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You can all shut up because my phone is still on Froyo and will never be updated.  (And was released after the Droid 4.)
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May 25, 2012 17:50
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Can't we all just get along and bitch about draconian data caps like we did in the days of yore?
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May 25, 2012 19:06
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traveling midget posted:Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up settle down beavis.
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May 25, 2012 20:49
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Some good Android info in there. Now...back to Verizon!
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My town of less than 20,000 people in western North Dakota got lit up with 4g a week ago. I was shocked and still am but I'm loving it so far. Battery life on my Bionic has been better than expected. Previously I had to drive 3+ hours to find the closest area that has 4g.
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wandler20 posted:My town of less than 20,000 people in western North Dakota got lit up with 4g a week ago. I was shocked and still am but I'm loving it so far. Battery life on my Bionic has been better than expected. Previously I had to drive 3+ hours to find the closest area that has 4g. Don't know where you are in ND but some parts of it is the fastest growing part of the country right now believe it or not due to oil. It's good that Verizon just went ahead and got ahead of it. With my past experiences with AT&T they will probably just admit that they underestimated demand, but won't bump up their target date of an upgrade.
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Ryokurin posted:Don't know where you are in ND but some parts of it is the fastest growing part of the country right now believe it or not due to oil. It's good that Verizon just went ahead and got ahead of it. With my past experiences with AT&T they will probably just admit that they underestimated demand, but won't bump up their target date of an upgrade. Yeah, they specifically said in the press release they did it due to the oil activity.
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And, with our latest launch, we hit 66%+ 4G LTE coverage of the US population. I can't believe Verizon is going to hit, and possibly even beat, the target of total penetration *giggity8 by Q1-2013. Before working for VZW, I worked for AT&T Mobility, who seemed to take quite a lackadaisical attitude to their 3G rollout. I live in NW Ohio, a medium-to-low populated area, and both VZW and Sprint got EVDO upgrades wayyy before AT&T even considered launching UMTS/HSPA in us smaller markets. Whenever we inquired about when we'd get 3G, it was always "Yeah, yeah. We'll get to you when we get to you." as if their 100,000 subscribers in the Toledo area were waiting in line at the DMV. Verizon Wireless, on the other hand, made it a huge deal for us. Something to be excited about. From the very beginning, our district had a "possible" launch window. And as time went on, the window became smaller and smaller, and surprisingly, moved sooner and sooner. We were originally expected to launch LTE sometime in Sept '11. The true date became June 21, 2011 (IIRC). Verizon even hosted a special training-slash-breakfast to for everyone in our area to celebrate and educate us on the launch. When AT&T launched 3G, we got an email.  The whole thing just shows how much of a better culture, from my perspective at least, Verizon is than AT&T was. AT&T always seemed to carry that big bell attitude of "you use us because you need us;" Verizon, however, seems to carry the attitude of "you use us because you want us." I'm not going to get all sappy, but as much as Verizon can be a loving pain in the rear end to work for, it's the first place I've worked for that has had such a positive and rewarding culture.
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SpacedOut posted:And, with our latest launch, we hit 66%+ 4G LTE coverage of the US population. Is there a way to see when they might be turning on 4g in a specific area (Maricopa, AZ for example)? The last that I heard from Verizon late last year was that they were going to enable it in Q1 this year. Customer Service doesn't have any details or who I could send an email to to ask.
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I predict that Pueblo, Colorado will be one of the last places to get 4G LTE. Heck, it was just in the last month or so that AT&T extended its 4G coverage into Pueblo.
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I noticed in Lihue (on Kauai in Hawaii) that my phone was jumping between 3G and 4G the other day. I called a buddy of mine and he said they are testing the towers. Can't wait, I thought Ocean Kansas would never get it.
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rockinricky posted:I predict that Pueblo, Colorado will be one of the last places to get 4G LTE. Heck, it was just in the last month or so that AT&T extended its 4G coverage into Pueblo. ATT has 4G coverage in Pueblo? They don't even have coverage at all in Manitou and surrounding areas, one would think that was a higher priority.
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Verizon's now doing this "Dads and Grads" sale, with $100 off any Motorola phone. I hoped that meant the Maxx would be temporarily $100, but it's still the $200 price it got dropped to a few weeks ago. I'm trying to convince my wife to upgrade with me, but she loves her old Incredible and refuses to upgrade if she actually has to pay for a phone. Since it's free for now, is the Droid Bionic a suitable replacement if she doesn't want to do anything fancy?
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:Verizon's now doing this "Dads and Grads" sale, with $100 off any Motorola phone. I hoped that meant the Maxx would be temporarily $100, but it's still the $200 price it got dropped to a few weeks ago. There's going to be an Incredible 4g successor coming to Verizon within the next month or two that will be right up her alley
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Jake Gittes posted:I noticed that Verizon is finally going to enable Global Roaming on the Droid Razr Maxx, Droid 4, HTZ Rezoud, and Droid Razr via a software update. Well instead of the Blackberry Tour, I got a Blackberry 8830. That's even worse than the HTC Imagio... Is there any trick to getting these Verizon folks to ship me a loaner phone that was manufactured within the past 4 years? I may just knuckle under and and buy an unlocked Samsung Galaxy Mini.
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May 29, 2012 15:19
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I decided to send my broken screen Razr to Motorola today to get fixed. $170 for a screen replacement which isn't so bad. Once it gets updated to ICS, I may switch over to it as my daily driver and shelve the Galaxy Nexus for awhile. Radios, call quality, and speaker are just so much better on the Razr and the videos of the ICS update looks like it's 98% stock ICS aside from some icon changes and lock screen enhancements. Ultimately, I may sell them both and buy a Droid Fighter/Razr HD outright when it comes out if it lives up to what the leaked specs have been saying about it. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 17:03 on May 29, 2012 |
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AppleCobbler posted:There's going to be an Incredible 4g successor coming to Verizon within the next month or two that will be right up her alley She's in a mindset of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it, because that'd cost money." So she's pretty determined to keep the Incredible, bar something good and free coming along. So the Droid Bionic seems like the right choice. I got her phone with a BOGO deal last time (I bought a Fascinate, and she got to choose whatever she wanted). I'd wait and watch for another deal like that to come along, but my Fascinate's vibrate function has been dead for over a month (and it's been a frustrating phone in general) so I'm upgrading as soon as I get paid. I'd been debating between the Razr Maxx and the Galaxy Nexus for myself. As cool as the Nexus is, I want a phone that will still be functional if I'm too lazy to root. So I'll probably end up going with the Razr Maxx.
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Sulphuric Sundae posted:Verizon's now doing this "Dads and Grads" sale, with $100 off any Motorola phone. I hoped that meant the Maxx would be temporarily $100, but it's still the $200 price it got dropped to a few weeks ago. If she likes her Incredible, she is going to hate the Bionic. Rhyme would be the closest thing, but its only 3G, but then she might not give a crap. Incredible 4G is coming mid june.
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The Bionic has an RGBW Pentile screen, be sure she tries it and won't hate it before signing anything. Edit: what we're saying is wait until the Incredible 4G is free.
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bull3964 posted:Ultimately, I may sell them both and buy a Droid Fighter/Razr HD outright when it comes out if it lives up to what the leaked specs have been saying about it.
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May 29, 2012 20:08
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Mighty Horse posted:If she likes her Incredible, she is going to hate the Bionic. Rhyme would be the closest thing, but its only 3G, but then she might not give a crap. Rastor posted:The Bionic has an RGBW Pentile screen, be sure she tries it and won't hate it before signing anything. Cool. This is what I needed to know. Thanks! I'll have her try it, but I'm sure half of what she likes is all HTC-specific apps and whatnot too.
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Trying to figure out if I want the Razr Maxx or want to wait for the price to fall before I upgrade or see if something even shinier comes out. Samsung Android phones give me the willies from my days working at AT&T so I think I might pass on the Nexus. I'm currently using a Droid X and is there some mumbo-jumbo with 4G that'll let me keep unlimited data? I wouldn't be TOO hurt if I had to lose it but of course I'd like to hang onto it for dear life if that's an option. My data use is strange, sometimes I'll stream music for days and other months I'm hard pressed to break 1 gig of data usage.
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Right now, you can upgrade to 4G without losing unlimited. There's no real hoops you have to jump through other than making sure the person that performs the upgrade doesn't screw up and change your plan. Verizon has two notable phones on the horizon, the Incredible 4G and the Droid Razr HD (may be branded Droid Fighter.) Both of these phones are running the new Qualcomm S4 processor which has integrated LTE, so LTE battery life should be quite a bit better based on HTC One X testing that Anandtech did. The Incredible 4G is going to be a qHD device with capacitance buttons. The Droid Razr HD is going to be a 720p (possible non-pentile if the HD screens being used in China are any indication) with on-screen buttons and is rumored at this point to have the MAXX's larger 3300mAh battery and a much improved camera. Both launch with ICS. Personally, right now, I would wait for these two phones to come out while keeping my ear to the ground about Verizon changing dataplans. Eventually they are going to take away grandfathered data on an upgrade, but they promised to give fair warning first.
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FINALLY, IMM76K is approved for rollout. http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/29/galaxy-nexus-update-imm76k-approved-by-verizon-and-ready-to-rollout-no-this-is-not-a-joke/
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bull3964 posted:FINALLY, IMM76K is approved for rollout. Sweet, looks like I have to revert from the leaked 4.04 build though. Glad they finally got off their assess though.
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Jake Gittes posted:Well instead of the Blackberry Tour, I got a Blackberry 8830. That's even worse than the HTC Imagio... Seems like no one cares about this but me, but I figured I'd post the resolution in case someone runs into a similar problem. Answer: gently caress the national Verizon Global folks, escalate the issue with local customer service. They'll find something local for you.
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bull3964 posted:Right now, you can upgrade to 4G without losing unlimited. There's no real hoops you have to jump through other than making sure the person that performs the upgrade doesn't screw up and change your plan. I'm not sure if this is known yet or not, but if I have a 4g phone right now, and the iPhone 5 ends up having 4g, can I get the iPhone 5 and not lose 4g?
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Hamburglar posted:I'm not sure if this is known yet or not, but if I have a 4g phone right now, and the iPhone 5 ends up having 4g, can I get the iPhone 5 and not lose 4g? Maybe. We don't know yet. In all likelihood you will have to buy it at full retail. They've mentioned already that if they do put the changes into effect, they will only force you on to a new plan if you buy a subsidized phone. If you buy your phones full retail, you may be able to sidestep it. Essentially, you can view it as increasing the cost of your plan by $15 /month ($300 typical subsidy divided by the 20 months between subsidized upgrades.)
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bull3964 posted:Maybe. We don't know yet. In all likelihood you will have to buy it at full retail. They've mentioned already that if they do put the changes into effect, they will only force you on to a new plan if you buy a subsidized phone. If you buy your phones full retail, you may be able to sidestep it. That....sucks. What's funny though is that Verizon would then be giving incentive not to sign a contract with them. I remember when before smart phones I feverishly stuck with my old-rear end Nokia. They would call me regularly, practically begging me to sign a contract (offering things like discount on my bill, free minutes, etc. if I signed). I guess it will be back to those days, then.
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bull3964 posted:Essentially, you can view it as increasing the cost of your plan by $15 /month ($300 typical subsidy divided by the 20 months between subsidized upgrades.) If you buy a new device at retail instead of renew a contract, you are down $300 at day one because you paid full price. Every month you are off contract but not on a discounted phone, you are throwing away $15 in subsidy. That would be the same whether you kept the same phone or bought a new one at retail. So the following month you are down $315, and so on. Spread the $300 over 20 months, add in the subsidy you are leaving on the table, and you have $30/month. I am not double counting things here because buying a device full price preserves your upgrade -- if not for losing unlimited data you could buy a subsidized device, eBay it, and take that $15/month subsidy off the table. That just gives you back what you pay every month though and the $300 for a full price device is still sunk. So assuming the 4GB plan will still exist at the price of the unlimited plan now, it seems like unless you plan to go over 7GB/month (racking up $30 in overages) you are worse off by buying a phone outright. This is a brilliant backdoor way to get you to pay more for the same amount of data. kitten smoothie fucked around with this message at 19:52 on May 30, 2012 |
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I'm willing to bet that if the new iPhone has LTE, Verizon will cut their unlimited data upgrades off the day before it comes out to maximize profits.
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kitten smoothie posted:Assuming you are buying a phone every 20 months just the same, it is really an increase of $30/month, because not only are you giving up a subsidy, but you are paying for a device. Scenario 1: You pay $200 for a subsidized phone and sign a contract for 20 months. You pay $X per month for service. Scenario 2: You pay $600 for an unsubsidized phone and do not sign a contract.You pay $X per month for service. $400 over 20 months works out to $20/month, but you pay it up front. For both of these scenarios you pay the same amount per month and you get a new phone.
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kitten smoothie posted:Assuming you are buying a phone every 20 months just the same, it is really an increase of $30/month, because not only are you giving up a subsidy, but you are paying for a device. True enough, but as Doctor rear end in a top hat points out above, my only real net change in cost to myself is the difference between subsidized price and unsubsidized price as I don't have a choice in the service price. quote:So assuming the 4GB plan will still exist at the price of the unlimited plan now, it seems like unless you plan to go over 7GB/month (racking up $30 in overages) you are worse off by buying a phone outright. This is a brilliant backdoor way to get you to pay more for the same amount of data. That's also assuming that 4GB remains the new standard and they don't revert to 2GB. Right now, 4GB is still "limited time only." I have a suspicion that 4GB is going to be the entry point for family share plan and individual accounts are going to be stuck at 2GB. Under that situation, 5gb is the limit with $30 in overage and honestly that's not a ton of data. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 30, 2012 |
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:This looks like crazy person math. "Giving up a subsidy" and "paying for a device" are the same thing. In scenario 1, you "borrowed" money (aka the subsidy) and you are paying it back over the life of the contract. Some portion of your bill, $15-$20 of it, goes toward paying that off. In scenario 2, you paid $300-$400 more for the device up front since you did not sign a contract. However, you also pay the same amount per month. You are still paying the same monthly bill as though you were paying off a subsidy, but in this scenario, you have no subsidy to pay off. That additional cash goes into Verizon's pocket as profit rather than coming to you in the form of a phone discount. You could let that money work for you by burning the upgrade, buying a subsidized device, and flipping it. Then you are paying the same amount every month, but you get that $15-$20 back because you cashed out the subsidy. But that kills your unlimited data. kitten smoothie fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 30, 2012 |
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It's irrelevant. The net cost to the end user is simply the difference between the subsidized phone and the unsubsidized phone. So, it would only take $300 or so in overages over a 20 month period to be worse off going with the subsidized phone at a limited data tier over keeping the unlimited. $300 is only $15 a month over 20 months so you can really only afford 1gb of overage if you want to come out ahead switching to a capped plan.
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kitten smoothie posted:The key is what I bolded. In each scenario you pay the same amount per month, but if you don't take a subsidy you're effectively paying twice. Assuming $100 per month for service: Scenario 1: You pay $200 for a subsidized device under the condition of a 20 month contract. Total cost: $2200. Scenario 2: You pay $600 for an unsubsidized device with no conditions. You stay with Verizon for 20 months without having a contract. Total cost: $2600.
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bull3964 posted:It's irrelevant. The net cost to the end user is simply the difference between the subsidized phone and the unsubsidized phone. So, it would only take $300 or so in overages over a 20 month period to be worse off going with the subsidized phone at a limited data tier over keeping the unlimited. The net cost is the same, but you're getting an extra $400 in value by taking a subsidy. Basically, you're paying the extra $400 for the phone, and giving verizon an extra $20 per month. Its less that you are spending more than that you are costing verizon more. EDIT: ^^ That's also true.
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But it all comes down to how much data you use. If you use more than 5gb a month, you are better off (under the current pricing scheme) eating that $400 and keeping your unlimited because you're just going to spend an extra $400 in overages over 20 months.
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You're right. I apologize for the diversion and will return us to the discussion about how Samsung is a horrible company: The LTE Galaxy Nexus dock appears to be finally available for purchase -- for the princely sum of $89.99. And this is just for the hunk of plastic with the pins, because a power supply is not included. You've still got to come up with your own. http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-D1F8BEBSTD
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