’s a total scrub loser and just not a big deal” and it took 800 chapters but Garp has thrown a punch and people are less dubious about whether he strong now. Same thing with Shanks until he butchered Kid and that was 1000 chapters or so. I think for the most part in OP you can just believe the hype that is made around characters and theorising about maybe a dude is actually way weaker then his rep won’t get you anywhere.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's really hard to reconcile how little mihawk ever seems to do with how proactive he was in taking out some schlub that wandered into the grand line. I think it makes sense. Mihawk is bored, and when the opportunity passes him by, he'll grab it because why the gently caress not, what else does he have to do with his time? Him destroying the Krieg Pirates after they made the mistake of picking a fight with him, and then following them all the way into East Blue to gently caress them up again is just cause he literally has nothing better to do. At the same time, he doesn't like being inconvenienced personally. So when the Marines start going after him in spades, it annoys him because it means he has to crush them day after day. Just cause he likes having fun beating the poo poo outta people doesn't mean he wants to do it every day. It's not like they're even sending their best swordsmen to fight him anyways, so why should he care? It was fun at first because it was a new development in his monotonous life, but then it got annoying cause it kept happening, which is why he decided to join up with Croc. At least, that's the gist I got. He's the kinda guy who wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants to have fun at someone else's expense, but doesn't want his own peace interrupted. He's fine with small skirmishes or one-on-one fights with strong people, but he doesn't want to be engaged in some drawn-out war between pirate crews.
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Dude is at the top of the mountain and is just way bored with it. Classic story.
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That poor eye surgeon gonna have to do the surgery while a bunch of manga executives stand in the room with loaded guns for if he fucks up.
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Drakkel posted:We're like a day into this hiatus and we're already on power level discourse this must be a new record Not even a day because this week's chapter isn't out yet!
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Drakkel posted:We're like a day into this hiatus and we're already on power level discourse this must be a new record Feel like people have been caring way more about power levels in OP in the last year or so. Wonder what caused it? Gear 5 maybe? Or just defeating Kaido? Hard to say.
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