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Armitag3 posted:Well Discord still uses THE internet to function, but yeah, don't actually try to use it directly or you'll be torn to shreds by the light-speed spam barrage of bots trying to scam other bots the internet isn’t the world wide web
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Captain Foo posted:the internet isn’t the world wide web whatever sir tim berners-PEE
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i think we're talking about the fuzzy idea of the public internet" here, though i think it is hard to define what that means, as if we're excluding discord for being unindexed invite places facebook is also already it's own thing. though probably it is fair that it is.
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Jun 16, 2023 16:22
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ryde posted:the typical answer is "Tesla is a technology company not a car company" which lol, ok, sure. https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1669594706483740673?s=20
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i think we're talking about the fuzzy idea of the public internet" here, though i think it is hard to define what that means, as if we're excluding discord for being unindexed invite places facebook is also already it's own thing. if you use the zucc's private label internet service in a developing nation, it literally is
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it’s true, teslas are already very good at hallucinating that e.g. an ambulance is an open road
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Jun 16, 2023 16:26
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i guess it's theoretically possible that discord could bolt on a wiki functionality that's publicly accessible via browser / can be indexed by crawlers to help with discovery but this would be wrenching discord into something it's not meant to be and also would be just as susceptible to llm rot as anything else so yeah no matter how you approach this the world wide web is dead. loving sucks
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Jun 16, 2023 16:26
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the only way i can see the world wide web coming back is if a new search engine somehow is able to collect the manpower to validate and curate reputable sites by hand to ensure their indexes sites are firewalled from The Great Contagion™ but there's no way that's ever happening
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Jun 16, 2023 16:29
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the only way i can see the world wide web coming back is if a new search engine somehow is able to collect the manpower to validate and curate reputable sites by hand to ensure their indexes sites are firewalled from The Great Contagion™ but there's no way that's ever happening Someone started a thread somewhere here about kagi, the paid search engine that gave you tools like the ability to filter out domains you don't want, and let you curate sources yourself. It was also 5 buckaroos a month so that's basically a non starter lol, though that's probably the paradigm shift from free (but ad-driven) that is the missing piece of the puzzle
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Jun 16, 2023 16:35
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the only way i can see the world wide web coming back is if a new search engine somehow is able to collect the manpower to validate and curate reputable sites by hand to ensure their indexes sites are firewalled from The Great Contagion™ but there's no way that's ever happening i would pay for that service but i don't know if like, the general public are even aware of this kind of problem or... y'know, use the web to look up information instead of just searching in tiktok or whatever app they prefer, soo
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Jun 16, 2023 16:56
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also guarantee it would wind up doing the adblock plus thing of "ok they paid us enough so we're going to enable this thing that lets through only the really good garbage, we promise" and lol
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Armitag3 posted:Someone started a thread somewhere here about kagi, the paid search engine that gave you tools like the ability to filter out domains you don't want, and let you curate sources yourself. It was also 5 buckaroos a month so that's basically a non starter lol, though that's probably the paradigm shift from free (but ad-driven) that is the missing piece of the puzzle man at this point im ready to pay for search if its actually not dog poo poo, gonna check this out reddit was the last bastion for free search and thats gone
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Jun 16, 2023 16:58
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Mr. Crow posted:man at this point im ready to pay for search if its actually not dog poo poo, gonna check this out it's good. unfortunately the $5 is for the babby tier
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Jun 16, 2023 16:59
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it's good. unfortunately the $5 is for the babby tier yeah, it's legit good, which i did not expect. dreading when my trial quota runs out.
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Jun 16, 2023 17:11
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paid search should remain a niche thing, if it takes off then the seo creeps will start paying attention
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Jun 16, 2023 17:19
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yeah it's really hard to see how any potential solution would scale without starting to cost real money to operate and thus attract real funding and be subsumed by real capitalism
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Jun 16, 2023 17:22
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my boss got me into the kagi beta last year and i lasted about 1 week after my trial ended and caved to subbing they added a feature recently that lets you summarize search results or specific documents and holy gently caress im never reading a lovely blog post again its good and worth the money imo.
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Jun 16, 2023 17:58
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discord is currently running an experiment to see what happens if you replace leadership, pm, and management with ex meta & zillow employees that were fired during the post-covid purge the results are so far predictable: competent people are jumping ship at an alarming rate, updates to the platform make no sense to users or employees, and glassdoor is all 1 and 2 star reviews with the occasional astroturfed 5 star
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Jun 16, 2023 18:12
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so much for any discord-twitch-reddit employment loop with all of them being hot messes
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Khorne posted:discord is currently running an experiment to see what happens if you replace leadership, pm, and management with ex meta & zillow employees that were fired during the post-covid purge ah, is that where the super reactions came from?
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Jun 16, 2023 18:21
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Eeyo posted:maybe discord should just let you "archive" servers or something. so you're still joined it just doesn't show up in the list of servers. that’s what folders are for
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Jun 16, 2023 18:21
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in a strange way, i somewhat miss netsplits
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Khorne posted:discord is currently running an experiment to see what happens if you replace leadership, pm, and management with ex meta & zillow employees that were fired during the post-covid purge omg having a big name on your resume doesn’t mean you’re competent??? 
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dioxazine posted:in a strange way, i somewhat miss netsplits in general it was fun and interesting, but even irc moved away from servers at university computer clubs and people's closets long ago, and tbh and imo the kind of person who'd be really invested in the freedom and independence of a grassroots network in 2023 has a higher than average likelihood of being terrible.
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Jun 16, 2023 18:31
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300 searches a month seems hilariously low and i aint paying $25 a month for unlimited, are yall actually hitting 300+ a month? I guess i don't necessarily know how many i do but surely 10+ a day
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Jun 16, 2023 18:32
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it is very low. i started mapping the !bang commands directly to firefox shortcuts in case it also counts as searches
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Tanners posted:my boss got me into the kagi beta last year and i lasted about 1 week after my trial ended and caved to subbing it was, uh, not great at summarizing this thread so be careful with that e: oh i thought this was the kagi thread. it wasn't great at summarizing that thread, not this one https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4031535 Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 16, 2023 |
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I'm not paying paying that much for a search engine unless it does my laundry for me
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kliras posted:it is very low. i started mapping the !bang commands directly to firefox shortcuts in case it also counts as searches they don't, which does make it a *bit* better. but, yeah, the pricing is too steep on search counts. we have bing devs posting here right? just nag your bosses into buying kagi already
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:we have bing devs posting here right? just nag your bosses into buying kagi already better yet, just copy them but keep bing free and kill off the paid search model before it has a chance to grow. microsoft is good at that. i'd definitely use it for more than just microsoft rewards and making fun of ai then
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Beeftweeter posted:it was, uh, not great at summarizing this thread so be careful with that its better at summarizing the lovely kind of blog post that google optimizes for where the actual content is about 3 lines spread over 9 paragraphs, which is what i was talking about specifically. its probably better or worse depending on how info is presented and how concrete the actual ideas in it are
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Eeyo posted:maybe discord should just let you "archive" servers or something. so you're still joined it just doesn't show up in the list of servers. make a folder called Archive and stick your archived discords in it
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Tanners posted:its better at summarizing the lovely kind of blog post that google optimizes for where the actual content is about 3 lines spread over 9 paragraphs, which is what i was talking about specifically. its probably better or worse depending on how info is presented and how concrete the actual ideas in it are yeah, i imagine just a blog post with no comments would probably be better for it to parse and "understand", but i could see something similar happening with a blog post with comments or something like a reddit thread. any threaded conversation, really
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ok thanks i legit didn't know you could do that. in my defense you have to drag a server onto another server to create a folder, which i thought was not obvious when i just now searched it.
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Beeftweeter posted:better yet, just copy them but keep bing free and kill off the paid search model before it has a chance to grow. microsoft is good at that. i'd definitely use it for more than just microsoft rewards and making fun of ai then not sure to what extent this is sarcastic, as it is simultaneously a good and bad outcome. i was thinking they could run it as a "labs" kind of product with like $5 unlimited searches to retain privacy guarantees very easily.
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If I'm Jerome Powell: I'm printing out this article, slamming it on the table at the next Fed meeting, and declaring that we're gonna raise interest rates by 500 basis points. There's clearly still too much stupid money out there.
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qirex posted:paid search should remain a niche thing, if it takes off then the seo creeps will start paying attention it wont work because the problem is the content being indexed not the indexer itself. you cannot spend money to fix the problem
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:not sure to what extent this is sarcastic, as it is simultaneously a good and bad outcome. i was thinking they could run it as a "labs" kind of product with like $5 unlimited searches to retain privacy guarantees very easily. lol, it does read as sarcastic but i was serious. gently caress paying for search, and the only way it's going to be killed off is if the free version improves but i imagine ms probably makes a good amount licensing bing to other companies, so who knows. they're probably already getting whatever it is they want to monetize out of those queries anyway
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Licensing bing? Do they have a self hosted search app or something?
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mystes posted:Licensing bing? Do they have a self hosted search app or something? bing up your NAS
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