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edogawa rando posted:I keep wondering how long this has been going on for, to be honest. I can't imagine the victim at the centre of this and the hush money scandal was the only one to be treated in this way. This is one where you can just go back and forth making yourself more depressed. The earlier allegations we have details on were so different but have creepy details that foreshadow the details in this case. The promises made to Rita, the insane staring and arrogance in the Florida case, and the cases we know nothing about... the payment to the former wrestler was so gigantic it seems to imply something truly awful.
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Dango Bango posted:Rita Chatterton was 30+ years ago MassRafTer posted:This is one where you can just go back and forth making yourself more depressed. The earlier allegations we have details on were so different but have creepy details that foreshadow the details in this case. The promises made to Rita, the insane staring and arrogance in the Florida case, and the cases we know nothing about... the payment to the former wrestler was so gigantic it seems to imply something truly awful. Yeah, that's where I started thinking about this. It's definitely a horrible rabbit hole to fall down, and considering the involvement of Brock Lesnar in the current case, it also makes me wonder about other top level talent where women victimised by Vince McMahon and pals were used to sweeten deals during negotiations, and how many people in the locker room during this period were aware. I'd believe it if someone way down the card who's at risk of being cut during the annual bloodletting or toiling away in NXT says "mate don't look at me, I had no idea," but I'm pretty sure the top half of the card is full of good Germans, you know? I don't know about anyone else, but it feels to me like we're only just scratching the surface of McMahon's extra-curriculars.
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edogawa rando posted:I don't know about anyone else, but it feels to me like we're only just scratching the surface of McMahon's extra-curriculars. The really scary thing is the examples we have are primarily on-air talent. How many office types on the corporate side (like Grant) were victimized?
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You 100% have to think there was probably something up through Moolah too
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SatoshiMiwa posted:You 100% have to think there was probably something up through Moolah too I'm sure Vince got a lot of tips on humiliating and exploiting and trafficking women from that piece of poo poo Moolah.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:You 100% have to think there was probably something up through Moolah too I mean they had no problem whatsoever using Moolah's name until Snickers had to step in and be like "Fuckin' STOP"
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imagine trying to explain to a man that has been sex trafficking employees for 30 years that they have to remove moolah's name because she was sex trafficking employees for 30 years
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kdrudy posted:I'm sure Vince got a lot of tips on humiliating and exploiting and trafficking women from that piece of poo poo Moolah. Hell the likelihood she pimped her girls out to him is 100%.
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Yeah that's kinda of what i was getting after...
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SatoshiMiwa posted:You 100% have to think there was probably something up through Moolah too Oh yeah, not a shred of doubt on my end. Lid posted:Hell the likelihood she pimped her girls out to him is 100%. Also, oh yeah, not a shred of doubt.
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edogawa rando posted:I don't know about anyone else, but it feels to me like we're only just scratching the surface of McMahon's extra-curriculars. From reading the complaint, it definitely didn’t seem like his first time grooming a victim.
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Vengarr posted:From reading the complaint, it definitely didn’t seem like his first time grooming a victim. Like the guy had a whole support structure helping him. The people at his apartment building, the "celebrity doctor", the entire corporate structure at WWE itself. And also keep in mind this one case only accounts for like, 3 out of 16 million dollars worth of hush money payments. There's so much more out there that we don't know any details about and for all we know it could be somehow even worse than what we already know.
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Drakkel posted:Like the guy had a whole support structure helping him. The people at his apartment building, the "celebrity doctor", the entire corporate structure at WWE itself. And that's only what Vince has done, in a company where so many officials have histories of abuse and the company covering for them.
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Vengarr posted:From reading the complaint, it definitely didn’t seem like his first time grooming a victim. Yeah, it's never just the one victim, and we know there've been payments and NDAs going back decades.
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It was always funny when wrestling fans would speak of Jerry McDevitt in hushed tones like he was a supersoldier lawyer. The Bass article: https://deadspin.com/how-nicole-bass-was-slut-shamed-by-wwe-during-her-sexua-1821245688
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MassRafTer posted:It was always funny when wrestling fans would speak of Jerry McDevitt in hushed tones like he was a supersoldier lawyer. It's very much the effect of having more resources at hand than victims/opponents where he couldn't lose. (And apparently Vince/whoever relentlessly intimidating victims as well.) That said, thanks for digging that up.
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MassRafTer posted:It was always funny when wrestling fans would speak of Jerry McDevitt in hushed tones like he was a supersoldier lawyer. Doubly when fedpills would talk about him like he was THEIR lawyer. Like on retainer.
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MassRafTer posted:This is one where you can just go back and forth making yourself more depressed. The earlier allegations we have details on were so different but have creepy details that foreshadow the details in this case. The promises made to Rita, the insane staring and arrogance in the Florida case, and the cases we know nothing about... the payment to the former wrestler was so gigantic it seems to imply something truly awful. it really makes me think more about rena mero's treatment and everything behind it just really sickens me to wonder how everything there happened.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:it really makes me think more about rena mero's treatment and everything behind it just really sickens me to wonder how everything there happened. Which in turn makes me think of her current life which...now that we have a better picture of what Brock Lesnar is might be actually be worse
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MassRafTer posted:It was always funny when wrestling fans would speak of Jerry McDevitt in hushed tones like he was a supersoldier lawyer. This isn't to say that he didn't serve as Vince's fixer or anything like that. He absolutely did. But by all accounts, he was a genuinely great lawyer, and I've seen some weird examples of how dedicated and hardworking he was. (When he deposed Big Show's boxing trainer, he mentioned having read the trainer's obscure self-published book about his boxercise program, which he really didn't need to do and which a paralegal could have done regardless.) But I think he absolutely slipped with age. I'm not sure when that would have started — the Nicole Bass thing was weird in part because it felt like he may have done it on his own without coordinating with WWE — but by the time he responded to our questions for the Business Insider ring boys article, something was off. It's one thing to have hubris, but I don't remember him ever showing his proverbial rear end the way he did there in late 2020 when he talked about how he had no memory of the 1999 ring boy lawsuit (and 2000 settlement of that suit) even though his name and signature were on everything. Regardless, being an rear end in a top hat and a pitbull of a lawyer who seemingly crafted a specific persona to please Vince and being a great lawyer (at least before age took its toll) aren't mutually exclusive. Happy to answer any questions about dealing with him, BTW. At one point we had a more friendly relationship and he was genuinely fascinating to talk to, but I always knew that it would eventually turn adversarial and kept that in mind. The Bass article seemingly bothered him in part because I had emailed him an unrelated question in that time frame and didn't reach out for the Bass article. But...it wasn't really that kind of article. Jerry and company being absolutely terrible to opposing parties in lawsuits was nothing new, there was no reason to get comment from him unless it was the kind of "do you regret this kind of tactic in hindsight" kind of thing we wouldn't have gotten a good answer to regardless. It wasn't really in question that what I found was slut shaming, it's just that nobody really had any idea previously that it was part of their defense. And, by all accounts, she didn't have a particularly strong case and did a lot to hurt her credibility, regardless, so why take it in that direction?
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https://twitter.com/brandonthurston/status/1751754478665998449?s=46&t=mnYqVpM2My3x_us-EMYeXAquote:I respect everyone has different goals in wrestling media but we get to ask only a few questions per month to WWE EVP Paul Levesque and rarely have access to any other executive. A sex trafficking lawsuit was filed a few days ago against 3 parties: Vince McMahon, John Laurinaitis, and against the company itself, WWE. It alleges trafficking and sexual assault (including claims of instances inside WWE HQ).
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Someone brought up an interesting point. If Triple H wasn't read up on the lawsuit, why did he cancel Brock's creative for the Rumble?
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Did anyone at the presser call him out for saying he didn't read the lawsuit? What a load of poo poo
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Pylons posted:Someone brought up an interesting point. If Triple H wasn't read up on the lawsuit, why did he cancel Brock's creative for the Rumble? Didn't read the lawsuit, did read the Wall Street Journal? I guess Lesnar's old enough that the draw isn't what it was and it doesn't matter what happens to him, but he really is the "my standards for you were low, but holy poo poo" man.
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Pylons posted:Someone brought up an interesting point. If Triple H wasn't read up on the lawsuit, why did he cancel Brock's creative for the Rumble? Him claiming he hasn't read it doesn't pass even the most cursory of bullshit detectors. He's a loving board member, of course he's read it, and the whole board knew about this poo poo anyway. His answer was insanely stupid and unbelievable. He could (and should) have saying something about this being monstrous poo poo and the whole company dedicating their efforts into getting to the bottom of this and dealing with all involved... but of course he can't say that, because he's also involved.
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If he hadn't read it, he absolutely shouldn't have said he hadn't read it. Idiot, thankfully.
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Has any ex-WWE wrestler commented on this at all? It's been a few days now and afaik it's been radio silence by everyone. I wouldn't expect any current WWE wrestlers to say anything cos they'd be fired instantly, but others surely...
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Alan_Shore posted:Has any ex-WWE wrestler commented on this at all? It's been a few days now and afaik it's been radio silence by everyone. I wouldn't expect any current WWE wrestlers to say anything cos they'd be fired instantly, but others surely... Maria and Rousey both commented.
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keithy george posted:If he hadn't read it, he absolutely shouldn't have said he hadn't read it.
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keithy george posted:If he hadn't read it, he absolutely shouldn't have said he hadn't read it. Idiot, thankfully. Exactly. You say you're aware of the allegations, they are monstrous, and you will make sure everything possible is done to get to the bottom of this, but as awful as this is, you want to focus on the incredible show dedicated WWE Universe Superstars put on and blah blah blah. What you don't say is "I don't know poo poo but this has been an incredible week for the WWE Universe". That is literally one of the worst answers anyone has ever given to any question.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I am genuinely unsure if Triple H’s press conference showing was due to arrogance or if he was intentionally given bad talking points and sent out to hang himself. He's worked his way to the top of a company where the culture is the show must go on no matter what horrific things just happened, it's pretty ingrained in him at this point and consequences are just a foreign concept. As for why he chose the "I haven't read it" lie specifically, he knows it implicates him but doesn't know how the media coverage will play out or if the case will go to discovery. He's afraid to condemn anything or claim that it's his first time hearing of any of the allegations because it might come back to bite him later if the truth comes out.
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Drakkel posted:Like the guy had a whole support structure helping him. The people at his apartment building, the "celebrity doctor", the entire corporate structure at WWE itself. Does the apartment/condo situation with the building manager helping connect her with Vince feel coordinated? I admit that wasn’t my impression reading the suit, but only because it seemed she’d made friends as she was trying to get back on her feet, so the manager contacting Vince on her behalf felt more a good faith offer with horrific results. It didn’t strike me as a Ghislaine pipeline. None of the folks from the building were named or Apartment Manager #2’d, were they? And obviously having typed all that I realize I’m in a way asking ‘please let this not have been a well-used lure’ with not a lot of hope 96 BELOW THE WAVE fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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