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I was recently stranded in Amsterdam for 13 hours after missing a connecting flight, then had another 12 hour flight from there - basically 48 hours without sleep, during which I binged the hell out of Nona. It's kind of a trend, I see. When the narrative said Nona despised having hands, I knew precisely who and what she was and felt pretty smart about it but there were more and better clues earlier that I just didn't bite on. Gideon will straight up simp for anyone that gives her the slightest amount of positive attention. Honestly to me that's her most vital character trait and it's something that's reflected in Nona too. Kiriona meanwhile is apallingly toxic and entirely devoid of that. I gotta think that cheeseburger isn't fully digested if both Harrow and Nona can still interact with it. It's too awful to think Harrow went through all she did only to wind up permanently robbing Nav of the good parts of her and leaving her some spiteful warmonger. Edit: Also the part where Nona goes Nona Time on the BoE hit squad and a mystery voice from her mouth tells her, "Fool. You're killing her." Reclaimer fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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tiniestacorn posted:This was my read. I understand the impulse to do soul quantum stuff, but the simplest answer to "why is Gideon acting like this?" is that she's suffered a tremendous number of serious traumas in short succession -- not to mention the baggage she's already carrying from her childhood in the Ninth -- and she's 19 years old. When in this particular series has the simplest answer ever been the right one?
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DoctorWhat posted:because undercutting character motivations and development (even in a negative direction) with "space god necromagic norted them" sucks Whatever happened, happened offscreen anyways. Last we see of Gideon she's literally willing to die rather than promise loyalty to the Emperor, and she's threatening to tear Ianthe's whole rear end off. disposablewords posted:Hot Sauce's name. gently caress, that's true.
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sebmojo posted:She just really likes hot sauce https://twitter.com/ellieight_/status/1575964618081521664
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Everyone posted:It especially doesn't make a lot of sense given that the next time we meet Gideon Nav in Nona she's introducing herself as Prince Kiriona Gaia, Heir to the Emperor Undying + a bunch of other fancified titles. It's almost like Kiriona is not exactly Gideon anymore, and even has a different name to demarcate it. She's just the fries and the toy left in the box; the cheeseburger's still in Harrow and we can only speculate as to its status. Edit: Bonus content 
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DoctorWhat posted:Harrow damages her brain's ability to remember Gideon. Like how antibodies have to remember a virus's code, Harrow can't digest Gideon if she doesn't have the right enzymes. Harrow's eyes are black when Alecto revives her, she bleeds all over the place and passes out from six months of eating rocks and pen caps. You're probably right.
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Danhenge posted:I have a pet theory about Lyctorhood that I'm rolling around in my head, spoilers for some stuff from Nona but also earlier books. Hell, maybe the ghosts in the river are so hostile because they can remember that John loving killed everyone.
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Oct 9, 2022 22:28
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Re-listening to HtN with a friend it's striking how much Abigail and Magnus are talking out of their asses after the Nonius/Wake duel. Like they're well-meaning but they're totally out of their element and don't know all the details, and they ought to to be aware that they don't.
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Hargrimm posted:Did it? See, this and the way Nona is so incredibly thirsty for Every Girl.
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cptn_dr posted:I still don't buy it, it seems like it should be an all or nothing kind of deal and she very clearly doesn't translate eg. Camilla or SexPal or Kiriona. His name is Gideon and Nona's Harrowbrain is still hosed up. She's getting it as Ortus. Edit: Ortus is Latin for Rise or Birth or Dawn. Reclaimer fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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I read through the series first before listening to the audiobooks with my girlfriend and Nona really benefits from Mo Quirk doing different voices for all the characters.
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Pollyanna posted:Alright yeah, so then a lot of stuff just completely went over my head. I recall that Harrow was haunted/possessed by the Body and the Body was Alecto, but I guess I missed the part where Alecto woke up instead of Harrow. Hard for the narrative to go where it went otherwise, I suppose. "I realised with exhausted indignation that, at the end of everything—after all I had been through—after the last word, the last strike, the last drop of blood in the water—your bullshit dead girlfriend had come to claim you."
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Pollyanna posted:jesus loving christ ive been confusing taika waititi with jason mantzoukas. omg jason mantzoukas as john tho
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Harold Fjord posted:Honesty and hot sauce actually named Frank and Franks. Franky, Kevin, Gideon, Rubin and of course lil Frank's RedHot
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Senerio posted:I love this series because you can torment other people who have read it by making jokes in front of people currently reading it. Gideon Harrow Nona Reclaimer fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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sebmojo posted:It's worth reading Gideon's interactions with Nona very carefully, they're not actually as mean as they feel on first read? Like Nona says, Gideon is just incredibly, unbelievably sad. "Chill." Reclaimer fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 11, 2022 |
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StumblyWumbly posted:I'm not sure what you're referring to. What I'm talking about is that Alecto was the soul of the planet and John merged with her / ate her / Lyctored. The RBs are more like revenants, John accidentally killed them and now they want revenge.
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Qwertycoatl posted:I think probably not. I may be off base but I thought the others thought John had One Weird Trick to keep his cavailier alive but actually it was "just" that he used a planet rather than a person (and so a soul too big to fully eat) I think that you're right in general, but also they didn't know Alecto was his cavalier until they met Gideon and pieced it together - the real, juicy secret there's that he unilaterally enacted the Apocalypse.
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They're all hell years now, but at least the meme engine keeps chuggin along https://twitter.com/kyotosparty/status/1586798843764477954
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M_Gargantua posted:Ianthe isn't the problem, she's just the worst. true, but well someone else already said it best  bonus since im here 
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John is very complicated but you do not, under any circumstances, gotta hand it to him.
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I mean, who has the monopoly on telling that whole story? A 10,000 year-old Twitch streamer who lies like he breathes and calls himself loving God.
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Zierham posted:Also, did I miss something about why (GtN Spoiler) Gideon apparently despises the Fourth House teens in GtN? Like is it just jokey "TEENS SUCK" energy (from a nearly-teen herself) or is there something about them that is lovely? They're referred to pejoratively throughout GtN without any real explanation other than the Fourth House seems kinda obsessed with suicide-by-necrowar and - again - they're teens. I'm in my 30s so if its just meant to be "ugh, TEENAGERS" then that's fine, but making sure I didn't miss something else? Obviously Gideon seems to care for them by the time they get boned later in GtN, but I still couldn't really understand the "awful teens" lingo throughout...? The only teenager that Gideon has ever known in her entire life is Harrowhark.
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Everyone posted:And it's not really about saving the Nine Houses. It's about saving every man, woman and child that lives in the system, which as far as we can tell contains the large majority of what is now human civilization. Saving Jod at that point isn't about supporting him or approving of his action (though presumably Ianthe does both of those things). It's about keeping most of the rest of the human species alive. I mean, it's more explicit later but most of the human species is not in fact in the Nine Houses, but spread out across the universe living under the promise of aggression by the Nine Houses. Getting rid of the Nine=liberation from the genocidal oppression of Immortal Magic Elon Musk. The Cohort are literal jackbooted thugs and for the most part the Houses exist to feed that war machine.
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Zierham posted:But this just means all 200 of her peers hated and bullied her Ortus was barely too old.
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M_Gargantua posted:Out of 201 under the age of 19 the survivors were Gideon (just shy of age 2) and "one older boy". Ortus would have been 17 at the time so it's probably him they're referring too. Ortus is 35 in GtN isn't he? And Gideon is 18, making him 17 years older. If Gideon was 2 then Ortus was 19.
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sebmojo posted:Māori and Asian (e.g Chinese/Japanese/vietnamese) are both ~17% of nz roughly Is Wake from one of the Houses or is she descended from one of the Elon Musk-types that escaped John's tantrum?
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Everyone posted:The thing about the trillionaires is that they weren't going to be trillionaires once they reached habitable planets. They didn't, like, isekai into Rust. They had fully-equipped space ships full of, presumably, advanced technology and freeze-dried astronaut rations or whatever. The rich would've still been the most wealthy in terms of material goods, unless the laborers mounted a revolution and took it all by force.
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sebmojo posted:Silas Vanilla Thinshake *Mayonnaise
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Happy Landfill posted:Please someone tell be there's a Griddlehark version of this https://twitter.com/candied_corpses/status/1662113790094376960 https://twitter.com/serhawke/status/1662122873882923010
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Couldn't find one with the Tridentarii but you know I don't wanna leave you empty handed. https://twitter.com/PhiaCos/status/1578198570964234245
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The Ninth is just a prison for Alecto. It's unclear how much the Eighth would know about that at the time though. Cristabel's the nun, and that's also why everyone hated her; she had a fanatical nun personality. John mentions that when he had to make a vessel for Alecto, all he could think about was a Hollywood Hair Barbie he used to play with as a child (Not Hollywood Hair Ken, though, that guy's a creep). This is shortly after he kills everyone. The choice is whether or not to accept Gideon's sacrifice. Almost everything she does in HtN is with the goal of not letting Gideon be absorbed into her, even if she doesn't realize it at the time. It works! But they both die anyways.
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I think Anastasia knew that John had hosed her and Samael over on purpose.
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She said in an interview that her kids hate when she does voices while reading them bedtime stories.
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silvergoose posted:Literally every question you have in Harrow has a spoilery answer, or "we don't know yet, wait for Alecto" it's great Harrow really is the best, her voice comes through as such a spidery creeper. Like she sounds like the sinister advisor of some king who's trying to turn him against the heroes for nefarious purposes.
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"What in the world" indeed
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silvergoose posted:One of the best run on sentences I've ever read. And she doesn't even know it's her mom at the steering wheel yet.
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Then we get into the billions of souls he's just keeping in his back pocket for a rainy day, gee wonder if keeping souls in cold storage for millennia does something bad to them and that's why the Ninth is infested with hellworms after getting a fresh batch of resurrecteds.
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Saraiguma posted:life on return to battle of the planet of the billionaires in Nona doesn't really seem like roses and sunshine either tbh That planet's currently occupied by the Cohort and is suffering from overcrowding and scarcity due to a refugee crisis caused by the imperialists murdering liveable planets with death magic, not fair to pin that on the people. We haven't really seen how their society might work when they're not embroiled in a forever war with a narcissistic Twitch streamer.
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