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Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Fidelitious posted:

But also, aren't you only supposed to DIY terminate ethernet in keystones or FTPs? The only reason I've seen for terminating in RJ45 is some kind of POE situation where the bigass FTP literally doesn't fit or I guess you really quickly need a temporary patch cable.

Other than that you should be buying manufactured patch cables.

Depends. Where all my cables come together in the basement I just put ends on and plugged them directly into the switches after I realized I was just looking for an excuse to put in a patch panel I didn't need. Also, I'm not going to order weird sizes I don't have on hand if I already have a spool of cable and a drawer full of ends.

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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Fidelitious posted:

But also, aren't you only supposed to DIY terminate ethernet in keystones or FTPs?

Yeah I was terminating into this mostly





and at the other end





Which is kind of what I meant about it being a massive ballache

One day this will be connected to the actual internet through fibre



Left the smart car on the manhole relentlessly waiting for a call to maybe one day...



Things have been a bit slow. My nephews got some random illness so then I got it. No details but bad both ends and fever. Chucked up my tea and went to bed.

I got a bit hypochondriacy and was googling, when I had the energy to raise my poor pathetic wrists, as to whether like soldering in tight environments and stuff could poison you cos the whiffs of solder I got were quite.. ohhh hello. And then I was thinking about how cut up all my fingers were from all the ragged copper piping I had refused to ream and how maybe all the acid flux had got into my blood that way.

I couldn't sleep and had the shivers and I know we've done this with the jam thing. But honestly all night I was fixated on the pipes. My feverdreaming neither awake nor asleep brain wandered off, unable to think of anything but my unfinished pipes. The gaping gaps in my system, the poorly aligned valves, the sloppy solders.

All night all i could think of was me and the house entwined together unfinished in my bed, our insides twisted about and unterminated. But worse untested. my breaths, bloods, waters and poos all running together poisoning me from within. I honestly didnt think I'd make it and worried that anyone would bother finishing the thread.

But I was OK in the end

I went up to see wally at the gatehouse, the old boy on the corner, who chatted me through it and clasped something into my hand as I left, I thought it might be some money



And got back into it, remember I didnt in the end like that skinny titch flush fill valve?



replaced



Gettign the last few bits done in situ







theres the odd cheeky biy still I do remotely if it lets things work better and done in place would like set fire to something or gently caress something up



Replacement compression joints on outside allows everything to get soldered inside insitu but leaves a bit of opportunity for loving about outside later.



Theyve got this on



Which I also put on all the compression joints inside... basically done minus the final switch from temp water onto this system.

so just some final electrics and then maybe turn it on and see what happens?





NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Feb 24, 2024

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I went up to see wally at the gatehouse, the old boy on the corner, who chatted me through it and clasped something into my hand as I left, I thought it might be some money



:hmmyes:

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

NotJustANumber99 posted:



Left the smart car on the manhole relentlessly waiting for a call to maybe one day...





Is that The Pub Next Door? It looks grim, like it’s a place where people will roofie you so they can steal your prosthetic leg. It should be named The Shivering Leper or The Gorge and Fart.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

NotJustANumber99 posted:

All night all i could think of was me and the house entwined together unfinished in my bed, our insides twisted about and unterminated. But worse untested. my breaths, bloods, waters and poos all running together poisoning me from within. I honestly didnt think I'd make it and worried that anyone would bother finishing the thread.

Got to decide which poster to put in your will to inherit the thread.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


EasilyConfused posted:

Got to decide which poster to put in your will to inherit the thread.

Bagsie not it

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Jeff will buy the house and keep it as a Museum to SA And Man's Hubris

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.


3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible

SpeedFreek
Jan 10, 2008
And Im Lobster Jesus!

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Replacement compression joints on outside allows everything to get soldered inside insitu but leaves a bit of opportunity for loving about outside later.


Why did you dope up the threads on the compression fittings? That's not where the sealing happens, Swagelok even tells you not to do that on their compression fittings.

Gasmask
Apr 27, 2003

And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

Is that The Pub Next Door? It looks grim, like it’s a place where people will roofie you so they can steal your prosthetic leg. It should be named The Shivering Leper or The Gorge and Fart.

lol that pub looks lovely not grim. It hasn’t even got a flat roof

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Or a name like The Albion

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

SpeedFreek posted:

Why did you dope up the threads on the compression fittings? That's not where the sealing happens, Swagelok even tells you not to do that on their compression fittings.

Yeah it's wrong. And dumb. I did it because all the bits I took apart had gunk on them there. I didn't understand why but replicated it assuming whoever did it knew why. Currently on my third trip to Toolstation for bloody PTFE tape for the few bits that actually need it.

devicenull
May 30, 2007

Grimey Drawer

SpeedFreek posted:

Why did you dope up the threads on the compression fittings? That's not where the sealing happens, Swagelok even tells you not to do that on their compression fittings.

I thought we were well past listening to instructions

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Where we're going, we won't need instructions!

E: I'll leave it up to you to decide if this is a back to the future or event horizon reference.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Ironically it was (half) listening to other people that got me in that mess. If I'd gone with my natural instincts of laziness and cheapness I wouldn't have bothered with any extra effort or products expense.

But taking apart all the bits I'd bought from Bristol they all had this horrible sticky gunk on the compression threads. And my dad was saying something about needing it (although to be fair to him possibly he meant on the olive)so I thought be a grown up, do the right thing, get the stuff, faff about putting it on, take a picture, post it online, get told off.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


I’m not judging your kinks, just maybe don’t involve us without asking first

Gasmask
Apr 27, 2003

And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee
Flashback to when my music teacher told me to put Vaseline on my euphonium slides and I misunderstood and put it in the valves

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
The first couple of compression joints I've tested have just fallen straight off. I'm going to have to go round and clean my horrible gunk off all the male threads.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Sounds like the pub has a new glory hole.

CancerCakes
Jan 10, 2006

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Towards L shaped architecture: I'm going to have to go round and clean my horrible gunk off all the male threads.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
You may already have gathered from the comms today how well this is going to go

But I had set my heart on getting the plantroom plumbed and the heatpump running this weekend

It didnt feel like there was much left in the way just a few bits and bobs

Immersion heater on domestic water wiring up



Wiring up the heatpump stuff. I won't keep all this I don't think. Replace it with cooler stuff. But need something to get the show on the road, the floor warmed up so I can like tile the floors and poo poo





Looking through the box for the underfloor heating pump for the connectors and didnt notice really before but Grundfos's main marketing seems to mostly focus on how easy it is to buy another one when this one breaks. great



I have determined that I need to switch out a couple of soldered joints for compression ones so that it leaves me the ability to demount and remove the buffer and domestic water tanks. Like it will surely be a helpful long term thing anyway but also for right now I want to be able to more easily visually test all the pipework for leaks but also come back later and really nicely insulate pipework hidden away behind the tanks. Also got the lids of my trunking for the lads



So its at those three hilighted points



Total aside but as I came in this morning this is my front door's sweaty backside





Probably completely normal and not at all bad. Lets get some heating in this place

Time has come to cut my temp water and properly connect into all... this





We're taps on away from gently caress yeah

Not sure if I needed to do this but added AA(A?)Vs on to the ends of both sides of the underfloor heating manifold. Again its one of these things where I don't know the real reason why I'm doing the thing and I'm just sort of trying to guess somewhere as to who is the least wrong. So this will almost certainly be an expensive, unnecessary mistake. You can see those little white plastic keys? They are manual air admittance valves. You twist them you let the air bleed out of the system. I bought this as a complete system from like a company everyone seems to rate but some forums say you want automatic air admittance valves on there too? So I've chickened out and added them on the ends of the manifold. The big copper looking upright things. I also had to buy the big steel elbow and T to mount them in the end of the manifolds but it did give me a way to stick the pressure gauge back on.



Also bought 4litres of inhibitor. Against my better judgement. But whatever. I've got 350litres I think of volume in the heating loop. And you need a litre per 100.



OK before I can get to the fun bit of filling up the main heating system need to refill the underfloor heating loops.

I've left this spare way on the cold water manifold to eventually leave water in here but for now for temp filling loops



Turn it all on and no real issues. Means the combi valve seem i guess ok, first few compression joints too.



Get the underfloor heating loops filled no probs. Well the odd prob. nothing too probby

Right time to fill the whole heating system up and then turn on the heatpump. Lets just have a last minute mental run through...

gently caress.



you see that little diagram on there? Thats the actuator setup for heatsources to either domestic water or heating. AB in the middle, then switched out to either A or B



Anyway. I;ve decided against having hot water or heating lol. I've at some point confused the gently caress out of myself and plumbed the whole thing up so that... welll basically its wrong



So I have a solution. I need to redirect these pipes something like this



Which I recognise is starting to look a little awkwardly not ok

devicenull
May 30, 2007

Grimey Drawer
If you're planning on doing something you intend to remove/reinstall, you want to install unions. Compression fittings are not really meant to be removed/reinstalled.

DNK
Sep 18, 2004

devicenull posted:

If you're planning on doing something you intend to remove/reinstall, you want to install unions. Compression fittings are not really meant to be removed/reinstalled.

Noob: Cut twice
Master: Measure twice, cut once
Gigabrain: Measure once, cut twice

devicenull
May 30, 2007

Grimey Drawer

DNK posted:

Noob: Cut twice
Master: Measure twice, cut once
Gigabrain: Measure once, cut twice

This thread: measuring tape was wrong so I made my own

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



devicenull posted:

This thread: measuring tape was wrong so I made my own

You say this but goons have literally downloaded a ruler from the internet because they didn’t trust theirs

c355n4
Jan 3, 2007

devicenull posted:

This thread: measuring tape was wrong so I made my own

Is it NIST certified?

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


I didn't need any kind of bleeding on my manifold because the combi boiler automatically bleeds the system (at the cost of boiler pressure that you have to keep an eye on), but I don't know what your setup is there so maybe you do.

Mousus
Apr 9, 2009
Two AAVs on the manifold is definitely a waste of time and effort.

Also worth pointing out the difference between Automatic Air Vent (used on the heating system to let air out) and Air Admittance Valve (used on the drainage to let air in with a minimum back flow of sewer gasses). The role of the air vents is to let you remove all of the air that gathers at high points of your heating system (and will gradually come out of solution in awkward places), the bubbles that makes in the pipe effectively make the pipes smaller as the water can't flow where the air is and if they are too large can block the system entirely. Your UFH manifold is a local hight point so putting an AAV on it is fairly sensible (but equally since it's a big bit of pipe compared to everything around it the manual bleed every now and then will almost certainly get the job done).

With the diverter valve it might be less effort to just find a different arrangement diverter valve and transfer the actuator over as you can get them in a wide range of configurations.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Mousus posted:

With the diverter valve it might be less effort to just find a different arrangement diverter valve and transfer the actuator over as you can get them in a wide range of configurations.

Oh this was an interesting avenue! But I couldn't find the right combination of words to type into ebay to find one that wasn't just the usual mid feed one. Plus this one is already paid for and a new one looks to be a couple of hundred quid.

So its the funky remix instead



If I hadn't hosed up unsoldering the T piece I could have got away with making this all up for nowt with leftovers but No I had to drop 4quid on a new T piece cos I overheated and dropped the old one and it kind of mangelted.

Diverter back on. Think I actually prefer the way it looks now, glad I did this.



Ok so fingers crossed and time to connect the filling loop to the heating system.



Of course theres a bunch of leaks.

Nothing serious but well you can't have it be all leaky I guess so need to drain it back down and try again. Its mainly all the connections into the buffer tank that just I guess need a bunch more ptfe tape or gunk on them. all the solders seem fine, although admittadly didn't get up to any pressure yet.

Fortunately I put this little drain point in low down near the main drain



But its slow as gently caress so just start opening random bits up to spunk out water a bit quicker. makes a bit of mess



This takes a couple of gos and is tedious having to keep drain it all down again so I'm surfing the web and not paying attention and it all sprays out the top of the buffer where I forgot to put the AAV back on lol



Which makes it tricky to see whats leaking now cos everythig is soaking.

Lol takes all day but get it sorted. Turn on heatpump



gently caress. theres a password. The lady I bought it off never told me anything about a password!

Turns out the password is the same for every single one so kind of easy to crack. Factory reset and start running through the testing and setup



Underfloor heating pump comes on as expected through heat pump power.



looking good. So the water temp is 8 degrees. The heat pump pump comes on as expected. Then the compressor and soon its doing actual heating.



So thats 8 degrees initially straight away up to 12. So like fundamentally a working heat pump!

Big fan spinny



A few things to straighten out still. But basically the whole operation buy a second hand heat pump and hot water system has been proven an unmitigated success! As I always knew it would with my history of making good deals.

Meow Meow Meow
Nov 13, 2010
Wow, congrats.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Sick

trevorreznik
Apr 22, 2023
I can't believe it's (temporarily) working

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener
Every time I check this thread out I feel the similarities with the KSP thread are uncanny...

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Success stories are not why I read this thread

Unbookmarked.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp
:golfclap: :cheers:

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

The new plant room floor looks really nice in this last set of photos.

Starbucks
Jul 7, 2002

Your daily cup of fuck you.
Congratulations on completing the bottom layer of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

TheMightyHandful
Dec 8, 2008

trevorreznik posted:

I can't believe it's (temporarily) working

The bug fixing in production is where this thread is going to go beyond anything beatmasterj could hope to achieve

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011



foundations going down to the core of the earth and this infernal contraption powering your underfloor heating? are we sure that this isn't some rite to summon a demon?

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Sagacity
May 2, 2003
Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

Starbucks posted:

Congratulations on completing the bottom layer of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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