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ExecuDork posted:Also, tires. My current tires are all-seasons apparently designed for endurance on long smooth highways, hence they have no grip and I'm probably melting them all over the parking lot. When they inevitably fail, I'll be looking for something that I suspect might be impossible. Star spec or S.Drive.
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Star Specs are definitely not all weather tires.  I can't suggest an all-season tire from experience. Hankook apparently makes a few all-season Ventuses though. I took a Hankook low-rolling-resistance "fuel max" tire out on autocross a few times and it basically just screams the entire time while making sad looking grease spots on the tarmac. My OEM RE92s fared a little better but also gave up pretty early into the day. edit: Whoops, saw "all-season" and forgot you actually do have separate winter tires. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 14:13 on May 30, 2012 |
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May 30, 2012 14:08
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I drove 20 miles or so through fresh snow on Azenis 615s and somehow didn't die. In fact I'm kind of proud of myself for making it up a long incline by slowly building speed before I got to the peak (the tires still slipped some so it's good I wasn't going any slower) and then managing to go down a longish twisty decline in first gear without dying. It's a mixture of horror and pride when I think back to that day 
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May 30, 2012 14:32
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S.drives are terrible. Get Star Specs.
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May 30, 2012 15:01
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Phone posted:S.drives are terrible. Get Star Specs. The S.Drives aren't bad for street tires and work well in all conditions, but they're very average. Autocross highlights all of their faults pretty goddamn well and you'll find yourself held back by the tires a lot if you can drive at all. DZ101s are a better autox tire from what I've seen.
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May 30, 2012 19:45
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Oh yeah, definitely. In an autocross situation, they're way too floppy and don't communicate at all. However, I would prefer S.drives on my car versus Linglongs and whatever else passes for a "budget" tire on the road. That said, I have been impressed with the Star Specs as an overall good performance tire. It isn't the fastest in any one category, but it's competent throughout all driving conditions that aren't 40F or lower. E.g.: I know that there's a Continental tire that is fantastic in the wet, the Star Specs do pretty well (even when mounted the wrong way  ), and the Falken Azenis are downright terrifying.
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May 30, 2012 20:07
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Phone posted:Falken Azenis are downright terrifying. Huh. I excelled in the rain with my Azenis. I can't wait to see what these Star Specs can do in the rain.
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May 30, 2012 20:11
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S.Drives are a good balance, but don't excel in any one particular area, which sort of fits the bill, since each ExecuDork wants balance between many different conflicting areas. I'd recommend Falken 512s, except they tend to get chewed up in Autox
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May 30, 2012 21:51
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The video I posted earlier was on Falken 512s. I found them fairly loose on the Miata.
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May 30, 2012 21:59
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Brigdh posted:S.Drives are a good balance, but don't excel in any one particular area, which sort of fits the bill, since each ExecuDork wants balance between many different conflicting areas. I'd recommend Falken 512s, except they tend to get chewed up in Autox What about Hankook V12 Ventus? I've only seen one car with them but they were faster than my S.drives in the wet and also felt like they had better handling characteristics.
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May 30, 2012 22:53
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Muffinpox posted:What about Hankook V12 Ventus? I've only seen one car with them but they were faster than my S.drives in the wet and also felt like they had better handling characteristics. Never tried em, nor do I know of anyone who has. Sorry
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May 30, 2012 22:54
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Brigdh posted:S.Drives are a good balance, but don't excel in any one particular area, which sort of fits the bill, since each ExecuDork wants balance between many different conflicting areas. I'd recommend Falken 512s, except they tend to get chewed up in Autox Muffinpox posted:What about Hankook V12 Ventus? I've only seen one car with them but they were faster than my S.drives in the wet and also felt like they had better handling characteristics. If I had the space (and money) I'd get R-compounds of some kind for auto-x use and run boring tires for my day-to-day foolishness. But no room and not really a budget for that. Tirerack is saying about $400 for 4 of either the S.drives or the V12 Ventus, plus about $135 in shipping (I'm in Canada, the cold flat bit in the middle). Not bad. The Star Specs are more, about $550 (plus shipping) for the set of 4.
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May 31, 2012 02:11
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Sometimes it's worth it buying local when you are talking about: + $135 shipping + ~$60 mount and balance + tax And then you have a warranty locally for issues.
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May 31, 2012 02:26
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I order my tires from Tire Rack and have them shipped to the Montana Shipping Outlet warehouse to hold them until I can boogie down to the border and bring them across. It's not that bad of a drive from Southern Alberta and it saves a lot of money even after the gas & time (especially considering UPS charges bullshit brokerage fees). While I'm there I also get to read Ronald Reagan quotes and check out posters about how great Montana is. Not sure if there's a similar service along your border but I wouldn't be surprised. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 02:35 on May 31, 2012 |
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May 31, 2012 02:28
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYBCdz4qCE&feature=plcp My 2nd fastest run from Saturday, anyone have any tips from the video?
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May 31, 2012 02:45
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I order my tires from Tire Rack and have them shipped to the Montana Shipping Outlet warehouse to hold them until I can boogie down to the border and bring them across. It's not that bad of a drive from Southern Alberta and it saves a lot of money even after the gas & time (especially considering UPS charges bullshit brokerage fees). While I'm there I also get to read Ronald Reagan quotes and check out posters about how great Montana is. Even if you aren't near the border, tirerack is almost always cheaper with shipping + duty, which they tell you up front. My star specs were ~1350 from tirerack as opposed to 1450 from tiretrends or 1500 from 1010tires. I actually just put ventus V12s on my e36, I have one trackday on them and a bit of highway miles. They seem like decent jack of all trades tires. Highway noise is minimal and ride seems good. Track day was hard to judge as they literally had 50km on them when I got there. They didn't seem to mind being pushed but I wouldn't say they are spectacular.
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May 31, 2012 02:55
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TrueChaos posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiYBCdz4qCE&feature=plcp The only way there should be that much room between you and an apex cone is if you're dancing with it during the high school prom.
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May 31, 2012 02:56
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Crustashio posted:Even if you aren't near the border, tirerack is almost always cheaper with shipping + duty, which they tell you up front. My star specs were ~1350 from tirerack as opposed to 1450 from tiretrends or 1500 from 1010tires. It's great to hear your experiences with the Ventus, Crustashio, especially considering how similar our cars are.
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May 31, 2012 03:30
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=115-w-ObNvM I decided to get creative with my face shield.
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May 31, 2012 03:55
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Star Specs are definitely not all weather tires. Khumo V710's. The best all weather tires.*  *for Phoenix
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May 31, 2012 04:06
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The Locator posted:Khumo V710's. The best all weather tires.* A couple ST* guys here in Colorado run Star Specs year round, but if v710s are anything like Hoosier A6s, standing water will kill you.
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Muffinpox posted:The only way there should be that much room between you and an apex cone is if you're dancing with it during the high school prom.  which ones specifically?
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May 31, 2012 15:56
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TrueChaos posted:
It's a bit hard to tell from your onboard cam being on one side since a lot of which cone to stay tight on is dependent on the next cones coming up and I can't see the right side of your car. Pretty much in any corner there is one cone that will be the last one that affects your turn so you want to make that the cone you get tight in on. You also want to be looking a good corner or two ahead all the time. You need to be closer to the cone at 7 seconds, 17 seconds (looks like you can run wider at the exit too), 21 seconds, and 23 seconds. The cone at 33 seconds looks like it is the one you want to be tight on and then run wider off the cone at 36 seconds to the next one. At 42 seconds it looks like you should be apexing on that cone and turning right almost immediately after crossing it. Muffinpox fucked around with this message at 16:27 on May 31, 2012 |
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May 31, 2012 16:16
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It also sounds like you do a ton of coasting.
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May 31, 2012 17:58
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Phone posted:Oh yeah, definitely. In an autocross situation, they're way too floppy and don't communicate at all. However, I would prefer S.drives on my car versus Linglongs and whatever else passes for a "budget" tire on the road. Continental ExtremeContact DWS.
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May 31, 2012 18:06
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Muffinpox posted:It's a bit hard to tell from your onboard cam being on one side since a lot of which cone to stay tight on is dependent on the next cones coming up and I can't see the right side of your car. Pretty much in any corner there is one cone that will be the last one that affects your turn so you want to make that the cone you get tight in on. You also want to be looking a good corner or two ahead all the time. Thanks for the breakdown - I see a bit more what you mean now. I know I was definitely focusing on clean runs that day, as we only got 4 runs in our own car and 1 in the fr-s, but I need to be closer. FatCow posted:It also sounds like you do a ton of coasting. Definitely more than I should, I'm attempting to grow my balls as well as get used to the difference in the grip I have available with the star specs compared to 9 year old Chinese all seasons that would snap oversteer at the hint of anything aggressive.
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Brigdh posted:A couple ST* guys here in Colorado run Star Specs year round, but if v710s are anything like Hoosier A6s, standing water will kill you. I'll just state for the record that I was joking, since V710s (which are very much like A6's) wouldn't last very long doing daily driving. In other news, we don't see much standing water in Phoenix, so Star Spec's or RS3's are just fine for daily drivers if you don't mind replacing tires fairly often.
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Mustang owners of America UNITE! Going to my first Autocross this weekend so I thought I should come up with a clever slogan to put on the side of my car. I also wonder how the stock tires will hold up to the stress...
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Rabble posted:Mustang owners of America UNITE! Pressure the poo poo out of them and prepare for a howling good time. Also, expect a bit of understeer on initial turn in as most stock street tires aren't ready for the kind of maneuvers you'll be doing.
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Sockington posted:Pressure the poo poo out of them and prepare for a howling good time. Also, expect a bit of understeer on initial turn in as most stock street tires aren't ready for the kind of maneuvers you'll be doing.  Fun times were had by all. The stock tires weren't that bad. edit: but I sure did make them scream. Didn't turn off traction control because it was my first time and i could feel it kicking in on my last run (where I went balls to the wall). The car on stock street suspension may not have been as communicative as I would have liked, but the tires definitely told you when they were about to go. Rabble fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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Had a great day today up in Ottawa, first time AutoX'ing in the pouring rain. Tonnes of fun, learned a lot, and things started clicking near the end of the day. Things I learned: 1) Don't fight the car. 2) Don't fight the car means when it starts to push, don't crank the wheel even more, idiot. If you straighten up slightly and give it a touch of gas it'll grab and the back will rotate around nicely. 3) I'm amazed by the amount of grip start specs have in the wet. 4) It's entirely possible to drive home in the pouring rain with the top down and not get wet.
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Things I learned today: 1) A brabus smart car with Rcomps should not be allowed anywhere near autoX. Dude nearly rolled it on the long sweeper where I was working. At least 6" off the ground on the inside. 2) It is possible for someone to enter the stop box completely backwards, not destroy the timing equipment or hit any cones inside the box. Also got my first autoX experience with the Ventus V12s today. Overall I found them kind of numb - hard to tell when I was pushing too hard. I did play with the pressures a bit, and found that the fronts needed to be ~2psi lower than the rears to get rid of understeer. That will probably be my last time with the E36, I get star specs for my e46 this week. Crustashio fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jun 4, 2012 |
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I had a good day autocrossing today too. Got 3rd raw time overall and 2nd for pax overall. There were only about 25-30 people out and we got 9 runs in. Lots of good driving going on. 3rd, 4th and 5th place raw times were all within .02 of each other. Rained in the morning but dried up quickly and turned into a decent cloudy day. My e36 M3 (on star specs) did good today, although the front suspension is dying. Gotta get under there and look tomorrow to see what's up.
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Crustashio posted:Things I learned today: If this was an SCCA event, that car should not have been allowed to run at all. The Smart has a Static Stability Rating of 1.16, which is WAY below the minimum 1.30 allowed in SCCA rules.
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Jun 4, 2012 08:05
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Is there a page listing SSF (as it seems to abbreviate when I google) for most cars?
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The Locator posted:If this was an SCCA event, that car should not have been allowed to run at all. Canada. We switched to the scca rulebook here last year but I don't think all of the organizing clubs are really well versed in it yet. Yesterday they were telling us we can blow the rear stop box coned as those aren't a time penalty, but I always though overshooting the box was a DNF.
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I thought it was too.
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kimbo305 posted:Is there a page listing SSF (as it seems to abbreviate when I google) for most cars? Not that I've seen. The most comprehensive source is NHSTA, and they've moved away from straight SSF numbers Crustashio posted:Canada. We switched to the scca rulebook here last year but I don't think all of the organizing clubs are really well versed in it yet. Yesterday they were telling us we can blow the rear stop box coned as those aren't a time penalty, but I always though overshooting the box was a DNF. Any cone anywhere (hell even in grid) is a penalty. Going out of the stop box and not reentering where you left is a DNF, although most corner captains I know won't call it in because the 7+ cone penalty you got in the process will already kill the run.
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The group in Toronto does a 2sec penalty for stop box cones, but if you hit the last cone in the box it's a DNF. Ottawa club does a slow down box rather than a stop box, but so much as nudge any of the stop box cones and it's a DNF. I prefer this way honestly.
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Yeah, the stop box has always been "DO NOT TOUCH THESE CONES UNDER PAIN OF DEATH" to me, in an effort to keep people from overdriving to get into it.
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