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Otto Skorzeny posted:can matlab really be said to have best practices? the objective best practice is to not use matlab how else am i going to get these dsp filters into my thingy 
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Sulk posted:Python isn't a better option than Java for an intro course, so that's a bad decision on their part. shut the gently caress up sulk
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May 21, 2012 07:43
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:shut the gently caress up sulk Nope
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May 21, 2012 07:46
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:maybe "software engineering" conveys too strong of an idea for you yes. cf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9AIUT9nos
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May 21, 2012 07:48
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Sulk posted:Python isn't a better option than Java for an intro course, so that's a bad decision on their part. It's a required course for all engineers and Python syntax is easier so  Anyone that needs to continue in programming will use Java in the next class anyway (Then Ocaml, then whatever is needed for the class you're in)
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May 21, 2012 08:07
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rotor posted:some day software engineering will be actual engineering but not any time soon.
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May 21, 2012 09:52
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Markov Chain Chomp posted:if you want this shtick to be believable you have to at least call him out on saying fixed width fonts are bad pretty sure he meant fixed screen/line width, not fonts
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May 21, 2012 13:21
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Gogey posted:It's a required course for all engineers and Python syntax is easier so python syntax is terrible and python is terrible. using it as an intro language is bad enough but why even bother if they're switching to a real language the very next class?
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May 21, 2012 13:24
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Sulk posted:pee pee doo doo raus
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Shaggar posted:python syntax is terrible and python is terrible. using it as an intro language is bad enough but why even bother if they're switching to a real language the very next class? i think its a rule that all Intro to Programming classes have to use a completely retarded language. in my day it was either pascal or modula-2 depending on which crusty greybeard teacher you got. then they switched to vb6 which is even stupider
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May 21, 2012 13:43
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Sulk posted:Python isn't a better option than Java for an intro course, so that's a bad decision on their part. yeah, but when you think about it, its a much better option than Java for an intro course, so it's actually a good decision on their part
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May 21, 2012 14:00
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Sweevo posted:i think its a rule that all Intro to Programming classes have to use a completely retarded language. in my day it was either pascal or modula-2 depending on which crusty greybeard teacher you got. then they switched to vb6 which is even stupider c++ when i took ap cs its just mean, bc after 2 semesters you can barely know any of the language even though you feel like youve really learned stuff
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May 21, 2012 14:03
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Ridgely_Fan posted:c++ when i took ap cs the language in the ap exam i took didn't really matter so much as the algorithms they asked me to implement. from what i remember, syntax errors were not really graded (unless they were egregious) since they knew that writing a computer program on paper is kind of a bullshit task.
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May 21, 2012 14:18
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Ridgely_Fan posted:c++ when i took ap cs e: now that i think about it it might have been quickbasic instead Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 15:12 on May 21, 2012 |
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May 21, 2012 14:29
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Sweevo posted:i think its a rule that all Intro to Programming classes have to use a completely retarded language. at least python has a repl
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May 21, 2012 14:30
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i mean sure i knew what strings were in basic but it was a sign that the guy didn't really care whether anyone learned or not
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May 21, 2012 14:32
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Ridgely_Fan posted:yeah, but when you think about it yeah but it is sulk
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May 21, 2012 14:53
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teaching java first leads to a common affliction known as 'public void static' disease in new programmers. it is often terminal
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May 21, 2012 14:54
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i think cs professors are bad at teaching coding the same as most math professors are bad at teaching basic calc like they spend all day working on compiler theory or machine learning or what have you, they never think about how to teach someone whats an array or whats a string
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May 21, 2012 14:58
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they spend all day teaching people how to tell when a quick sort is more efficient than a merge sort but not how to refactor or why 'int a = ProcessStuff();' is bad code then a bunch of cs grads go out and reuse temporary variables all over the place to ~save bytes~ and the result is an unreadable loving mess it's impossible to work with
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May 21, 2012 15:14
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Ridgely_Fan posted:i think cs professors are bad at teaching coding the same as most math professors are bad at teaching basic calc well you have to go extra slow in an Intro class because there's always one middle-aged woman in the class for some inexplicable reason, who is incapable of ever understanding what a variable is, and has to have loops re-explained to her using a tortured analogy every week
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May 21, 2012 15:18
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Sweevo posted:well you have to go extra slow in an Intro class because there's always one middle-aged woman in the class for some inexplicable reason,
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May 21, 2012 15:23
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Char posted:they spend all day teaching people how to tell when a quick sort is more efficient than a merge sort but not how to refactor or why 'int a = ProcessStuff();' is bad code but on a micro controller you have little memory therefore
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May 21, 2012 18:13
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Sulk posted:Python isn't a better option than Java for an intro course, so that's a bad decision on their part. Should be C++, that way you really get rid of people quickly
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Char posted:they spend all day teaching people how to tell when a quick sort is more efficient than a merge sort but not how to refactor or why 'int a = ProcessStuff();' is bad code If I have to say one nice thing about the old professor, it's that he would make you redo your project if you didn't use reasonably clear variable names and nice style It's like, barebones intro CS course for the sake of Engineering Distributions, not some core course for the major. It could be taught in any language so gently caress java who uses {} anymore its time for WHITESPACE
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May 21, 2012 19:55
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ahhh spiders posted:it's not fair to generalize i guess. but it makes it really easy for me to dismiss people because i ahte them all! ALL OF THEM GAHAHAHA hey can't we all just get along
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May 22, 2012 05:07
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tef posted:teaching java first leads to a common affliction known as 'public void static' disease in new programmers. it is often terminal public void static sounds like the most 90's EBM album
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May 22, 2012 06:49
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Gogey posted:Ocaml  isn't the point of engineer school to learn practical skills
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May 22, 2012 18:24
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Internaut! posted:
It's our functional programming & data structures class. I know nothing about OCaml, but I know it's the class that makes a bunch of people drop the major 
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May 22, 2012 19:00
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Gogey posted:It's our functional programming & data structures class. I know nothing about OCaml, but I know it's the class that makes a bunch of people drop the major sounds like the same whiny bitches who asked "why are we using this scheme/ml/prolog poo poo when we already know c++???" in my programming language concepts class
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May 22, 2012 19:14
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Sweevo posted:well you have to go extra slow in an Intro class because there's always one middle-aged woman in the class for some inexplicable reason, who is incapable of ever understanding what a variable is, and has to have loops re-explained to her using a tortured analogy every week why is this always true? always. every loving time. GO HOME AND BAKE SOMETHING WOMAN YOUR LIFE IS DEVOID OF MEANING.
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Werthog posted:sounds like the same whiny bitches who asked "why are we using this scheme/ml/prolog poo poo when we already know c++???" in my programming language concepts class is your class offered within the context of a science degree, or an engineering degree
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May 22, 2012 19:43
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Morkai posted:why is this always true? always. every loving time. GO HOME AND BAKE SOMETHING WOMAN YOUR LIFE IS DEVOID OF MEANING.
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May 22, 2012 19:45
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Gazpacho posted:it's you, you are the patriarchy no, not all women. just the ones that insist on inflicting their mid-life crisis on me in this way.
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that woman is an agent of the matriarchy. her HR job has been deprecated so they sent her to slow down future progress. if there are young, smart women in the class you can be guaranteed the matriarchy will do their best to stop them from moving forward.
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replace teh patriarchy with a catriarchy, jobbe donne.
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Internaut! posted:is your class offered within the context of a science degree, or an engineering degree computer science. i was a comp. eng. and didn't have to take it but i did anyway because it was fun
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Internaut! posted:is your class offered within the context of a science degree, or an engineering degree The only difference between our Arts CS Degree and Eng. CS is the core. Eng has to take multivariable and physics (+ some intro engineering/stats stuff), Arts has those as whatever credits. So the B.A. CS students take that class too. edit: oh yeah this is just CS in eng school, there's electrical and computer engineering as a different major. Werthog posted:sounds like the same whiny bitches who asked "why are we using this scheme/ml/prolog poo poo when we already know c++???" in my programming language concepts class It gets dropped because it's known to be one of the hardest classes in the major (along with the Operating Systems practicum), not because "a bloo bloo language." Anyway, the K&R C textbook is amazing. Any others like this (preferably php because its the best (better than lua))?
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May 22, 2012 20:08
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Gogey posted:The only difference between our Arts CS Degree and Eng. CS is the core. Eng has to take multivariable and physics (+ some intro engineering/stats stuff), Arts has those as whatever credits. So the B.A. CS students take that class too. how the gently caress is CS an "art"
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Werthog posted:how the gently caress is CS an "art" :(){:|:;};: fin
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