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Tosk posted:re: Sukuna, do we think he was literally born a disfigured dude with 4 arms and 2 mouths? I definitely have been under the interpretation that he did that to himself in his pursuit of ultimate strength. There’s pretty compelling evidence to suggest that sukuna was a twin.
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No Wave posted:Maybe thats the story's intention. But it doesnt fit with Gojo's character to me. He's like the least miserable person alive. He defied the entire JJK power structure. Characters constantly tell us that Gojo wasnt committed to anything when he always did what he thought was right. He constantly talks about how selfish he is but loved the students more than anyone. He dreamed too big thinking he could beat Sukuna AND save Megumi (or earlier thinking he could minimize casualties in Shibuya). And he acts like his 1v1 with Sukuna was selfish but #2 even tells us that anyone else would just get in the way. Gojo was always half-hearted in everything he did. He upended Jujutsu society but he could've always gone further and completely tear down the existing hierarchy that opposed him and his ideals - a thought he freely expressed many times but couldn't bring himself to follow through despite having the capability. Despite his superficial fixation on his students he was also a terrible teacher, downright callous in his expectations out of them, and in his heart he only saw them as a sort of substitute for the work he couldn't bring himself to finish. What the story diegetically presents us ie with Yuta is that his students wholeheartedly believed in him right to the end, whereas neither himself nor the conjured spirits of his dead peers share that kind of enthusiasm and openly chastise his way of life, and the grotesquely enlightened being that is Sukuna acknowledges how close he managed to get to his level but in the end found himself shackled by a meaningless question of self-identity. I agree with the reading that Gojo stagnated by trying to live his life post Hidden Inventory pantomiming something he wasn't: the old Geto.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Gojo was always half-hearted in everything he did. He upended Jujutsu society but he could've always gone further and completely tear down the existing hierarchy that opposed him and his ideals - a thought he freely expressed many times but couldn't bring himself to follow through despite having the capability. Despite his superficial fixation on his students he was also a terrible teacher, downright callous in his expectations out of them, and in his heart he only saw them as a sort of substitute for the work he couldn't bring himself to finish. This is how I interpreted it as well. The series has beaten us over the head again and again that the only true path to power is to take hold of your desires and act on them. Clinging to anything more than that only makes you weaker within their world because it shackles down your potential. I like that you brought up Gojo not killing the higher ups or actually taking control like he wanted. It’s something you could argue that if he just acted on his desires , instead of trying to fit a mold of a person he never was, they would all be better off.
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Somberbrero posted:I just don't think Sukuna is interesting. It doesn't help that his "goal", as he stated this chap, is just kill time doing whatever he wants until he dies . I mean, it's understandable, sure, but it's also pretty uncreative, specially for a guy so creative when it comes down to jujutsu. I also wish we got more of him just being a dick to people, that's when he at his best.
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He’s not deep but I enjoy Sukuna. He also made his desire’s clear in the first chapter.
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Nuebot posted:Same, he was more interesting when he was just like an intimidating presence in someone else's head. But overall, I just don't really give much of a poo poo about big invincible final villains in shonen series that just kind of nosell everything and everyone for months at a time. It's not even strictly a personality thing because it's not very interesting when they're gloating braggarts either; it's just kind of dull watching a bunch of people fight god until someone also becomes god and beats him. Then why are you even engaging with this genre
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Art is looking rough, Sukuna is becoming about as interesting as AFO. Gege and Horikoshi high-fiving on the way to the hospital.
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Blockhouse posted:Then why are you even engaging with this genre this isn’t an intrinsic part of the genre, it’s a low point/holding pattern that seemingly comes to manga whose artists are running on autopilot, usually because they’re dying of overwork
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i like the calvinball aspect of jjk ("can i do black flash on my kamehameha?" "idk try it  ") but the artwork on this latest chapter was really poo poo
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Oct 6, 2023 03:11
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Are people only judging the art from the first linked scans, which were poor quality.
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I don't think the art was a problem, but the actions are hard to follow when someone's slowly becoming more and more of just wiggly lines instead of a body. I can parse what each image is, but the transition is where I get a little lost
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Bread Set Jettison posted:What’s up with yujis arms and hands Bro is turning into piccolo.
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I'll be honest I love that the last panel Kashimo apparently got while alive is his impending death lol. Just so completely hosed that there's no need to even show the deathblow that probably happened a fraction of a second later
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Conspiratiorist posted:Gojo was always half-hearted in everything he did. He upended Jujutsu society but he could've always gone further and completely tear down the existing hierarchy that opposed him and his ideals - a thought he freely expressed many times but couldn't bring himself to follow through despite having the capability. Despite his superficial fixation on his students he was also a terrible teacher, downright callous in his expectations out of them, and in his heart he only saw them as a sort of substitute for the work he couldn't bring himself to finish.
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The good guys might just lose. I’m here for that.
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It’s funny that the sumo kappa guy and the old nameless katana obsessed dude were further on the path to enlightenment than Gojo. They just had desires that weren’t jujutsu. Rather unlucky since they respawned directly into a sorcerer death match. I doubt they even understood what the hell Kenjaku was talking about when they signed up, only that it was an opportunity to do more sumo/cut things.
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'll be honest I love that the last panel Kashimo apparently got while alive is his impending death lol. Just so completely hosed that there's no need to even show the deathblow that probably happened a fraction of a second later there's probably not even a corpse to show later on, dude just got atomized
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Oct 6, 2023 04:39
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also i like that curses are such a nebulous concept in JJK. Anything from knowledge to words of affirmation can be a curse. love is a curse, existence is a curse.
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a curse here, a curse there a curse for he, for she, why care a bottomless curse, a bottomless sea accepting of all that there is and can be
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Honestly what is happening here is completely insane. For some reason after Yorozu appeared everyone lost their established characterization and is suddenly parroting her inane line about what love is? Wish the guy who wrote the first 199 chapters was still writing this.
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Oct 6, 2023 05:41
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maybe everyone is coming in to give sukuna a biiiiiiiiiiiiiig hug
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Tonfa posted:Honestly what is happening here is completely insane. For some reason after Yorozu appeared everyone lost their established characterization and is suddenly parroting her inane line about what love is? Wish the guy who wrote the first 199 chapters was still writing this. It's real weird because Sukuna has been very open about what an rear end in a top hat he is and how much he enjoys it
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Yuji's Ultimate Weapon: Not giving poo poo about Sukuna learning the concept of love
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Jerkface posted:maybe everyone is coming in to give sukuna a biiiiiiiiiiiiiig hug Bring it in, guys!!!! 
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Just to be clear, though, Yuji's wearing gauntlets in the last page. Probably a cursed tool. EDIT: And uh, I think someone mentioned the eye slits, but he hasn't had those since Sukuna stopped possessing him?
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Electric Phantasm posted:Yuji's Ultimate Weapon: Not giving poo poo about Sukuna learning the concept of love Ready to kick some rear end!
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:EDIT: And uh, I think someone mentioned the eye slits, but he hasn't had those since Sukuna stopped possessing him? you're right, he hasn't
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Blockhouse posted:Then why are you even engaging with this genre Because it's usually only an end-game issue, and some series never quite get that bad even towards the end. Unless you're bleach; then you do it again six years later. Typically in series you have a parade of increasingly strong villains until you reach the inevitable biggest bad guy. Sukuna was always indicated as being like, impossible to defeat; but he wasn't an active combatant for most of the series and he worked great as a looming threat but it was inevitable that he'd step up at some point. In something like Hero Academia, for the most part the series has been pretty good, but the recent like year long fight against three invincible villains has sucked basically all of the life from the story. Naruto had its ups and downs, but the final arc against Obito, Madara and then the moon monster were just a snooze compared to the rest of the series. If a villain is too powerful, it makes most of the fights against them feel pointless after a while, and can even cheapen the victory against them.
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Fabricated posted:Art is looking rough, Sukuna is becoming about as interesting as AFO. Gege and Horikoshi high-fiving on the way to the hospital. The difference is, AFO's being used as a way to hype up more interesting characters. We've been getting some absolutely prime All Might in the last few chapters as he mocks AFO, and Shigaraki's defiance gives him a bit more meat than he had otherwise. Sakuna, meanwhile, is having characters die just to hype him up more. It's the opposite impact.
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A powerful fightman-antagonist in a fightmanga is pretty crucial in my opinion. Where a lot of shonen comics falter is how the bad guy is ultimately defeated. But yeah, so far Sukuna has only defeated one important character and that was Gojo (and it was an extremely hardfought and awesome fight). The main protagonist hasnt even gotten his fight against the main bad guy and people are already whining because side characters are dying? At least let the Protagonist and Antagonist fight before we call everything BS Also: quote:The good guys might just lose. I’m here for that. Collapsing Farts fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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Collapsing Farts posted:A powerful fightman-antagonist in a fightmanga is pretty crucial in my opinion. Where a lot of shonen comics falter is how the bad guy is ultimately defeated. Yeah I'm in the same boat here. Madara/AFO were annoying as hell fights because they took literal years and the whole thing was interspersed with annoying sideplots/-fights I didn't give a poo poo about because the author was obsessed with giving every single drat character their own Big Fighting Moment. Here we just got Gojo and Sukuna fighting the sickest battle ever and then a side character getting instantly wasted. It doesn't feel similar to me at all. I'm still holding out hope for Nobara still being alive, Yuji doing a bodyswitch with Sukuna, Nobara nailing Yuji/Sukuna with resonance, Megumi gets his body back, Yuji dies surrounded by his loved ones like the story established from the very beginning. It'd be a bittersweet but fitting and deserved ending imo.
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i think the problem is that the culling game barely made us care at all about most of the new side characters who've been introduced and who've since had a lot of attention.
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It seemed to me that people really liked lawyer guy and jackpot guy but disliked lightning guy incidentally lightning guy just got seemingly obliterated
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Yeah besides Kashimo everyone introduced that wasnt instantly defeated are pretty well liked in the reader base outside of like...angel and honestly that extended chapter earlier is turning even that around. Comedy man, Super Lawyer, Hikari. Hell people even liiked sumo man and the katana pervert. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Oct 6, 2023 |
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I just don't think "being the strongest" or "the strongest is lonely" or "love and being the strongest" are interesting or even particularly coherent concepts as gege writes about them, so the fact that this is apparently what really really interests him as we near the end is underwhelming
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I'll admit to being the one person who liked Kashimo but that was the previous  incarnation in the culling games, not this new notice me sukuna-senpai one
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I do think JJK is a rough weekly read. JJK flows better when I read chapters in bulk. The pacing makes much more sense. Nothing will be as good as Shibuya, but the culling games arc is better than expected on reread. Also yeah Kashimo was a dork, and I don’t buy he’s dead until I see his body. It’s “probably” but we’ve been faked out before. Also also if Yuji is showing up to Sukuna Royal rumble with Yuta’s metal arms I’m pumped
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wikipedia says you are the other 6 death paintings, when did that happen?
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Valentin posted:I just don't think "being the strongest" or "the strongest is lonely" or "love and being the strongest" are interesting or even particularly coherent concepts as gege writes about them, so the fact that this is apparently what really really interests him as we near the end is underwhelming That's exactly what Sukuna thinks as well. He just said the whole conversation is dumb, which is why I like him.
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