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Werthog posted:how the gently caress is CS an "art" http://utf-8.jp/public/aaencode.html school of arts & sciences gives out bachelors of arts (they give out both for CS at brown too)
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Werthog posted:sounds like the same whiny bitches who asked "why are we using this scheme/ml/prolog poo poo when we already know c++???" in my programming language concepts class I remember our take home final in that class was to solve 50 problems in scheme, ml and prolog. That poo poo loving owned.
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May 22, 2012 20:19
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Internaut! posted:
have you spent much time in conversation with the results of an engineering school? i mean if you want to talk to them about mechanics or computer thing, great. just don't ever ever ever ever ever bring discussions about anything else up or this is what happens. EMILY BLUNTS fucked around with this message at 20:30 on May 22, 2012 |
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Gogey posted:http://utf-8.jp/public/aaencode.html MEAT TREAT posted:I remember our take home final in that class was to solve 50 problems in scheme, ml and prolog. That poo poo loving owned. 
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May 22, 2012 20:32
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Resplendent Spiral posted:have you spent much time in conversation with the results of an engineering school? bingo computer engineering people are all about the androids because "the intersection of technology and liberal arts" is yet another intersection they don't want to be at rather be at the intersection of technology and animes
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May 22, 2012 20:37
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BonzoESC posted:bingo one of my favorite classes i ever took was how technology influences the way people communicate, we covered stuff like why people still say 'hi this is X' even though caller ID makes it pointless (it's to make sure that the other person can hear you and can respond)
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May 22, 2012 20:42
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Gazpacho posted:its because a computer took her job hth
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May 22, 2012 20:46
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the failure to "get" computer science's dependence on abstract math and the importance of having a good math background before going into CS is not exclusive to "non-traditional" students btw and when i went through engineering school it was (one) middle aged guy in every class not getting things so there
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May 22, 2012 20:50
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Gazpacho posted:or she got a divorce all the ones i met it was because they were a housewife for 20 years, then when the kids grew up and moved out they just wanted something to do and decided to get some eduction having got married at 17 and missed out. no problem with that. by why do they ALWAYS choose introduction of programming? when they clearly have no aptitude for programming and grind the class to a halt by making the tutor re-explain variables to them for 20 minutes every week
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May 22, 2012 20:51
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also when i went back for the CS degree it was me, i was the guy
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May 22, 2012 20:52
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yaoi prophet posted:one of my favorite classes i ever took was how technology influences the way people communicate, we covered stuff like why people still say 'hi this is X' even though caller ID makes it pointless (it's to make sure that the other person can hear you and can respond) i seem to remember david crystal's 'language and the internet' having some neat stuff to say about this kinda thing
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Resplendent Spiral posted:have you spent much time in conversation with the results of an engineering school? normally I wouldn't think it possible to turn an offhand comment about the practicality of an obscure programming language into a gbs-style derail about equality and yet here we are
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May 22, 2012 21:00
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Internaut! posted:normally I wouldn't think it possible to turn an offhand comment about the practicality of an obscure programming language into a gbs-style derail about equality yospos, bitch
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May 22, 2012 21:06
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Sweevo posted:all the ones i met it was because they were a housewife for 20 years, then when the kids grew up and moved out they just wanted something to do and decided to get some eduction having got married at 17 and missed out. no problem with that. probably because they figure computers are the big thing right now do if they can learn to program they'll be set also you don't notice the ones in other intro classes because you're not in them
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May 22, 2012 21:08
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Internaut! posted:normally I wouldn't think it possible to turn an offhand comment about the practicality of an obscure programming language into a gbs-style derail about equality basically he is saying that he is a woman, and you are scott adams 
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ugh all this schooltalk makes me want to post a small novel about how ridiculous my entire cs education was but nobody cares so ill just say this: my intro class did not feature any programming langauge at all, it did not even feature computers. only "pseudocode" written longhand on paper. and something called "structure charts" which im still not sure what they are (aside from pseudocode statements written inside little boxes) but they are definitely NOT flow charts which are evil.
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May 22, 2012 23:43
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JawnV6 posted:
love me some APL
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HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:ugh all this schooltalk makes me want to post a small novel about how ridiculous my entire cs education was but nobody cares so ill just say this: e: he actually made people recite. in a loving 20th century american university course Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 00:14 on May 23, 2012 |
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May 23, 2012 00:10
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tinselt0wn posted:love me some APL 
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May 23, 2012 00:11
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all languages are virtually the same, hth
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May 23, 2012 01:06
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Internaut! posted:
i got passed over for what seemed like a sweet finance sector job because i didn't know ocaml, ymmv
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Sweevo posted:by why do they ALWAYS choose introduction of programming? when they clearly have no aptitude for programming and grind the class to a halt by making the tutor re-explain variables to them for 20 minutes every week if the tutor doesnt politely ask them to come to office hours they are a bad tutor
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JawnV6 posted::(){:|:;};: | ceci n'est pas une pipe
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the coolest class i took was social implications of technology & we just watched koyaanisqatsi and sci fi movies
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univ. of edinburgh has the computer science ("informatics") building in the liberal arts campus and all the other engineering stuff way outside town in the science campus i think they have the right idea
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May 23, 2012 11:11
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rotor posted:i got passed over for what seemed like a sweet finance sector job because i didn't know ocaml, ymmv was it jane street, they're known for being very proud of their special snowflake tech which iirc in tyool 2005 was vb6
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Internaut! posted:was it jane street, they're known for being very proud of their special snowflake tech which iirc in tyool 2005 was vb6 i know a few people there and they seem to like it. ive thought once or twice about learning ocaml just to work there, but on the other hand... ocaml other terrible 'learn a language get a job' ideas include scala for working at foursquare
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speaking of which, internaut, which would you rather work at -- a proprietary trading type place (trading internal money to get the partners rich), or a mutual fund type place (trading on gramma's money and trying not force her to eat cat food during retirement)? i'm thinknig i'd almost lean toward the former. even though you're not doing the public any good, your ability to do the public serious damage is smaller
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Ridgely_Fan posted:i know a few people there and they seem to like it. ive thought once or twice about learning ocaml just to work there, but on the other hand... ocaml twitter uses scala too
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Ridgely_Fan posted:other terrible 'learn a language get a job' ideas include scala for working at foursquare eh twitter and tumblr are using scala pretty heavily too, it's pretty solid tech but yeah the language is pretty big for my taste Ridgely_Fan posted:speaking of which, internaut, which would you rather work at -- a proprietary trading type place (trading internal money to get the partners rich), or a mutual fund type place (trading on gramma's money and trying not force her to eat cat food during retirement)? well hedges can blow up the economy pretty easily while mutual funds are generally a lot more conservative, prop trading/hft shops have much shorter time horizons and will blow themselves up long before they can do serious damage barring if they knock out an exchange or two ala flash crash if I were a young guy starting all over again I'd work for a small established hedge fund as they have all the benefits of a startup without the drawbacks, e.g. it's a very dynamic environment with leading tech and hard problems but they also pay well and the equipment/facilities are world class
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Ridgely_Fan posted:ocaml my caml 
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a downside to working in funds these days is that you may end up having to revert to the tech equivalent of stone knives and bearskins in the pursuit of performance; it's all well and good to get a phd in machine learning using high level neurosymbolic processors or whatever but at the end of the day if you're using it for trading you'll end up implementing that bitch in C99 if you're lucky; horrors like fortran and asm are not unheard of and the trend is increasing although thankfully commercial gpu and fpga interfaces are mostly (all?) C-based at the moment
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it seems like a lot of the math that funds do is high-dimensional integrals that they have to use mcmc / gibbs / whatever sampling for, and it seems like that stuff would be pretty amenable to cuda but maybe that's way off base
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Internaut! posted:a downside to working in funds these days is that you may end up having to revert to the tech equivalent of stone knives and bearskins in the pursuit of performance; it's all well and good to get a phd in machine learning using high level neurosymbolic processors or whatever but at the end of the day if you're using it for trading you'll end up implementing that bitch in C99 if you're lucky; horrors like fortran and asm are not unheard of and the trend is increasing although thankfully commercial gpu and fpga interfaces are mostly (all?) C-based at the moment what's up with this thing i hear where there's some freaky server based version of excel that gets used
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Rufo posted:*invents perl* my work here is done the lord's work, really
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Really cause I heard the bad thing about working in the financial sector as CS is horrible hours, constant strict deadlines and pressure, and the knowledge that if you gently caress up, you gently caress up a lot of things hard?
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Gogey posted:Really cause I heard the bad thing about working in the financial sector as CS is horrible hours, constant strict deadlines and pressure, and the knowledge that if you gently caress up, you gently caress up a lot of things hard? this is true a lot of places, financial and otherwise
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