thespaceinvader posted:

A couple of answers/questions: P1P1 I looked pretty hard at Glamer but the sword is useful enough that the mythic draft made sense to me at the time. Assassin P2P3 was because I felt super light on removal, and Coyote ain't that, but it was my next pick after Assassin. P2p7 Tinybones Joins Up is 1 mana for a crime it seems fine, especially with some of the double spell payoffs? But also partly a raredraft. What makes it unplayable? P3P4 was mostly the rest of the picks are mid and this gets me 20 gems because I already crafted the playset. I also had more doublespell than it looks like with the Plots.

I guess Akul was my big mistake but a 4 mana 5/5 flample is usually a pretty solid creature even if the other ability is basically unusable. The other thing that I did somehow miss though is that Stingerback doesn't have Haste like almost every big red dragon in almost every set usually does, and might have had me play differently in the games I did see it.

I also just kept coming up against people playing around Skullduggery effectively, which makes for a very annoying play pattern where I keep holding it to try to get the most out of it, when I could have just used it for a ping and drain and counter and kill a 1/1 but I hold it to try and get a kill out of it on something more useful - but the moment never quite comes because it's a pretty obvious card even when I'm covering up that I have it with an on-board mana sink.

thespaceinvader posted:

A couple of answers/questions: P1P1 I looked pretty hard at Glamer but the sword is useful enough that the mythic draft made sense to me at the time. Assassin P2P3 was because I felt super light on removal, and Coyote ain't that, but it was my next pick after Assassin. P2p7 Tinybones Joins Up is 1 mana for a crime it seems fine, especially with some of the double spell payoffs? But also partly a raredraft. What makes it unplayable? P3P4 was mostly the rest of the picks are mid and this gets me 20 gems because I already crafted the playset. I also had more doublespell than it looks like with the Plots.

I guess Akul was my big mistake but a 4 mana 5/5 flample is usually a pretty solid creature even if the other ability is basically unusable. The other thing that I did somehow miss though is that Stingerback doesn't have Haste like almost every big red dragon in almost every set usually does, and might have had me play differently in the games I did see it.

I also just kept coming up against people playing around Skullduggery effectively, which makes for a very annoying play pattern where I keep holding it to try to get the most out of it, when I could have just used it for a ping and drain and counter and kill a 1/1 but I hold it to try and get a kill out of it on something more useful - but the moment never quite comes because it's a pretty obvious card even when I'm covering up that I have it with an on-board mana sink.

Justin_Brett posted:

I also really could have just killed both his creatures in game 1 before going down to 1, that felt like the way bigger deal since I would have been fine after I got the ogre in play. Game 3 there I think I was imagining getting blown out worse than that somehow, I dunno.

Simply Simon posted:

P1P1 I get it, it's tempting, and maybe I'd have tried it too. I didn't check the games - did it do anything? If not, why? Are you less inclined to pick it if you open it up again? Knowing this now would be a great result of this as an experiment

P2P3 Assassin I've found is very easy to see coming for many opps, or rather they see anything coming - there's so much removal and other tricks (actually, not that many tricks per se...but you get my point) around that people will almost never block a 2/2 you attack into their 5/5 or whatever. On the defense, it's much worse like any trick on defense - e.g. you block with a 1/1 on their 7/7, then flash in the Assassin, they just counter it because they have all mana open. Or they see you chump their 5/5 with a 2/3 instead of double-blocking with it and a 3/3 while you're at 17, go "wait a minute" and Take the Fall your 2/3 so your Assassin doesn't do anything. You've seen yourself how well people play around Skulduggery already.

P2P7 You don't want to spend a card just to commit a crime. You don't really have that many double-spell payoffs, so again it's not worth a card (it rarely is, which is why UR performs so badly). If you can't make them discard late, it's complete rear end. The stats are truly abysmal!

Akul: yeah it's solid but it's not a high pick if you have an actual 3-for-1 blowout card as alternative. There's lot of cards in this set where you look at them and go "wow that's big/efficient/if I untap with it..." but for a slam dunk always gonna play that informs my deck's colors rare, that's simply not enough. Akul gets ridiculously clowned on by any G deck that can easily Throw it from a Saddle, block it with an Armadillo or Spider, remove it with its secondary color (B or W), or simply force you to block with it as they attack with a 5/4 that gained them 3 life. And that is again presuming that you can even cast it with its BBRR casting cost. You need to think more about how good the flashy rare actually is and how much it warps your deck - at any point in the draft. Like, Bonny Pall is an absolutely insane card that I always want to play if at all possible, the UU is tough sometimes but unless I'm completely out of her two colors I'm taking her in P3, and I'm probably always taking her P2 and ofc P1. Roxanne is in a similar camp. Bruse Tarl, maybe (not quiiiite as strong). And both of the latter are single-pipped for their two colors.

babypolis posted:

Im kinda surprised by the terrible stats on sword, its a clunky card for sure but it also has lots of upside and has worked well for me in the right decks. I guess too much removal makes it too easy to get blow out on equip?

Justin_Brett posted:

e: aw poo poo Theros and Ikoria coming up, hell yeah

NihilCredo posted:

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Simply Simon posted:

Anyway, I started an OTJ Premier

https://www.17lands.com/draft/3d6ea1c1379f4f3291117e4cb5ef0917

Simply Simon posted:

Is the upside even that high? First of all, it doesn't protect from a color, so you have just the +2/+2 to enable attacks - that might not be enough. Then if it connects, the first upside is a treasure (well, nice, but not amazing), and for the second, you actually need to have a spell worth copying. If that's a hard removal, sure, amazing. If you have a Take the Fall and a Counterspell in hand, hm. Skulduggery after attacks? Hmmm

kalel posted:

might get more people to offer build advice if you save the decks as is and export them to sealeddeck.tech

Time posted:

for those asking what the good dimir deck looks like, this is it. I was looking for a splash but it came together to be the perfect tempo deck. I just hosed up their board early then ended the game in the air quickly while removing any blockers like an armadillo or cactus. what was on the ground ended up not mattering as the clock was too fast and I could chump with shitters and take the fall their guys into a rattleback for a clean 2 for 1 and 3 easy life. 7-0

Time posted:

for those asking what the good dimir deck looks like, this is it. I was looking for a splash but it came together to be the perfect tempo deck. I just hosed up their board early then ended the game in the air quickly while removing any blockers like an armadillo or cactus. what was on the ground ended up not mattering as the clock was too fast and i could chump with shitters and take the fall their guys into a rattleback for a clean 2 for 1 and 3 easy life. 7-0

Lone Goat posted:

Linkbreaker seems so weird here, I keep looking for Lively Dirge and can't find it.

Justin_Brett posted:

Lively Dirge into Linkbreaker and the sac to draw two guy felt so good the one time I had them all. Dunno if there's any other good combinations though.

Boco_T posted:

I went 3-0 with Caves

Deck

Time posted:

no synergy at all - would have been the easy cut if I had any other creature. as it was, it was mostly 1 mana gain 8 life while I raced which was nice enough. plat opponents though, would look to replace it in the future.