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Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Did Google ever fix that nest issue of them getting stuck active and neverending screaming?

I've got 5 of them for 3 years and that's never happened. They've already (potentially) saved our lives once from carbon monoxide so cheers to them I say.

The only issue is the notification that they're about to self-test themselves has started coming after the self-test has already gone off.
Useful!

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Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
How airtight is this thing going to be anyway? Do you need one of them whole-house ventilation deals?

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

How wide is this carport? Looks like getting out of the car is going to be extremely tight

That was more what I was thinking about than the lack of door. What do people in the UK drive anyway, even a Renault Clio is not too far off 6 feet wide. I am rather skeptical.

Maybe you can store some blocks in there.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
My takeaway is that houses are built extremely differently over there than in (most of) north america. I haven't seen half of this stuff or methods before.
On the other hand I've mostly seen the innards of older houses (80+ years or so) so it could be different. I mean, I've never even seen a block-construction house since literally everything is wood-frame here. Quite weird to see.

This monstrosity looks most akin to the high velocity ventilation I've seen although the hosing seems somewhat different.

I suppose the burning question is if this is UK-style construction or specifically NJAN-style construction.

Fidelitious fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Apr 20, 2023

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

WhatEvil posted:

I used to think that the US-style of building houses (timber frame, forced-air heating) was poo poo, but since moving to Canada, I've come around to it. It seems much less intimidating to make modifications to your house with timber frame stuff, for one thing. You've got all cavities everywhere that you can cut into and gently caress around with easily. I even cut a hole fully through my house wall to install a catflap and it was really really easy.

One bad thing about the American style though is that they view exterior finishes as like, perishable? IDK they do asphalt roofs here (like roofing felt, except rather than a continuous roll, they're separate tiles/shingles lapped over each other in the same way that slate/clay/whatever tiles are) and it's assumed that you'll just get your whole roof re-covered every 10-15 years which costs like $5-10k depending on how big your roof is. Similarly siding - most houses around where I am at least seem to have vinyl siding which is cheap as far as materials go, but also degrades and looks pretty shite after ~20 years. Again to replace that you're looking at $10-20k if you get a contractor to do it.

I'd say "I don't understand" why they don't just like, make poo poo that'll last... but I think it's just to save builders money in the first instance of building the house.

Ah hello, I am also in Ottawa.

To be fair I still think that central forced-air HVAC is poo poo after being in Canada my whole life. A brand-new install by someone who does it right is probably pretty good but older stuff is just gigantic ducts taking up space in the walls everywhere and leaking air all over the place that you've paid good money to heat or cool. And good luck trying to balance the distribution across multiple floors and rooms in different seasons. And you'll probably be wastefully conditioning 100% of the house at all times because zoning is not much of a thing.

I'm definitely on board with the timber framing and all the useful empty spaces it gives you.

My assumption about the roofing and cladding materials is the extreme cost difference. We could probably replace our roof 4 times for the cost of a metal or tile roof and that's on the assumption that you're staying in the house long enough for that to happen.
As far as siding goes, modern 'premium' vinyl can last an extremely long time without much degradation these days while being wind-resistant, scratch-proof, maintenance-free (almost), aesthetically pleasing, and still quite cheap. It's a pretty hard sell to go for any other material.

I have an old house for these parts (160 this year!) so our foundation is field stones and our siding is wood. The siding needs to be replaced soon-ish and going for actual wood is just expensive as hell.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I think the main benefit of these blocks is that you can easily carve channels into them with a butter knife.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

~Coxy posted:

Running multiple drops of Cat6 to each room and avoiding lovely dumb hubs hanging off the wall is absolutely the correct decision.

I really don't think anyone is suggesting hanging switches on interior walls, but having switches in utility spaces as close as possible to the area that they'll serve.
Either way, no one needs this much ethernet.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Yep, they've got similar issues happening around here. Homes in areas where the storm drains are getting the most overloaded are getting incentives from the city for things like rain gardens or otherwise redirecting drainage onto permeable ground. Not sure if they're funding dry wells or anything.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Ready for the moss wall or floor or whatever the gently caress it was.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

cheap locks in



I understand this is a low security application but I didn't know that they even still made warded locks. Is it actually cheaper than a cheap pin-tumbler?

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Leperflesh posted:

today I learned that in england, electrics involve "glands"

I'm glad that I'm not the only one that did a double-take upon seeing "gland pack"

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
As a Canadian who used a bunch of cedar in our backyard, I have rarely seen a cedar plank so red like that before. I swear they picked out the reddest one they could find for some reason.

It's much more common to have 'normal' looking planks in a wide variations of brown with red undertones, some are barely red at all.

In any case yeah, they're all going to be grey in a year anyhow unless you spent an annoying amount of time protecting them.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Jaded Burnout posted:

I understand the principle and the general benefit, but it seems just from this one case to be a huge amount of cost and effort and variance from the norm for a fairly temperate climate. Like I get it for Texas or Norway.

I read an article about the PassivHaus standard from Building Science and some of its requirements/recommendations are...interesting to say the least and are probably not doable in a colder climate like Norway. Some required design limitations were put in place in the 80s when construction science and materials were not what we have now so there's things like worries about condensation in super-airtight homes that are not an issue anymore but still are part of the PH standard.

It's also very euro-centric and does not even consider some things that are more common in north america like floor-based heating and such.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

vanity slug posted:

is modular housing even a thing? like i know there's lots of prefab stuff but actual modular housing seemed to be that one gimmick hotel in tokyo (where else) and not much else

This might be a confusion of terms or something because for me modular housing IS prefab stuff. Modular parts of a house built in a "house factory" which can then be assembled on site in a matter of days.

It's not super widespread but it's not really uncommon either. A number of cities in Canada have used them as a method to fill temporary housing needs for homeless since they're pretty cheap.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Sadly, Munger Hall is still very much planned. The campus architect resigned in protest in 2021 (read it, the interview's great). In December 2022 a a UCSD committee released a report calling out major shortfallings in design (health and safety risks) and Munger had a shitfit. Currently all plans are on hold while UCSB waits for Munger to come back with design changes.

Not canceled yet. We're all hoping hard.

e: Summary of some of the highlights of the Munger Report.

Isn't he that incredibly old bastard in with Warren Buffett? Just delay a few years and he'll be dead no problem.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Leperflesh posted:

assumed 60 year life expectancy of a building? what in the world?

Yeah, not very bold are they.

Even in young north american cities piles of houses are older than 60 years and they are not anywhere near end of life.
This is what happens when you don't have old growth forests to build houses out of and decide to make blocks out of air.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Jaded Burnout posted:

Even with the best intentions and materials brick will blow and mortar will soften over a hundred years. Is that a “house stays up” service life or a “materials will stand up to remodelling” service life?

Those specific fallen over buildings notwithstanding (lol).

I think piles of rocks hold up fairly well.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

With the cladding here need to have an eye on that as, whilst I know we're in a heatwave right now, within a couple of days its bound to be heavy rains and wintery conditions.

Need to figure out how to batten out the outer blockwork walls such that I can hang all that cladding off it.

Straightaway blow out a block



Yeah, can't say I would have recommended trying to drill and place plugs like 1mm from the edge of the block. And I'm not even a blockman.
Does give you a nice view of the aerated bubbly interior of the block. Very aero bar.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I always forget that some places have like actual decisions to be made on things like power suppliers. Right now it's the Hydro company owned by the city and before we moved it was the Hydro company owned by the province.

Sure simplifies things.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Country-wide hydroelectric power supplies 60% of Canada's power. In areas where the provider name has Hydro in it that percentage is usually significantly higher even than that.

It makes perfect sense.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
If you can't see it, it's not a problem is my motto.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
It's only when you start doing renovations (or self-building a house I suppose) that you come to the realization that every house is a pile of crap held together by shims and scrap material that looks nice in the end because it's quite easy to cover everything over with nice trim.

There is potentially a perfect house out there somewhere. Designed and built by some kind of renaissance man with an obsession for perfection that did literally every bit themselves. Excluding that, every home is built at least partially by paying some lads to do some poo poo that you don't want to do and it's simply not possible to pay someone enough to CARE in the same way that an owner might. You would need to supervise them 100% of the time and have the fortitude to point out and make them redo anything you don't like. Which also might just make them quit.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Mate, I think that's a house now.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Epitope posted:

This may be more of a philosophical question, but is cladding of masonry just aesthetic? Like with stick frame, you have plywood sheathing which is structural and needs weather protection. In theory could you just paint your blocks?

A quick looks says yes, you can use even aerated blockwork as external but you still need to render on top of it to protect them.
And I'd say that wood cladding is much nicer looking than sandy cement as a cover.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I get the sentiment but I'd avoid real wood siding if at all possible because it looks very nice but it's a pain in the rear end.

I've watched enough This Old House to decide that PVC is the way to go if you get the quality stuff.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Wasn't Musk supposed to be making modular solar roof tiles at one point? It's the one good idea he's had, which is probably why it never materialised.

They do exist and have been installed, but it's a pretty low numbers game for that kind of thing.
It's an idea that certainly seems good but it's really expensive to install solar tiles. I don't think Tesla's are any worse than competitors (except for wind rating) it's just a very luxury product.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
I believe they mean nesting in the actual eaves not that there's holes into the house there. I wouldn't be too concerned about it though.
Our old neighbourhood with mostly mid 19th-century housing had a pile of houses with wooden soffits. They inevitably rot and soften up a little and then the birds gouge holes in it and make themselves an excellent nest.

Without non-organic soffits it seems nests are inevitable.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
At a certain point you have to give in though and have someone who knows what they're doing tell you what's up.

Especially water stuff.

Electrical will kill you but at least it doesn't have pressure and backflow, it doesn't slowly leak out of wires and rot your house away, and it doesn't come up out of the ground or sideways through your foundation,.
And a 10-year old can connect wires together, none of this brazing poo poo or dealing with 70 year old cast iron plumbing stacks buried in a concrete slab.

Water was a mistake.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Seconding that it is an awful idea to jam your heat pump in there like that. The space behind it is probably fine but it's exhausting straight at a fence. You absolutely need at least 1.5 metres in front of it and more is better. It's going to recirculate the air that it's just extracted heat from and try to extract even more heat from it.

If it doesn't fit in there sideways it would be better to find another location.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Yeah, there's got to be zero chance that anything useful happens on this first go-round, or probably the next 3 either.

They're definitely assuming that there's some fibre distribution box on a pole in a straight-line of like 20 feet that they'll just string through the air and stick through a hole anywhere they feel like and then it's your problem.

Telecoms aren't prepared for techno-wizardry like "conduit" or "data cabinet" in residential installs.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
So what is it that makes mitered joins like that so difficult.

Naively, one would look at it, and see, cut 45 degrees, cut 45 degrees, stick'em together.
I assume you need a fancy saw blade and not some ripping grade one.

Is it mostly about getting all the joins lining up correctly? Since you don't really get much of a 2nd chance to fix it if you do it wrong.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Are buffer tanks even real?

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
We have a tiny under-sink water heater that goes to a special "this is fuckin' hot" tap. Didn't put it there but useful for instant hot water for tea.

Also I think you were living in some kind of illegal tenement.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Not having enough fibre seems completely wonky to me.
Even a reel with hundreds of meters of fibre on it would barely take up any room.

I'm pretty sure he just didn't want to do it.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Well that's pretty dire.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Wonder if this is more of a UK tendency.

Guy came to install fibre at our old house and just casually drilled through our 160-year old foundation which was like 3 feet of stone because he had diamond-tipped bits on hand. I also saw that he had an entire spool of fibre.
No issue.

Or I just got lucky.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Absolute mad lads, actually sending (almost) what you've ordered.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Also here in Ottawa with a heat pump for winter for the first time.
It hasn't been particularly cold yet, I think -14 C so far? Absolutely no issues.

It of course costs significantly more than gas heating like we had in our old home but this house has no gas service and I don't want it, so there you go.

Our heat pump has no built-in heating backup because the house already had baseboard electric heaters that we just kept to be the backup. I'm curious to see if we'll ever need to turn them on.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Failed Imagineer posted:

hosed up. I think heat pumps are like 5x cheaper than gas in Europe but idk

I checked gas rates and unless I've hosed up the therm -> cubic meter conversion it looks like the average UK price is about 2.8x more expensive than here.

I'd also say that our house is from the 50s and not the best insulated thing in the world. I have to get around to sealing all the drafts now that I've found my thermal camera.

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Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Would the opposite be a problem though? i.e. Would a pump designed for colder temps struggle in 30° summer?

No, cooling is much easier than heating. It's a lot easier to dump heat into even 35 C than to extract heat from -15 C.
Heat pumps are 'rated' by their heat numbers because the cooling will always be more efficient.

For example mine can reach COP of almost 4 when cooling at max capacity at 35 C.
When heating at -25 C max capacity the COP drops to 1.5. They don't provide the numbers but I'm assuming it's barely better than baseboard electric at -30 or lower.

Conveniently I live somewhere that can hit both of those temperatures.

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