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Admiral Joeslop posted:Does OSW ever stop doing slurs/racism/misogyny/rape jokes? I like the videos otherwise and this poo poo is really wearing on my nerves.
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Billy Gunn’s famasser gets called with the same name when other people do it. Was the move originally called the Famouser and got an rear end Pun attached? Did someone else name it?
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What is the general feeling around WWE's original brand split? The WWE news thread reminded me discussion about the decline of the Attitude Era/Invasion/Austin's heel turn are well covered these days, but I never see too many opinions about the act of the brand split itself - almost a year after their hottest Wrestlemania ever they totally changed the product, and it's the main thing I think about when I think about what put me off WWE at the time. Raw obviously amplified Triple H's problems and bringing Bischoff in was a smart move but at the time it was too close to latter day WCW for comfort. Even when Smackdown was having great matches with the Smackdown 6, I couldn't get past the weird feeling that I was watching this compromised product with a limited roster, tag teams like the Hardys and Dudleys broken up on a whim. (Watching some random Raw/Smackdowns from this period just seem to have such a small roster on each show) It's a big dumb mark thing to say, but it felt like there wasn't a true champion any more. I'm sure there's a few Ruthless Aggression era podcasts out there (I'll take any recommendations)! I read a lot of forums and just so rarely encounter anyone's feelings about the inital brand split and if it affected their view of WWE.
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May 11, 2021 21:59
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smikey posted:The Network isn't sold though, it's just not available in the US and Canada
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I can't agree at all on JBL, to me it's just as bad as it ever was if not somehow worse. Fully agree with Austin though. It might have been terrible for business, but drat if he didn't do some of his best character work at that time, as well as have some of his best matches post-neck injury (though said matches were with the likes of Benoit and Angle, who I guess most people would struggle to have a bad match with in their primes). Is there anything that specifically points to heel Austin being something that killed the business? Business didn't suffer much with his departure after '99, and arguably got better with The Rock as the top guy and a roster of up and coming talent. I'm curious if it was really Austin turning that turned away a significant part of the audience, or if it was really the weird chaos of the Invasion angle where you have a fake WCW staffed by big WWE names, a sudden wash of WCW talent that was getting simultaneously pushed and shat on.
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Aug 19, 2021 16:14
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My hot take was that the Firefly Funhouse match was a letdown. Cool idea with cool aspects but the thrust was "How embarrassing that you've had an extremely successful career John" and Cena wearing an nWo shirt which was nothing to do with anything.
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Sep 10, 2021 11:51
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It's difficult to imagine anything else. There was money and talent to keep TNA alive for 20 years, you've had ROH for 20 years and there's been nothing close. I think you needed a bunch of things coming together like: - CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, The Shield, NXT et al. igniting a new layer of interest in wrestling fans/lapsed fans returning - NJPW Bullet Club giving US wrestlers a chance to become prestegious stars outside of WWE - WWE systematically squeezing the goodwill out of all the renewed interest - Rise of indies with streaming services, hot crowd moments to share on social media, and a audience then has a big appetite for non-WWE style - Tony Khan being uniquely position with the money and being obsessed with wrestling Without a bunch of those things coming together, it's hard to imagine anything growing. I don't like the old phrase "Wrestling is a cyclical business" because it implies that upturns are just inevitable and they'll just eventually roll in. If AEW hadn't kicked off you could just happily have WWE producing Entertainment Content for all eternity with no comparable ratings draw.
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Sep 12, 2021 15:15
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Manwithastick posted:I would love to hear some experiences with betting on wrestling - if you follow this as closely as I imagine we mostly do it seems like a daily easy thing to win at surely? That said I remember a guy betting his home on an undertaker WM match the year he lost to lesner Orton was 7/1 and I figured “it can’t be that certain that Mahal is going to win?”. So many people had the same idea and Orton became the favourite. I then put a bet on Mahal to win and either would guarantee a decent profit. Looking back, it’s not unlike WWE to have a double DQ on a PPV. I also seem to remember Skybet just throwing up their hands in 2014 when Daniel Bryan didn’t appear in the Royal Rumble and just refunding people, even though they take all sorts of wildcard rumble bets.
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Jan 3, 2022 18:05
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History Comes Inside! posted:It could be worse, late 90s/Early 00s britwres was wall to wall with even less imaginative WWE ‘tribute’ gimmicks. There was a hardcore match and a bunch of small children rushed the ring and started playing with the weapons.
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Feb 20, 2022 10:10
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Benne posted:I would argue that Mark Henry never got good
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Feb 28, 2022 10:28
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Most people get away with sexual abuse allegations. I think Enzo only fully got in trouble because he didn’t properly report it to the office. He was also very unpopular backstage to boot.
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Dr. Quarex posted:I remember the first time Nash defended his actions by saying "someone had to break the streak" I thought to myself "I feel like Goldberg basically won the title and then Nash beat him immediately," and if that was seriously all his big-time defenses then that pretty much confirms it. I guess by 1998 standards having three title defenses was not that short, but uh, yeah, he probably should have beaten someone besides DDP who had actually held the belt before. Wait and DDP had not held it yet, ugh but he also worked to poison the well and poo poo up the product week after week so he can gently caress off to his guest bedroom for all I care
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Jun 14, 2022 21:37
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The Grey posted:I meant "freak out" as in "Yes!!! Jay White is here!" While I am thinking "Who the hell is Jay White?"
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Jun 27, 2022 12:44
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Defenestrategy posted:I mean if Austin stays face he does what? Feud with HHH and delay Jericho and Benoits main event push, such as it was, because the power trip doesn't happen and HHH doesn't have his quad blow out? As bad as WCW had been in 2000, and as much fantasy booking of the Invasion you can do, I don’t think there’s any way around the audience loss that goes from Nitro dying. American wrestling gets cut in half overnight. The brand split years later is a band aid on a missing arm.
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Jul 16, 2022 10:31
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I've heard it said a few times that Owen Hart was supposed to be "The Game" rather than Triple H. His first use of "The Game" in a promo was the month after Owen died. Is there anything to this? I don't even think the game is a gimmick, it's just a moniker. Unless Owen was going to gain lots of muscle mass, marry Stephanie and cut 20 minute promos?
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Jul 25, 2022 19:48
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What was the deal with Ken Shamrock's WWE departure? I know he leaves in September 1999, but the reason I ask is that he still appears in the first PS1 Smackdown game in Summer 2000, and also WWF No Mercy which released in late 2000. The game has him purchasable, along with Shawn Michaels, and it's known now that Shawn was still on the cards for a return around the time. Shamrock still appearing in 2000 games, when other people were aggressively being removed from them, either suggests that Shamrock still had an active WWE contract but was allowed to go back to MMA, or his contract was expired but WWE was still trying to court him back? I wondered if he had a conditional release to prevent WCW making an offer.
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Nov 8, 2022 08:55
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Ganso Bomb posted:My whole life has been a lie Later on people conflate this into a joke that Chris Benoit gets replaced by Steven Richards in the history books.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Why was Orton vs Edge at Backlash billed as the Greatest Wrestling Match Ever TM?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Cole is crazy underappreciated. Everything people hate about him is someone else's fault that he gets to be the public face of. He produces the commentary across the brands including NXT and can call an actual wrestling match if ordered to. Yes, he’s better when he doesn’t have Vince in his ear, you’d like to think he’s capable, but he’s spent 25 years with Vince in his ear, at what point is he complicit in his own poor quality output?
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May 10, 2023 08:28
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Roman probably work-rate wise and conditioning is a better worker than Rock in his Prime but he has nowhere near the in ring charisma the Rock had in his prime
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Sandman from ECW posted:As mentioned earlier they didn’t even have to do it in Montreal, they could have done it before or even weeks after. There’s a lot of things that don’t add up.
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I thought Cactus Jack seemed cool as a kid but stopped paying attention to fake wrestling nonsense for years. I got back into it later and found out that he was now a guy that wore a leather mask and a shirt and tie for no discernable reason, and this seemed totally fine.
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C. Everett Koop posted:At least he did that. Foley just yelled spots in the middle of all his other incoherent yelling. Never heard that, unless a clothesline is called Aht Daht Chow Chow
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